Is the 1060 DOA?

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DOA in what way? The GTX 960 sold extremely well due to its low power draw and efficiency.

The GTX 1070 alreasy uses less power than the RX480 while being 25% faster. The GTX 1060 will completely embarrass the RX 480 in power draw and efficiency.
 
Gonna wait for reviews, though I am inclined to agree with Kazeo. 960 wasn't a terribly special card, so I am at least skeptical about 1060.

Still, very little use in speculating about two cards that have not yet been released.
 
pippenainteasy said:
DOA in what way? The GTX 960 sold extremely well due to its low power draw and efficiency.

The GTX 1070 alreasy uses less power than the RX480 while being 25% faster. The GTX 1060 will completely embarrass the RX 480 in power draw and efficiency.
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960 meh, and the 1070 is irrelevant to this thread. Again, is the 1060 DOA?
 
I Wouldn't be surprised to see 1060 sales beat 480 sales percentage wise even if the 1060 release a few months after the 480. That is by the time they both go EOL.
 
Maddness said:
I Wouldn't be surprised to see 1060 sales beat 480 sales percentage wise even if the 1060 release a few months after the 480. That is by the time they both go EOL.
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That will have nothing to do with how well either of the cards perform. The 1060 could be a literal turd in a box, and AMD could give away RX480s and the 1060 would still sell three or four times as much. Its just Nvidia marketing and visibility.
 
Not sure what kind of discussion you want out of the topic title, considering that there are no solid benchmark data for either 480 or 1060 (since neither have been officially released), so the only discussion possible is SPECULATE what 1060 and 480 MIGHT be, and that can only be done by extrapolating other already existing hardware like 960 and 1070 or AMD's equivalent, which you consider to be irrelevant.
 
Since I am a qualified bullshit artist Prophet, I'll fill you in.

The 1060 will launch as performing about the same as a 980, but with more DX12 efficiency. It will also be a low-TDP part. Some morphs of the card will feature a completely plug-free power solution (drawing power only from the mainboard). It will release at ~$299

The RX480 will launch much earlier, and perform 5-10% better, and be 30% cheaper, but it will draw a bit more power.

The 1060 will fly off of store shelves and the RX480 will collect dust.

People will claim it unfolded as such because of power draw, but really, it was because of marketing, brand loyalty and OEM contracts.
 
chenw said:
Gonna wait for reviews, though I am inclined to agree with Kazeo. 960 wasn't a terribly special card, so I am at least skeptical about 1060.

Still, very little use in speculating about two cards that have not yet been released.
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Mate of mine got one new. Then I rocked up with a used 290x with a year of warranty for the same price. He was not amused lol
 
N4CR said:
Mate of mine got one new. Then I rocked up with a used 290x with a year of warranty for the same price. He was not amused lol
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I wouldn't be either if I was in the market for used card (I don't trust them, nor do I trust refurbs), 960's on paper spec looked atrocious anyway (IIRC, 960 was exactly half of a 980).

290x OTOH...
 
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chenw said:
I wouldn't be either if I was in the market for used card (I don't trust them, nor do I trust refurbs), 960's on paper spec looked atrocious anyway (IIRC, 960 was exactly half of a 980).

290x OTOH...
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960s were pretty terrible...



Yet they sold like cocaine condoms.
 
KazeoHin said:
That will have nothing to do with how well either of the cards perform. The 1060 could be a literal turd in a box, and AMD could give away RX480s and the 1060 would still sell three or four times as much. Its just Nvidia marketing and visibility.
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This thread is about the 1060 being dead on arrival. It can't be if like I have speculated, that percentage wise it will more than likely outsell the 480.
 
If DoA is going to be based sales numbers than actual performance, I'd imagine Fury X being much closer to being DoA than 960 was.
 
Maddness said:
This thread is about the 1060 being dead on arrival. It can't be if like I have speculated, that percentage wise it will more than likely outsell the 480.
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Yeah, I agree with you. The 1060 will sell like crazy.
 
Singularity_Survivor said:
Discuss..............
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Don't know until we have information what is the specs and release date. Hell, if nVidia decides to release 1060 a week earlier before 480, then all of sudden this topic will switch to "Is the 480 DOA?" I agree with Kazeo, the 1060 will sale truckloads but I believe as long it launch with 4 weeks after 480 launch.
 
Silence on the 1060 is interesting. Perhaps they'll wait till the 480 launches to try the usual marketing cockblock.
 
Deal of Ages ? :)

And I don't see anything weird about silence -they need to clear 970/980 first otherwise they would be killing sales of their own product. I'd guess we will see some controlled leaks close to Polaris launch.
 
KazeoHin said:
Since I am a qualified bullshit artist Prophet, I'll fill you in.

The 1060 will launch as performing about the same as a 980, but with more DX12 efficiency. It will also be a low-TDP part. Some morphs of the card will feature a completely plug-free power solution (drawing power only from the mainboard). It will release at ~$299

The RX480 will launch much earlier, and perform 5-10% better, and be 30% cheaper, but it will draw a bit more power.

