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Is overclocking actually noticeable?

tehandydumke

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I was wondering what you guys think. I was telling my dad about oc'ing his computer and he asked this question. I didn't really notice a difference but then again I only used my computer at the stock setting for a month and + I'm a NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooob. :)

So ya do you guys think overclocking is noticeable?
 
in benchmarks definately....but going from 2.4ghz to 3.19ghz for me...i only noticed a lil bit
 
Nah, not unless it's a major overclock. If you overclock your 2.6 to 2.8 or something, then probably no. But, of course, if you got from 2.4 ghZ to 3.6 ghZ then, well, yeah... You're going to notice that :p
 
well, a 1700+ from 1466 to 2400 is well quite a difference in everything.
 
heh, i noticed the difference going from a 333FSB to 400 on my 2700+ granted its running @ 2400MHz as well, but thats not the point ;p
 
well i guess i didn't notice because cs is such an old game and i have a 2.6 radeon 9800 and a gig of ram.
 
Depends on the applications...Overall feel in the desktop opening applications, boot up, and even running the net may be difficult to see, but if that is all you use it for you are wasting your time ocing anyways, IMO......


I ran my 2.4c through a series of test I use all the time and ran it at stock 2.4, oc'd 3.0ghz (250fsb) and 3.5 (292fsb).....You tell me if you think you would feel it with items listed below....


Testing:

Systems:

P4 2.4@3.5ghz (292fsb) w/ 3:2 for 390ddr cas 2,3,3,8

P4 2.4@3.0ghz (250fsb) w/ 5:4 for 400ddr cas 2,3,3,8

P4 2.4ghz (200fsb) w/ 1:1 for 400ddr cas 2,3,3,8

Barton 2500+@3200+ (11x200) w/ 1:1 for 400ddr cas 2.5,3,3,8 (couldn't get cas 2 stable)


POV-Ray v3.5 Benchmark (2instances running benchmark in 2 halves on P4's) (in minutes)

P4 3.5 = 22:45
P4 3.0 = 26:32 (16.6%)
3200+ = 31:43 (39.4%)
P4 2.4 = 33.44 (48.3%)....***11 minutes faster***

Cinebench 2003 (multicpu score on P4's)

P4 3.5 = 420
P4 3.0 = 361 (16.3%)
P4 2.4 = 289 (45.3%)
3200+ = 269 (56.1%)

SuperPi 2mb

P4 3.5 = 1:34
P4 3.0 = 1:48 (14.9%)
3200+ = 1:50 (17.0%)
P4 2.4 = 2:11 (39.3%)

Prime95 v23.7 Benchmark 2048k

P4 3.5 = 57.548
P4 3.0 = 67.011 (16.4%)
P4 2.4 = 83.397 (44.9%)
3200+ = 154.903 (269.2%)

TMPGenc v2.52 HT on ( This is on a small 2minutes plus clip, so times by 60 if you want to see how long a 2 hour movie may take)
( in minutes )

P4 3.5 = 2:08
P4 3.0 = 2:29 (16.4%)
P4 2.4 = 3:05 (44.5%)
3200+ = 3:16 (53.2%)...***1min8sec faster or 1hour 6min for 2hr movie***

Besweet Wav to AC3 encoding (in minutes)

P4 3.5 = 3:43
3200+ = 4:19 (16.1%)
P4 3.0 = 4:21 (17.0%)
P4 2.4 = 5:06 (37.2%)

Winrar (768mb of files) (in minutes)

P4 3.5 = 6:09
P4 3.0 = 6:41 (8.7%)
P4 2.4 = 7:35 (23.2%)

Seti@Home Bench WU (i386-winnt-cmdline.exe) (2 instances completing 2 units) (hrs:min)

P4 3.5 = 2:59/2 = 1:29.5 per unit
P4 3.0 = 3:26/2 = 1:43 per unit
P4 2.4 = didn't run

UT2003Demo Botmatch (800x600)

P4 3.5 = 82.98
P4 3.0 = 77.42 (7.2%)
P4 2.4 = 67.11 (23.6%)

WMV codec 9.0 (PCmark2004)

P4 3.5 = 62.563fps
P4 3.0 = 54.510fps (14.8%)
3200+ = 46.543fps (34.4%)
P4 2.4 = 44.312fps (41.1%)....*18ps less means a lot longer***

Divx 5.10pro Xmpeg 4.5 (PCmark2004)

P4 3.5 = 70.483fps
P4 3.0 = 61.457fps (14.7%)
3200+ = 53.623fps (31.4%)
P4 2.4 = 50.742fps (38.9%)....*20fps less means a lot longer***

DVD2AVI v1.77 (make an avs project file from Gone in 60sec DVD and stripping audio ac3 tracks) (in minutes)

P4 3.5 = 5:34
P4 3.0 = 5:53 (5.7%)
P4 2.4 = 6:42 (20.4%)

DVDshrink3.0Beta5 (Gone in 60seconds (full) DVD; 64% compression automatic) (in minutes)

P4 3.5 = 15:10
P4 3.0 = 17:05 (12.6%)
P4 2.4 = 20:30 (35.2%)

Norton AntiVirus 2003 (Scan of 6 critical folders containing 43,580 files) (in minutes)

P4 3.5 = 6:16
P4 3.0 = 6:45 (7.8%)
P4 2.4 = 7:14 (15.4%)




I did testing awhile back and this is fro that review minus the graphs....
 
