Israel Sets Its Sight on the Moon

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CommanderFrank

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Well the one thing you can say about Israel without fear of being contradicted, is that for being such a small nation, it sure does have an overabundance of Chutzpah. :D Israel says it's going to the Moon. :cool:

"A great bunch of students are doing a good job to try and see if Israel can be the fourth country in the world to land on the moon”.
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They've finally agreed upon a location for the Palestinian state.
 
They have announced they will be paving the west bank to turn it into a launch pad.
 
Was trying to figure out where they got 3 countries to land on the moon till I realized they were talking about soft unmanned landings.

Guess they don't want to take the crash into the ground approach a few others have taken to get unmanned crafts on the moon.
 
They have enough money that such a small state can afford a space program, and yet the American tax payer gives more annually to Israel than the entire rest of the foreign aid budget combined... foreign aid that is meant to go to impoverished countries to help them in time of hardship, that for some reason is constantly diverted to Israel, an industrialized nation that has per capita income on par with European nations.
To date, the United States has provided Israel $115 billion in bilateral assistance.
http://journalistsresource.org/stud...eign-aid-to-israel-2012-congressional-report#
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Does Israel plan to build illegal settlements on the moon too? They'll claim their ancestors lived on it thousands of years ago so therefore the moon belongs to them.
 
5150Joker said:
Does Israel plan to build illegal settlements on the moon too?
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boohoo cry some more.


I like that they're trying new things, maybe they'll get farther than the moon. Newer technologies and all that, would be better for all of us.
 
Ducman69 said:
They have enough money that such a small state can afford a space program, and yet the American tax payer gives more annually to Israel than the entire rest of the foreign aid budget combined... foreign aid that is meant to go to impoverished countries to help them in time of hardship, that for some reason is constantly diverted to Israel, an industrialized nation that has per capita income on par with European nations.
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And there is a reason why the tinfoil hats believe in so many conspiracies involving them...
 
5150Joker said:
Does Israel plan to build illegal settlements on the moon too? They'll claim their ancestors lived on it thousands of years ago so therefore the moon belongs to them.
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Nah, like they did with Israel, they will just buy all the land on the moon.
 
Ducman69 said:
They have enough money that such a small state can afford a space program, and yet the American tax payer gives more annually to Israel than the entire rest of the foreign aid budget combined...
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Everyone's doing it man!

China, the world's second-largest economy, is still receiving millions of pounds in aid from Britain - despite having its own space programme.

The Government has been criticised after figures seen by the Daily Mail show the UK distributed £27.4 million to the country last year.

China recently celebrated successfully landing a space probe on the moon.
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Ducman69 said:
They have enough money that such a small state can afford a space program, and yet the American tax payer gives more annually to Israel than the entire rest of the foreign aid budget combined... foreign aid that is meant to go to impoverished countries to help them in time of hardship, that for some reason is constantly diverted to Israel, an industrialized nation that has per capita income on par with European nations.
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Not really caring about stopping the 'Israel' hating (of course its Israel hating and not hating say... Jews)
but that is BS you wrote there

1) Israel is getting this money (around 3$billion annually ) to purchase things in the US , not to do as it wishes (and nearly exclusively used to purchase military hardware)
2) It was part of the peace agreement with Egypt and they also receive a nice sum themselves (around 2$ billion annually)
3) The united states is not a philanthropic endeavor out to feed the poor , anything and everything in the US foreign policy is done in its own interest (rightly so imo)
4) even if it was true that Israel was so industrialized , it still has to use so much of its budget for defense (reminder - Israeli population is around 8 million including 1.7 Arabs vs 22 Arabs states with 360 million + Iran with 80 million), so yeah, while peace agreements can be nice , Israel would rather not take that chance... (not to mention most of those countries are dictatorship of some kind and can have a rebellion with the new government not respecting any previous agreements), but lets not let the facts get in the way...

Just image how to region would look like if Israel could do anything it wanted and the US could not affect its decision making, thing like Iran`s nuclear program would already be out of existence , also Israel would be selling very advance weapons to countries that are a threat of the US (like China) and compete heavily with arms trade to friendly nations as well


and just FYI many in Israel don't like getting those 3$ billion a year in defense aid because they know it makes Israel just a pawn of the US in the region.
anyway, nothing is black or white and no one is a saint.