The 1060 will fly off of store shelves and the RX480 will collect dust.

People will claim it unfolded as such because of power draw, but really, it was because of marketing, brand loyalty and OEM contracts.
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Not really prophetic; in fact, it's something that nVidia did just two GPU generations ago - or did we forget about "baby Maxwell" (GTX 750Ti)?

GTX 750 Ti is the original low-TDP performance part - half the SKUs had a no-additional-power configuration.

It offered (and still does - it has not gone away, even new) Kepler-level performance at refurbished-Fermi price tags. I looked on Amazon.com over the weekend, and GTX 750 Ti - new - is largely between $100USD and $130USD; that includes AIB fan favorites, such as the STRIX (ASUS) and ACX (EVGA) variants - the crossover at the high end is with GTX 950). GTX 750/TI and GTX 950 are also entry-level DX12 parts - that is, in fact, their primary reason for being. GTX 960 is, literally, just above them, with an SRP in the $200USD range that RX480 is launching into.

GTX 1060 would be the GTX 960 replacement and RX 480's competition. If it ALSO ships with 8GB of GDDR5, that would be a rather major indication that it solved the RAM problems of 4GB GTX 960 (1440p and 1080p with mods, such as Skyrim); the bigger problem is that it would encroach on GTX970 performance turf, and undercut it in terms of price.

As far as individual upgraders go, one reason "GPU-brand loyalty" exists today is because the GPU driver has given way to the GPU driver suite - which both AMD (and ATI before that) and nVidia are guilty of. Moving from one GPU brand to the other has all the attractiveness of having teeth pulled - just read the horror-story posts on [H] alone, let alone GeForce.com, Tom's Hardware, etc. While I didn't have that issue moving from AMD to nVidia, why tempt fate? That DOES mean that I would have an inclination to stick to the same GPU brand; however, the same is also true of existing AMD GPU owners. (Basically a draw.)
 
The 1060 will still have its place. I could see it being the card to use for HTPC and "Steam machines" since it will have low noise levels and give decent performance. I don't see it doing better than the RX480 in the pure desktop gaming pc's market. Nvidia should drop the price between $200-250 to make it more competitive.
 
N4CR said:
Silence on the 1060 is interesting. Perhaps they'll wait till the 480 launches to try the usual marketing cockblock.
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I expect they'll hype up the 1060 immediately before the 480 launch, yes. They're likely having heated conversations about pricing now-- I don't think anyone really expected AMD to go below $250.
 
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This thread is totally irrelevant, we don't have numbers on the 1060, performance or price. For all we know it could be faster than the RX 480 at the same price. All you want to do is have a giant troll fest.
 
schizo said:
I expect they'll hype up the 1060 immediately before the 480 launch, yes. They're likely having heated conversations about pricing now-- I don't think anyone really expected AMD to go below $250.
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Agreed. Even we picked 300-250.. not 200-230.
 
Unlike us AMD actually knows how that Polaris 480 performs in more than one obscure CF benchmark ;)
 
look everyone was saying silence was not good for nV about pascal, when AMD was showing off Polaris last year, ya know what, nV is distancing themselves away from AMD from a marketing point of view, as they want to show their consumers AMD is not a competitor to them. Did we forget the amount of threads and posts postulating AMD's lead of nV with the new nodes? All that turned out to be nothing, in fact, nV has the lead. The fact is that is just a show, they will do the same thing with the 1060 when the time is right they will reveal the 1060 and the time isn't right yet, it will be right around the time reviews hit for the rx480 though.

And for the OP, why would you even think the 1060 would be DOA, we see what the 1070 and 1080 can do, we already kinda of have an idea where the rx480 ends up, you think one of the variants of the 1060 won't hit that mark in performance? When this is just a typical increase in performance per gen (yes its typical, moving up a performance bracket is the norm and always has been). The only thing that should be a concern if power consumption if they can hit the perf/watt of the performance pascals, and if they don't do that, it will be a comparable card to the rx480. If they do though, its going to be in a class of its own.
 
Rumor sites took the wind out of that announcement honestly.
Seemed like everyone (including actual publications, like WSJ) had the price well before the keynote took place.

390/390X ($329/$429) performance for $199, considering the node shrink, is basically meeting expectations.
If it however approaches Fury (non-X) performance, $549-tier, then it gets much more interesting.
 
razor1 said:
look everyone was saying silence was not good for nV about pascal, when AMD was showing off Polaris last year, ya know what, nV is distancing themselves away from AMD from a marketing point of view, as they want to show their consumers AMD is not a competitor to them. Did we forget the amount of threads and posts postulating AMD's lead of nV with the new nodes? All that turned out to be nothing, in fact, nV has the lead. The fact is that is just a show, they will do the same thing with the 1060 when the time is right they will reveal the 1060 and the time isn't right yet, it will be right around the time reviews hit for the rx480 though.
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That's because both Nvidia and Intel have what I call "winner mentality" in their marketing - they always show how their product is better than previous generations, how they improved it, what new technologies got implemented and compare performance to their own model from the past. And they almost never mention competitors directly.