Originally posted by MontyAC
Very true. Until your urge for the next overclock. :D

Yup. I hate that when I get the Urge :D It always end up by costing me money to support my O/C habit. Im like a junkie. :cool:
 
duvie: incrediable job there, when I get my comp up, ill make a list like that

someone should make a database with tests of all those progs....
 
I wish I could get my 2.40C up to 3.6GHz... I think 3.3GHz looks to be the limit with mine. I definately see a difference in compression, gaming, and encoding!
 
Originally posted by kronchev
duvie: incrediable job there, when I get my comp up, ill make a list like that

someone should make a database with tests of all those progs....

Thanks!!! I put together a review for another site and this was the non graphical version for posting in threads....

I am thinking aboout adding sciencemark, 3-4 more gaming demos (though my system is vid card limited), AutoCad 2004 architectural desktop rendering, POV-Ray chess rendering (more popular by some net sites since it is quicker to run then the benchmark I ran).....

I always look to add to the list if anything to help ppl identify p4 optimized programs....
 
I actually haven't seen many 2.6's to reach 3.4ghz period....

I would look at a 2.8ghz p4c M0 stepping chip...A 2.4 could be an option but you will have to run at 3:2 ratio with that ram or buy better ram....


3.3ghz is still very nice....

I would wait to see how the prescotts evolve with newer steppings...Maybe a 2.8 prescott will be hitting 3.7-3.8ghz on air soon with newer steppings....They appear to do better in some things versus the northwood and at this speed the penalties that have been seen in same speed northwood/ prescott testing start to dissipate or reverse...Ther is also reports of better HT performance....

BUT FOR NOW....

Too hot for me and most with out water cooled systems....
 
I have 2.8 @ 3.25 right now. I don't really notice a difference, even in games because everything ran so smoothly before. You'd notice more difference in day to day stuff with a couple of raptors in RAID0 than by overclocking more than likely.
 
well this was noticeable...wish i could run 24/7 with it:D I have to back down to 3.7 to game and stuff

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I o/c'd my thunderbird 950mhz to almost 1.1ghz, and I CAN see the difference. Maybe with the faster systems out there, it's probably not as noticable because your not pushing the system as hard to run proggies.
 
Originally posted by tehandydumke
I was wondering what you guys think. I was telling my dad about oc'ing his computer and he asked this question. I didn't really notice a difference but then again I only used my computer at the stock setting for a month and + I'm a NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooob. :)

So ya do you guys think overclocking is noticeable?

Depends on your system and if you got some serious bottleneck.

Me I notice lower or higher FSB hardly do any difference.
 
Most of the applications and stuff I normally run doesn't really benefit from an overclock; stock speeds are good enough. Now, Folding, on the other hand is a different story. Any stable overclock I get on it helps. I don't have any benches or anything to compare against, but every stable increase in speed I get helps there.
 
Originally posted by computerpro3
well this was noticeable...wish i could run 24/7 with it:D I have to back down to 3.7 to game and stuff

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Maybe if you lock the AGP/PCI to 66/33 it would make it more stable at 3.8ghz. Try it. :)
 
All I know is how the hell do you get a 2.4 to 3.8 OMFG ur CRAZY :D

I want to get mine to 3.5 or even just 3.4 dam!
 
He has a 2.4 with the m0 stepping, which means it runs cooler with more voltage than most other P4s. Your 2.6 does not have that feature. Your overclock is still pretty good.
 
Originally posted by camay123
Maybe if you lock the AGP/PCI to 66/33 it would make it more stable at 3.8ghz. Try it. :)

the reason he can get that high is cause he doesn't have his agp/pci set to 66/33, if you leave it at 66/33 like you have to do if you use sata drives, then you'll hit a 300fsb wall and can't go higher. if you change your agp/pci higher like he has you can get above that wall

my chip can hit 3.6 when i have 2x256mb mushkin sticks of ram in, so i've ran into that wall cause of my sata drives, but ever since i went to a gig of ram 3.45 is all i can hit :( ...which i'm kinda happy with none the less.

and i can notice a difference with my oc and stock, but cant notice a difference between 3.6 and 3.45ghz except in benchies
 
Originally posted by PureBooYah
the reason he can get that high is cause he doesn't have his agp/pci set to 66/33, if you leave it at 66/33 like you have to do if you use sata drives, then you'll hit a 300fsb wall and can't go higher. if you change your agp/pci higher like he has you can get above that wall

my chip can hit 3.6 when i have 2x256mb mushkin sticks of ram in, so i've ran into that wall cause of my sata drives, but ever since i went to a gig of ram 3.45 is all i can hit :(

Never heard of this, I have my AGP/PCI lock at 66/33 and can get more then 300 fsb. Maybe it's because it's actually 67/34. :confused:
 
I see a very noticable difference.


