is the e4500 worth the extra 50 dollars vs e2160?

e4500 - mine is HOT! on asus p5k-vm in a ultra microfly case i run at 3.24 ghz w 1.58 vcore. Intel TAT is too hot. >80c! I must find a cooler to fit in my case. Lower speed to 3.0ghz and 1.50 vcore is still near 80c. The 4500 is unstable for me without the high vcore.

Anybody recommend a cooler that will fit the microfly without modifying it?
 
I'm running mine at 3.2ghz with a very minor voltage increase. I've gone up to 3.4ghz 12hr orthos stable but the stress on the processor by the necessary increase in voltage was not worth the minor performance increase to me.

Personally I think it's a good buy, but if you can get an M0 E4400 or E4300 you'd probably achieve similar results while saving some cash. The 11x multiplier could potentially save you some cash on a motherboard however, 272x11 will get you 3ghz and if that's enough for you, even low end motherboards should be able to reach that FSB.
 
stevenkabc said:
e4500 - mine is HOT! on asus p5k-vm in a ultra microfly case i run at 3.24 ghz w 1.58 vcore. Intel TAT is too hot. >80c! I must find a cooler to fit in my case. Lower speed to 3.0ghz and 1.55 ghz is still near 80c. The 4500 is unstable for me without the high vcore.

Anybody recommend a cooler that will fit the microfly without modifying it?
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Yours is hot because you're cooking it with all that voltage. Don't be surprised when it stops working one of these days.
 
Yours is hot because you're cooking it with all that voltage. Don't be surprised when it stops working one of these days.

Bout to say the same thing, cause mine is at 3.2 and never gets above 55c.

I love the 4500 cause it was a very simple overclock. the high multi allows you run ddr2 667 ram and still get over 3ghz. And like the other poster said, this can allow for a motherboard that doesn't have to run over 400mhz fsb.

I haven't had experience with the 4400 or 4300, but just like the other poster said, I am sure they are just as good or better for the price, I just like the fact that the 4500 was only like $20 higher and I don't have to stress it the extra 200-400mhz.
 
i have the 2160 oc to 3.0 333X9 wicked fast havent needed to push further(basically took 800fsb to 1333 fsb), and it was 80 bucks retail... the only draw back is the extra cache which i have yet to notice...
take the extra 50 bucks and put it twords a hsf *cooler master gemeni II is far at the egg), vid card upgrade, faster hdd, more ram, or better motherboard in my opinion if you are strapped for cash.
 
I bought my E4300 in March and its always ran warm even under water. It doesn't matter the voltage at all. I think they just run a lot warmer than their E6xxx counterparts.

I haven't used the E2xxx series at all so I can't tell you how to go about that. If you want to spend the extra money on something else and on a tight budget you have to do what you have to do.
 
TheGardenTool said:
I bought my E4300 in March and its always ran warm even under water. It doesn't matter the voltage at all. I think they just run a lot warmer than their E6xxx counterparts.
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The new M0 stepping comes with a much lower stock voltage. If I remember correctly, it's 1.2875 volts.
 
Either buy the E2160 or step up to E6750. Only get the E4500 if you 'already/plan to' have a setup that can't do 300+FSB.
 
nigerian_businessman said:
Yours is hot because you're cooking it with all that voltage. Don't be surprised when it stops working one of these days.
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What am I doing wrong? I crash if I don't push up the vcore.

Running FSB@293 = 3.24Ghz I must push Vcore to 1.58 to pass Orthos. Temps fall 75c-77c. TAT I shutdown within minutes as it hits 80c. Am I trying to get to much speed? Even @ 3.0Ghz vcore needs 1.50.

I'm running in a Microfly w/Ultra 400w PSU. Stock Intel Cooler w/Arctic Silver 5.

1) Is there a better CPU cooler that can fit my case (w/o moding)?
2) What's a reasonable FSB/Vcore setting?
 
stevenkabc said:
What am I doing wrong? I crash if I don't push up the vcore.

Running FSB@293 = 3.24Ghz I must push Vcore to 1.58 to pass Orthos. Temps fall 75c-77c. TAT I shutdown within minutes as it hits 80c. Am I trying to get to much speed? Even @ 3.0Ghz vcore needs 1.50.

I'm running in a Microfly w/Ultra 400w PSU. Stock Intel Cooler w/Arctic Silver 5.

1) Is there a better CPU cooler that can fit my case (w/o moding)?
2) What's a reasonable FSB/Vcore setting?

Thanks.
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You need better cooling. You shouldn't be running that processor over 60c. Software thermal monitoring is not an accurate way of measuring temperature on the die. You are definitely trying to get too much speed. The difference between 2.8ghz and 3.24 isn't worth frying your processor over, unless you've got money to burn.

Start at stock speeds and start increasing it until it becomes unstable or your load temps hit anything higher than 58c or so. If it becomes unstable before hitting those temps, then you raise voltage, a little tiny bit at a time and continue until it becomes unstable again.

The idea is to get as far as you can on as little voltage as possible. Yeah, you can run 1.5 volts through it, but the people who are doing that have invested in aftermarket cooling, and even then it's not necessarily a wise idea. You're running the maximum amount of voltage you should run through on -aftermarket- air using the stock cooler in a SFF case that has limited airflow. Did you try starting at the stock speed and voltage and working your way up gradually, or did you just shoot for an overclock and apply whatever voltage you needed to get there?
 
nigerian_businessman said:
Yours is hot because you're cooking it with all that voltage. Don't be surprised when it stops working one of these days.
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nigerian_businessman said:
You need better cooling. You shouldn't be running that processor over 60c. Software thermal monitoring is not an accurate way of measuring temperature on the die. You are definitely trying to get too much speed. The difference between 2.8ghz and 3.24 isn't worth frying your processor over, unless you've got money to burn.

Start at stock speeds and start increasing it until it becomes unstable or your load temps hit anything higher than 58c or so. If it becomes unstable before hitting those temps, then you raise voltage, a little tiny bit at a time and continue until it becomes unstable again.

The idea is to get as far as you can on as little voltage as possible. Yeah, you can run 1.5 volts through it, but the people who are doing that have invested in aftermarket cooling, and even then it's not necessarily a wise idea. You're running the maximum amount of voltage you should run through on -aftermarket- air using the stock cooler in a SFF case that has limited airflow. Did you try starting at the stock speed and voltage and working your way up gradually, or did you just shoot for an overclock and apply whatever voltage you needed to get there?
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Thanks for advise. Yep I did shoot for high overclock. Time to regroup and work from base voltage up. Any idea on better cooler that fits Microfly SFF case? (A modest improvement in cooling at a modest price)
 
It seems the E4x00 are getting around .2-.4 oc over the e2160 so it's up to you if it's worth it. Personally I would go with the cheapest e4x00 you can find.
 
Zalman CNPS 8000 would be a good choice, it's a little pricey at ~$50 but I guess that's the price you pay for low profile, small form factor stuff. I don't know if you even have to go that small, I could have sworn I saw a guy who stuck a Scythe Ninja in a Microfly.

Before you do anything regarding the heatsink, I would look into ways to increase airflow through the case itself. You can put the most expensive, capable air cooler you can find in that case but if the air isn't circulating it wont make a bit of difference. How do your cables look? Are they routed and orderly or is it a rat's nest inside the case?

If there is a grille over the rear fan, use a dremel or some tin snips (after taking the components out, of course) to remove it. Definitely use some compressed air to clean the case out after doing that. Any cable management you can do will likely help airflow. Perhaps investing in some better fans might help as well. Even with the stock cooler your temps seem dangerously high.
 
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