Meanwhile AMD has "loser mentality" in marketing and can't shut itself up about how they compare to competitors making impression that they are "we too" company for budget buyers. Sometimes they spent more time talking about competitors product that their own.
 
Michaelius said:
Deal of Ages ? :)

And I don't see anything weird about silence -.
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the same silence before the asynchronous compute and 3.5GB on maxwell/kepler was taken into analysis

But this is due to the usual scheme release of the card midrange gpus GP104 models first then GP106 smaller die with even smaller bus width

Michaelius said:
That's because both Nvidia and Intel have what I call "winner mentality" in their marketing - they always show how their product is better than previous generations, how they improved it
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Paxwell?
 
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N4CR said:
Agreed. Even we picked 300-250.. not 200-230.
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Yep, I had hoped for $250, and thought it would do really well at that price. But honestly I expected a lol-worthy historic failure at $300.
 
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PGHammer said:
Moving from one GPU brand to the other has all the attractiveness of having teeth pulled - just read the horror-story posts on [H] alone, let alone GeForce.com, Tom's Hardware, etc. While I didn't have that issue moving from AMD to nVidia, why tempt fate? That DOES mean that I would have an inclination to stick to the same GPU brand; however, the same is also true of existing AMD GPU owners. (Basically a draw.)
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Very good point. Attempting to scrub AMD/nVidia driver suites is a pain and doesn't always go well. It's an issue I consider whenever upgrading my GPU and I'm sure it influences some consumers enough to always stick with either AMD or nVidia.

I question the 1060's viability based on price/performance compared to the 480. I think most will agree it will cost more than $199 and assuming 50% of the performance of the 1080 it will fall short of the 480's supposedly slightly better performance than the 390x. The one big advantage I'm expecting the 1060 to have is overclocking, and that alone might be its saving grace.

Looking forward to see how some of these predictions pan out.
 
I've never had trouble moving from AMD to NVidia to AMD, done it 6 times without an OS re-install.
But I've had plenty of problems with AMDs drivers that are not related to anything else except how crap the drivers are.
 
Singularity_Survivor said:
Very good point. Attempting to scrub AMD/nVidia driver suites is a pain and doesn't always go well. It's an issue I consider whenever upgrading my GPU and I'm sure it influences some consumers enough to always stick with either AMD or nVidia.

I question the 1060's viability based on price/performance compared to the 480. I think most will agree it will cost more than $199 and assuming 50% of the performance of the 1080 it will fall short of the 480's supposedly slightly better performance than the 390x. The one big advantage I'm expecting the 1060 to have is overclocking, and that alone might be its saving grace.

Looking forward to see how some of these predictions pan out.
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Do you have any links to this information that indicates the 1060's performance/price means it's DOA? Or have you just decided it's DOA because... well just because. Only rumours I've seen so far have said 970/980 performance at mid $200 which is well within the range the 480 is rumoured to be at.
 
Lmah2x said:
The 1060 will still have its place. I could see it being the card to use for HTPC and "Steam machines" since it will have low noise levels and give decent performance. I don't see it doing better than the RX480 in the pure desktop gaming pc's market. Nvidia should drop the price between $200-250 to make it more competitive.
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I didn't say otherwise; remember, I posit that the GTX 750/Ti and now the GTX950, occupy that same spot today - as did GTX650/Ti (Kepler) and GTX 550/Ti (Fermi).

Further, that $249USD figure I quoted was indeed for a putative GTX 1060 in Founder's Edition clothing - not an AIB version (which would naturally be under that). If you can get GTX 980 performance numbers (note I did NOT specify the Ti version) and greater power efficiency (single 6-pin anyone?) out of that same putative GTX 1060 FE, it is going to be concerning for RX 480 for that reason alone. Those GTX 960 4GB SKUs landed with a resounding CLANK; that 3.5 GB issue kept the GTX 970 from sliding down.
 
schizo said:
Yep, I had hoped for $250, and thought it would do really well at that price. But honestly I expected a lol-worthy historic failure at $300.
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They'd be crazy to price the 1060 at $300, I expect similar performance to the RX480 while drawing less power. Tough to tell without any real idea of specs so far. While they don't have to be super aggressive in terms of pricing due to sheeple, they will probably have a lot of room to mess with the pricing.
 
PGHammer said:
GTX 1060 would be the GTX 960 replacement and RX 480's competition. If it ALSO ships with 8GB of GDDR5, that would be a rather major indication that it solved the RAM problems of 4GB GTX 960 (1440p and 1080p with mods, such as Skyrim); the bigger problem is that it would encroach on GTX970 performance turf, and undercut it in terms of price
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Isn't GM204 already EOL? If nVidia is managing inventory properly then they shouldn't care too much about overshadowing the 970.
 
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