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Is One BIP Enough?

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Carlosinfl

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I am having problems finding room for a 2nd 120mm BIP in my case so I was wondering how bad would my system be if I just had one single 120mm BIP in the setup w/ no over clocking at all?

- Intel Core 2 Duo E600 (stock 2.4 GHz) - EK-Wave 775 CPU Water Block
- eVGA Ge-Force 8800GTS 320MB - EK Full Coverage GeForce 8800 GTS Water Block
- Swiftech MCP655

All this is flowing through 1/2" ID Clear Tubing.

Do you think I will have a problem or is it worth the touble squeezing in the 2nd BIP radiator into the setup somehow?

Thanks for any info!
 
Carloswill said:
I am having problems finding room for a 2nd 120mm BIP in my case so I was wondering how bad would my system be if I just had one single 120mm BIP in the setup w/ no over clocking at all?

- Intel Core 2 Duo E600 (stock 2.4 GHz) - EK-Wave 775 CPU Water Block
- eVGA Ge-Force 8800GTS 320MB - EK Full Coverage GeForce 8800 GTS Water Block
- Swiftech MCP655

All this is flowing through 1/2" ID Clear Tubing.

Do you think I will have a problem or is it worth the touble squeezing in the 2nd BIP radiator into the setup somehow?

Thanks for any info!
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You should be fine, but it would help to know which pump you will be using.
 
Considering the maximum heat dump of that loop at stock is about 200w... And a single BIP can exchange about 150-175w depending on fan speeds...

Your temperatures will suffer considerably.
 
Carloswill said:
I am having problems finding room for a 2nd 120mm BIP in my case so I was wondering how bad would my system be if I just had one single 120mm BIP in the setup w/ no over clocking at all?

- Intel Core 2 Duo E600 (stock 2.4 GHz) - EK-Wave 775 CPU Water Block
- eVGA Ge-Force 8800GTS 320MB - EK Full Coverage GeForce 8800 GTS Water Block
- Swiftech MCP655

All this is flowing through 1/2" ID Clear Tubing.

Do you think I will have a problem or is it worth the touble squeezing in the 2nd BIP radiator into the setup somehow?

Thanks for any info!
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Dump the any sort of BI radiator. Just get a PA160 to mount internally or mount a PA120.2 externally and you'll be able to handle everything in your loop.
 
You're saying that just one single "PA160" will handle everything I have better than dual 120 BIP's?

Does anyone else agree with this?
 
Ranker said:
Dump the any sort of BI radiator. Just get a PA160 to mount internally or mount a PA120.2 externally and you'll be able to handle everything in your loop.
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Cmon, black ice's arn't THAT bad. Maybe compared to a PA series, but the price is practically 60% lower.
 
Ranker said:
Dump the any sort of BI radiator. Just get a PA160 to mount internally or mount a PA120.2 externally and you'll be able to handle everything in your loop.
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you'll be able to handle everything if you get a thermochill but you can forget about the grocery run this weekend
 
the way people pimp them out you would think temps of 10C lower when using them :rolleyes:
 
Arcygenical said:
Cmon, black ice's arn't THAT bad. Maybe compared to a PA series, but the price is practically 60% lower.
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True when you're talking about PA vs BI. However, the Swifties perform better than the BIPs and they're in the same price class. If two products are the same price yet one performs better than the other, it's sorta obvious you'd go with the Swiftie rad.
 
malicious said:
the way people pimp them out you would think temps of 10C lower when using them :rolleyes:
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They're about 30% more efficient. That's why I recommend a 3x MCR radiator, which beats out a 2x PA. The MCR is only about 10% better than the BIP anyways, if even that.

Personal testing of a BIP and a MCR 120.1 radiator showed no diference in temperatures with a 150w varistor heat load... tested beside eachother :eek:

True when you're talking about PA vs BI. However, the Swifties perform better than the BIPs and they're in the same price class.
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Yep, going MCR is about a 5-10% bonus for free really.
 
OK - so I mapped out two locations for my BIP - anyone know if I will have any issues here?

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The red squares obviously represent where I am mounting my BIP along with a Yate Loon 120mm fan.

The front middle will have the Yate Loon fan mounted 1st to the case with the BIP mounted ontop of it.