And back on topic - i'm not that impressed specifically by achieving unmanned lunar landing considering it was already done many decades ago and technology now is more advance than the late 50's.
it is cool none the less that it can be done as a university/small organization project now instead of a super-power`s focused national effort.
 
T_A said:
Not really caring about stopping the 'Israel' hating (of course its Israel hating and not hating say... Jews)
but that is BS you wrote there

1) Israel is getting this money (around 3$billion annually ) to purchase things in the US , not to do as it wishes (and nearly exclusively used to purchase military hardware)
2) It was part of the peace agreement with Egypt and they also receive a nice sum themselves (around 2$ billion annually)
3) The united states is not a philanthropic endeavor out to feed the poor , anything and everything in the US foreign policy is done in its own interest (rightly so imo)
4) even if it was true that Israel was so industrialized , it still has to use so much of its budget for defense (reminder - Israeli population is around 8 million including 1.7 Arabs vs 22 Arabs states with 360 million + Iran with 80 million), so yeah, while peace agreements can be nice , Israel would rather not take that chance... (not to mention most of those countries are dictatorship of some kind and can have a rebellion with the new government not respecting any previous agreements), but lets not let the facts get in the way...

Just image how to region would look like if Israel could do anything it wanted and the US could not affect its decision making, thing like Iran`s nuclear program would already be out of existence , also Israel would be selling very advance weapons to countries that are a threat of the US (like China) and compete heavily with arms trade to friendly nations as well


and just FYI many in Israel don't like getting those 3$ billion a year in defense aid because they know it makes Israel just a pawn of the US in the region.
anyway, nothing is black or white and no one is a saint.

And back on topic - i'm not that impressed specifically by achieving unmanned lunar landing considering it was already done many decades ago and technology now is more advance than the late 50's.
it is cool none the less that it can be done as a university/small organization project now instead of a super-power`s focused national effort.
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The US shouldn't be giving taxpayer's money to any country.

Israel has given US technology to rivals of the US. Here is one such example:

http://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china/
 
Good for them! At least the Palestinians will get to see what progress looks like as the watch it fly into space.
 
T_A said:
Not really caring about stopping the 'Israel' hating (of course its Israel hating and not hating say... Jews)
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And this is the problem, if anyone even QUESTIONS why Isreal receives more of the foreign aid budget than all other recipients from the United States combined, its antisemitism.

http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost.html
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and just FYI many in Israel don't like getting those 3$ billion a year
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I'm sure there are protests in the street... can't find any evidence of it, and the polls don't support it, but I'll take your word for it. Just for shits and giggles, name two DC lobbies that are more powerful than AIPAC alone (only part of the Israel lobby strength) with regard to foreign policy. *starts jeopardy music* Bzzz, times up.

But you're right, you're right, anyone that asks why Israel is deciding our foreign policy in the middle-east (priming us for another war now with Iran) or asks why we give so much aid (or any AT ALL) to Israel versus say Spain, especially with their economy booming and having to repeatedly block sales of the US's most advanced technology that Israel just can't resist for a quick buck, is basically Hitler.

BTW, can you estimate for us how many Israeli soldiers have died for the US in Afghanistan and Iraq theaters, considering the lobby efforts into stoking the US into action, and fact that even 9/11 was declared by the perpetrators as being a political statement regarding the US support of Israel; Nov 2002 "Letter to America"? Meh, I'll save you a google search... ZERO.
 
People fail to remember that after WWII they had no where to go and Britain, Franc, and the US agreed to send them there... In 1949 Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Palestine attacked Israel and tried to take the land. Israel said never again and they have been in conflict ever since then... So saying Israel started this whole thing is false.
 
Ducman69 said:
And this is the problem, if anyone even QUESTIONS why Isreal receives more of the foreign aid budget than all other recipients from the United States combined, its antisemitism.

http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost.html

I'm sure there are protests in the street... can't find any evidence of it, and the polls don't support it, but I'll take your word for it. Just for shits and giggles, name two DC lobbies that are more powerful than AIPAC alone (only part of the Israel lobby strength) with regard to foreign policy. *starts jeopardy music* Bzzz, times up.

But you're right, you're right, anyone that asks why Israel is deciding our foreign policy in the middle-east (priming us for another war now with Iran) or asks why we give so much aid (or any AT ALL) to Israel versus say Spain, especially with their economy booming and having to repeatedly block sales of the US's most advanced technology that Israel just can't resist for a quick buck, is basically Hitler.

