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Is this bad? *pic*

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Mycophiles

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This first pic is the top of my Intel chip still on the motherboard. There was black stuff on it I cleaned off with Rubbing Alcohol and and Q tips. The second pic is of the underside of the radiator deal that attatches to the chip. The black stuff on that was also taken off but you see indentations on it and I'm curious if it's from heat or just pressure from the fan clips that hold the fan/radiator in place on top of the chip.

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Before tearing apart the computer and putting it back togeather I was running at 38C for both the board and chip.

Now I'm running at 26C for the CPU and 23C for the board. :)

I'm suprized.
 
The second pic is of the underside of the radiator deal that attatches to the chip.
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lol....

That's a heatsink. ;) :cool:

And it looks like you left the thermal pad on, which is bad bad bad. Certainly you can use it, but it's not great for temps. The indent marks or burn marks are from the heat.
 
Originally posted by JackNapier
lol....

That's a heatsink. ;) :cool:

And it looks like you left the thermal pad on, which is bad bad bad. Certainly you can use it, but it's not great for temps. The indent marks or burn marks are from the heat.
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WAIT.. that think is sopposed to come OFF? It's still on there!!

Shit...

One quick question.. is it possible to damage your chip so that it doesn't work at the speeds it should, but still functions?
 
Yes, it's possible. But usually only through SNDS (Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome), which is caused by excessive voltage (over 1.7V on air cooling). My 1.8A exhibited this after pushing nearly 1.8V through it. It would lock up off and on, cause memory dumps, you name it. It just was on it's way out. I also had a "C" model have this happen. But just from using a thermal pad? No. Intel authorized it to be on that hs/f, so it's not going to ruin anything. It'll just cause temps to be much higher like I said. Scrape it off with a credit card or pick it off. They do come off. You'll see black gunk and it'll stain your fingers....but keep at it and use some isopropyl alchohol and it'll be good as new. Just try not to scratch the heatsink's center. Then apply some good thermal paste such as Arctic Silver 3, Ceramique, or 5.
 
since you've already cleaned up the black gunk on your CPU and HSF... the pad is not going to serve any purpose... i think you should remove it and apply some AS
 
I just put a huge load on it and the temp shot up to 37C. I think I'll put some of that ARtic Silver on it if it's not too expensive and def. remove that silver pad.

Where do you get AS and how much is it?
 
Yuo don't NEED to remove it...You can, but if you're sloppy you're more likely to scratch the heatsink and mess-up the contact with the processor. Just leave it on, and apply a good amount of thermal grease or Arctic Silver.
 
The thermal pad can stay on if you want, but if you are using thermal paste, you'll definitely want to remove it from the CPU and the heatsink.

You can get Arctic Silver at Newegg (there are other places, just too tired to name more) for $4 or so, but the shipping is outrageous.
 
Originally posted by Flipside
Just leave it on, and apply a good amount of thermal grease or Arctic Silver.
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Maybe i'm just reading it, but did you suggest to leave the thermal pad on AND use thermal grease?!? That's like rule #1, it's either the pad, or thermal grease/artic silver, NEVER both...
 
Originally posted by SB22
Maybe i'm just reading it, but did you suggest to leave the thermal pad on AND use thermal grease?!? That's like rule #1, it's either the pad, or thermal grease/artic silver, NEVER both...
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From what i've read it depends on how worn the pad is...If the pad is brand new, of course not, but when it's been "burned in", it's usually safe to clean of the excess pad off the proc and put on a little thermal grease....At least this is what I've found...

My processor runs a under 40 all the time and I've done this for quite some time.
 
pad should be used without any type of thermal paste.
i removed the heat pad from the retail sink and was going to fix it up nice and flat, then i decided against it and went and purchased another retail sink (a much bigger one, i think it was the one that retails with the 3.0 series) and it works fine. load is in high 40's, around 50 sometimes eventhough im pushing alot of cfm's through the case and the cpu is not overclocked. and thats the only reason i wont oc, because of the crappy thermal pad.

best thing to do is purchase an after market sink and use it with some AS (i have AS2, itll do the trick, not worth purchasing AS5 imo). a good sink ive heard is the zalman 7000a, which i should be purchasing soon (mmmmmm money).

edit: removing the thermal pad from the heatsink (except for changing it) voids your warranty according to intel. basically if you remove the thermal pad and use the sink still, warranty is voided. although i doubt they can find out if you did that, its just to scare nubs from doing stupid shit like frying their processor.
 
Well, when the pad is "burned in," it's usually pretty much nonexistant once you remove the heatsink from the processor, still though, i'd never recomend to anyone to put thermal grase over a pad, even after it's "burned in." Only takes a few seconds to clean everything up a little bit with rubbing alcohol :D
 
Originally posted by SB22
Well, when the pad is "burned in," it's usually pretty much nonexistant once you remove the heatsink from the processor, still though, i'd never recomend to anyone to put thermal grase over a pad, even after it's "burned in." Only takes a few seconds to clean everything up a little bit with rubbing alcohol :D
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Alright...We come to a consenus...:)

You'd been surprised how badly I scratched a heatpaded heatsink with a Q-tip and rubbing alcohol...I guess I was over enthusiatic that day. :)

I just run with a pad for a while...pop off the heatsink and then add my after market grease...easier and less stressful.
 
Personally I think the chip is going bad. I've done all updates/fixes I can think of and still the computer runs slow. I've switched out video cards and ram, flashed the bios, ran all firmwear and software updates for all hardware and still I get shit like this.

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The computer shuts off without warning every one in a great while and programs freeze up all the time.

I don't know how I could have ruined the chip. I put it in there the first day and havent touched it. I did make sure the fan worked when I put it in there and it's had adaquate (case)cooling fans for cooling.

I'm kinda pissed b/c when I bought this chip it was 350$ and I don't have enouph money for another one.
 
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