The bottom BIP will be opposite. The BIP will mounted first to the right and then the Yate Loon fan an top of it closest to the power supply.
 
Check the link I provided in another thread on this forum to a thread on XS forums. A recent thread dissected the most optimal configuration of 2 BIP's in that case with multiple mounting locations. It was a great thread and should give you a lot of insight and take a lot of trial and error away from you.
 
Arcygenical said:
Personal testing of a BIP and a MCR 120.1 radiator showed no diference in temperatures with a 150w varistor heat load... tested beside eachother :eek:



Yep, going MCR is about a 5-10% bonus for free really.
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?????

so in testing there is no difference but in (insert place) there is 5-10 percent bonus for free?
 
malicious said:
?????

so in testing there is no difference but in (insert place) there is 5-10 percent bonus for free?
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Well, I think the pure 150w of heat was actually too much and soaked the radiator... With a better pump the tests might have been better, but I had to improvise with a pair of pond pumps that were (fortunately) on sale :p. Roughly 1/2 the head pressure of a D5 pump, with a measured GPM measure of... crap, I can't remember. I'll go look it up if you're still interested.

The water temps going in and out were constantly within .5c of eachother, with the advantage going to the swiftech radiator.
 
also an mcr320 vs. BIPIII on petra's is $13 difference

55 vs. 42

%30 premium for MCR over BIP


edit: and the thermochill is an obscene 135 or 200%+ more expensive than a BIPIII
 
malicious said:
the way people pimp them out you would think temps of 10C lower when using them :rolleyes:
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Btw, I missed this earlier, but many people do get a 10C jump going from BIP II to a PA120.2

This guy recently rebuilt his loop: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2184577&postcount=10

also an mcr320 vs. BIPIII on petra's is $13 difference

55 vs. 42

%30 premium for MCR over BIP


edit: and the thermochill is an obscene 135 or 200%+ more expensive than a BIPIII
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The old BIP series are much worse than the Swiftech radiator's. It's only the new GT/GTX series from Black Ice that come within 10% of the performance of a Swiftech MCR QP. Even then, they're asking for much higher prices.
 
Ranker said:
The old BIP series are much worse than the Swiftech radiator's. It's only the new GT/GTX series from Black Ice that come within 10% of the performance of a Swiftech MCR QP. Even then, they're asking for much higher prices.
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I tested with the old BIP, personally didn't notice much of a difference. But anecdotal evidence says the BIP is about 15% worse than the MCR at most.

the GTS is a horrible radiator to be sure.

The GTX is alright, the 480 is really nice simply due to it's size.

Marci's tests show the BI GT to be within the MCR by a .8 delta... That's clost to what I got between the BIP and the MCR (I measured about .5). The BI GTS I tested was actually worst with my yates at 7v due to the higher FPI (1.1c delta between in and out coolant).
 
Carloswill said:
anin3hn2.jpg
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/Somewhat off topic (with no hijacking intended)

Did you paint the inside of that P182, or is it stock?

/Back on topic

Have you considered a Swiftech MCRxxx-QP series Rad? I think I am going with one of those
 
Ranker said:
Check the link I provided in another thread on this forum to a thread on XS forums. A recent thread dissected the most optimal configuration of 2 BIP's in that case with multiple mounting locations. It was a great thread and should give you a lot of insight and take a lot of trial and error away from you.
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Sorry - I really have no idea what thread / link you're talking about. I did search BIP and found nothing about a XS Forum link...

Do you have handy?
 
If you want to put a BIP on the front fan area, you might find you have to take out the 3.5 bay thing from the case. It's just 4 rivets to drill out and bend slightly to remove. I found with my setup I was short maybe 1-2 mm putting my rig together. Here's a few photos of my creation, covers both of your proposed locations.

Bio-Hazard...thanks for the idea of where to cram in a 4th BIP into my case...now where to put that hard drive, hmmmm :p
 
OK so right now I have one BIP in front of my Power Supply in the lower P180b chamber and then the 2nd is mounted on the intake fan on the middle front chamber. My only concern is the heat from the 4 HDD's in the removable lower HD cage will soak the BIP directly behind it. I will have pics up Monday!
 
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