When my quake3 benches go from 300FPS to 420FPS(The 2.66) it means I can play with my frames locked at 125FPS.

Or in the case of my celeron. It had a little trouble keeping up as a TIVO, dropping frames, slow transition between recording, before the OC(85-90% CPU usage), now it handles it like a champ(45-50% CPU Usage) It also lets me utilize it as a second gaming computer when friends come over(Quake3 from 130FPS to 265FPS).
 
Originally posted by tehandydumke
I was wondering what you guys think. I was telling my dad about oc'ing his computer and he asked this question. I didn't really notice a difference but then again I only used my computer at the stock setting for a month and + I'm a NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooob. :)

So ya do you guys think overclocking is noticeable?
Well of course it all depends. If you use your computer primarily for MS Word and Warcraft III (or, heaven forbid, Counterstrike), anything over 1.5 ghz won't be noticably faster.

On the other hand, if you're playing UT2k4 or some such, every little bit is going to help.

Personally, I *have* to overclock, given that I have a celeron 2.0. 100% stable at 2.9, and with better ram I'm sure I could easily get over 3 ghz.
 
Originally posted by PureBooYah
the reason he can get that high is cause he doesn't have his agp/pci set to 66/33, if you leave it at 66/33 like you have to do if you use sata drives, then you'll hit a 300fsb wall and can't go higher. if you change your agp/pci higher like he has you can get above that wall

my chip can hit 3.6 when i have 2x256mb mushkin sticks of ram in, so i've ran into that wall cause of my sata drives, but ever since i went to a gig of ram 3.45 is all i can hit :( ...which i'm kinda happy with none the less.

and i can notice a difference with my oc and stock, but cant notice a difference between 3.6 and 3.45ghz except in benchies

whoa whoa whoa...hmmmmm

we basically have the same core system with similar overclocking parts, AND the vdimm mod done...AND are having the exact same problem!

I can hit 3.8ghz with either 3/2 dual channel or 5/4 single channel. I cannot get past 3.45ghz exactly without my system going to hell in a handbasket 5/4 divider channel. Its driving me nuts! Imagine runnig 3.7ghz, 500mhz 2-2-2-5 memory day to day:eek: Do me a favor... run memtest at 3.5ghz 5/4 dider with as much volts as u can give her. try running test 5. tell me if it locks up. I thihk its the memory controller crapping out, but I am not sure. Now you may be thinking so what...well tell ou the truth, I think it has to do with the vdimm mod. Think about it, exactsame systems, edxact same mod, exact same problem. What about the vdimm mod could be affecting the stability of the 5/4 divider? Whats the max fsb stable for you? thanks.
 
Originally posted by computerpro3
whoa whoa whoa...hmmmmm

we basically have the same core system with similar overclocking parts, AND the vdimm mod done...AND are having the exact same problem!

I can hit 3.8ghz with either 3/2 dual channel or 5/4 single channel. I cannot get past 3.45ghz exactly without my system going to hell in a handbasket 5/4 divider channel. Its driving me nuts! Imagine runnig 3.7ghz, 500mhz 2-2-2-5 memory day to day:eek: Do me a favor... run memtest at 3.5ghz 5/4 dider with as much volts as u can give her. try running test 5. tell me if it locks up. I thihk its the memory controller crapping out, but I am not sure. Now you may be thinking so what...well tell ou the truth, I think it has to do with the vdimm mod. Think about it, exactsame systems, edxact same mod, exact same problem. What about the vdimm mod could be affecting the stability of the 5/4 divider? Whats the max fsb stable for you? thanks.

holy crap, we have the exact same problem. that memtest does lock up for me (i ran it after i first did this mod a couple months ago) and just thought it was my system, but everything ran fine so i didnt pay any attention to it. when you said that i was like ":eek: omg it's not only me". you might be on to something...i never checked max stability 3/2 dual or 5/4 single channel with the mod done, but 5/4 dual the tops i can get is 3.45ghz anything else crashes. if i still had my 2x256mb sticks in i could do 3.6ghz with 3/2 dual (before my vdimm mod) and 3.55ghz 5/4 dual (after vdimm mod) - plus it never let me do 3.6ghz 3/2 after my vdimm mod come to think of it

later this week i'm going to try 3/2 300fsb with the vdimm mod and then without it and test stability
 
and I know its not that it needs more volts; I've gone up to 3.4 and as low as 3 (lowest I can go). I wonder if it NB cooling, is yours running stock cooling?

excuse my typing errors be4, I was typing on a tablet pc in a car with a fractured elbow and chipped wrist (baseball training, don't ask)
 
Originally posted by computerpro3
and I know its not that it needs more volts; I've gone up to 3.4 and as low as 3 (lowest I can go). I wonder if it NB cooling, is yours running stock cooling?

excuse my typing errors be4, I was typing on a tablet pc in a car with a fractured elbow and chipped wrist (baseball training, don't ask)

yep, i'm using stock cooling, but it doesnt get all that warm to the touch even after stressing it.

....i did put some as3 under there too
 
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