BTW, can you estimate for us how many Israeli soldiers have died for the US in Afghanistan and Iraq theaters, considering the lobby efforts into stoking the US into action, and fact that even 9/11 was declared by the perpetrators as being a political statement regarding the US support of Israel; Nov 2002 "Letter to America"? Meh, I'll save you a google search... ZERO.
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I think Iran is doing a pretty good job of priming us up for a war all on their own.
 
T_A said:
Not really caring about stopping the 'Israel' hating (of course its Israel hating and not hating say... Jews)
but that is BS you wrote there

1) Israel is getting this money (around 3$billion annually ) to purchase things in the US , not to do as it wishes (and nearly exclusively used to purchase military hardware)
2) It was part of the peace agreement with Egypt and they also receive a nice sum themselves (around 2$ billion annually)
3) The united states is not a philanthropic endeavor out to feed the poor , anything and everything in the US foreign policy is done in its own interest (rightly so imo)
4) even if it was true that Israel was so industrialized , it still has to use so much of its budget for defense (reminder - Israeli population is around 8 million including 1.7 Arabs vs 22 Arabs states with 360 million + Iran with 80 million), so yeah, while peace agreements can be nice , Israel would rather not take that chance... (not to mention most of those countries are dictatorship of some kind and can have a rebellion with the new government not respecting any previous agreements), but lets not let the facts get in the way...

Just image how to region would look like if Israel could do anything it wanted and the US could not affect its decision making, thing like Iran`s nuclear program would already be out of existence , also Israel would be selling very advance weapons to countries that are a threat of the US (like China) and compete heavily with arms trade to friendly nations as well


and just FYI many in Israel don't like getting those 3$ billion a year in defense aid because they know it makes Israel just a pawn of the US in the region.
anyway, nothing is black or white and no one is a saint.

And back on topic - i'm not that impressed specifically by achieving unmanned lunar landing considering it was already done many decades ago and technology now is more advance than the late 50's.
it is cool none the less that it can be done as a university/small organization project now instead of a super-power`s focused national effort.
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1) so its essentially just a big circle jerk where the Military Industrial Complex gets money from American taxpayers through a middleman

2) Paying people who hate each other to not fight one another only works as long as you keep paying them for ETERNITY. as soon as the money flow stops such as when we go broke or lose reserve currency status in the world things go berserk. Are you telling me the taxpayers of America should bear that burden in perpetuity

3) And what interest might that be? oil? we get most of our oil from Canada and mexico. So far the only interest being advanced is that of the crony capitalist and Israel. Not the interest of the common man in America. I am fine with America advancing its interest if the common man in America benefits from it, but so far it seems that the common man are getting screwed instead.

4) Israel has been doing a lot of offense lately and not defense. not to mention their behavior towards the Palestinians are pretty oppressive. They certainly aren't trying to make any friends or allies in the region and why should they, they got those big guns paid for by American taxpayers.

On one hand you say that Israel is helpless if they don't receive our help, but on the other you say that without our intervention they would go out of control and easily neutralize other hostile countries in the region by themselves. Make up your mind.

I guess the fact that we have been screwing Iran for a pretty long time now is not the reason for them trying to get a nuke right? no sir, they want a nuke because they are evillllll and hate your freedom.

if many in Israel didn't like the aid. they could vote and do something about it if they are a democracy as they claim to be.
 
T_A said:
Not really caring about stopping the 'Israel' hating (of course its Israel hating and not hating say... Jews)
but that is BS you wrote there

1) Israel is getting this money (around 3$billion annually ) to purchase things in the US , not to do as it wishes (and nearly exclusively used to purchase military hardware)
2) It was part of the peace agreement with Egypt and they also receive a nice sum themselves (around 2$ billion annually)
3) The united states is not a philanthropic endeavor out to feed the poor , anything and everything in the US foreign policy is done in its own interest (rightly so imo)
4) even if it was true that Israel was so industrialized , it still has to use so much of its budget for defense (reminder - Israeli population is around 8 million including 1.7 Arabs vs 22 Arabs states with 360 million + Iran with 80 million), so yeah, while peace agreements can be nice , Israel would rather not take that chance... (not to mention most of those countries are dictatorship of some kind and can have a rebellion with the new government not respecting any previous agreements), but lets not let the facts get in the way...

Just image how to region would look like if Israel could do anything it wanted and the US could not affect its decision making, thing like Iran`s nuclear program would already be out of existence , also Israel would be selling very advance weapons to countries that are a threat of the US (like China) and compete heavily with arms trade to friendly nations as well


and just FYI many in Israel don't like getting those 3$ billion a year in defense aid because they know it makes Israel just a pawn of the US in the region.
anyway, nothing is black or white and no one is a saint.

And back on topic - i'm not that impressed specifically by achieving unmanned lunar landing considering it was already done many decades ago and technology now is more advance than the late 50's.
it is cool none the less that it can be done as a university/small organization project now instead of a super-power`s focused national effort.
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I don't think you realize that Israel manufacturers and invents it's own military hardware... Take the Galil and Uzi for instance...
 
G1. Killer said:
I don't think you realize that Israel manufacturers and invents it's own military hardware... Take the Galil and Uzi for instance...
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They do Indeed, but there is a lot of technology transfer involved in the equation. Iron Dome, the very effective anti-artillery system Israel is using now, would not exist without bilateral tech transfers between the US and Israel. The US has expressed interest in the system, as well as Trophy, the Israeli tank mounted anti-ATGM/RPG system.


It's handy having a client state that exists in a perpetual state of war to test weapons systems.

It's been beat to death, but as much as I respect what Israel has accomplished, the Palestinians have gotten a shitty deal over the years. local Arab powers basically created the problem by attacking Israel, and after the assorted defeats displaced Arabs in the region, refused to allow them to settle in their territory even if they wanted to. It's been handy for the Arab powers for decades to have a ready source of eager young men to throw rocks and Molotov cocktails at Israeli soldiers. and now the Persians (Iran) want to try their hand at being a regional superpower with Hezbollah being the tool to keep things going in Israels back yard.

Israel is in the same position as the US as far as extremist Politics, any hint of compromise on the issue of the West bank settlements, Gaza and a Palestinian homeland is Political suicide.
 
Ducman69 said:
They have enough money that such a small state can afford a space program, and yet the American tax payer gives more annually to Israel than the entire rest of the foreign aid budget combined... foreign aid that is meant to go to impoverished countries to help them in time of hardship, that for some reason is constantly diverted to Israel, an industrialized nation that has per capita income on par with European nations.
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American foreign aid money also goes to countries that harbor some of the most America-hating groups in the world.

Funny how whenever we talk about how we spend too much money on foreign aid(and we do), it's only ever about Israel. Not any of those other countries that regularly work to kill our citizens or destabilize our nation. Just Israel, because fuck dose Joos, amirite?
 
Unexploded said:
Yeah, not sure why anyone would be whining about a little genocide. :rolleyes:
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I guess "genocide" means "better treatment by the Israeli government than Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc". Nobody ever wants to talk about how any of the other nations in the Middle East treat Palestinian refugees, or the fact that Israel gives them the most rights in the region.
 
Stiletto said:
American foreign aid money also goes to countries that harbor some of the most America-hating groups in the world.

Funny how whenever we talk about how we spend too much money on foreign aid(and we do), it's only ever about Israel. Not any of those other countries that regularly work to kill our citizens or destabilize our nation. Just Israel, because fuck dose Joos, amirite?
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Those other countries don't call us a friend, take our money (in which we get nothing in return for) and then stab us in the back. At least the Arabs make it clear they don't like us. They will do business with us because its mutually beneficial but the primary reason they don't like us is because of Israel.

Aside from attacking our ships at sea, selling our technology to the Chinese and routinuely spying on us what else has Isreal done for the US? Remember $11 billion in annual foreign aid (half of that is military aid so the Israelis can continue to oppress their neighbors) what exactly has that got the USA in 40 years except for grief?
 
G1. Killer said:
People fail to remember that after WWII they had no where to go and Britain, Franc, and the US agreed to send them there... In 1949 Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Palestine attacked Israel and tried to take the land. Israel said never again and they have been in conflict ever since then... So saying Israel started this whole thing is false.
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It goes back to ealier than this. The UK set up the situation post WWI. England often created local tensions deliberately to make it easier to rule. Look at South Africa's apartheid, The creation of Pakistan as a country split with India right in between, and even the Quebec/Canada tensions are a legacy of a situation England created.

Also many Middle East countries forced out Jews from their countries justified at the time because they had a place to go.
 
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