Is a 3000+ Venice good enough?

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Carbon_Le

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Im in the process of buying a new mobo and cpu...but the thing is will a AMD 3000+ Venice be enough to handle a BFG 7800GT? Im pretty sure it will bottleneck...will it help if i were to oc the cpu? I need some help b/c im planning on buying the parts tomorrow and yet to make a decision.
 
Asian Dub Foundation said:
it will bottleneck the GPU to a pt, but it will be fine if ur willing to OC it
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How much do you think i would need to run it? 2.4ghz? I will be playing my games at 1280x1024 res.
 
flynlr said:
even at 2.2ghz it would run just about like a 3500+
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that is the pt... to get around 3500+... i read a article somewhere that the sweetspot where cpu bottleneck is not much a problem is around the 2.2ghz territory
 
One other question now that im getting a amd 64...how do i upgrade from wins xp to wins 64? Does it improve performance?
 
Carbon_Le said:
Koo...thx guys for the input. I'll be getting a 3000+ and DFi nf4 mobo.
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Ok, that is a sin. You don't get a Venice 3000 and a DFI Ultra D and overclock it 400mhz.... NO WAY.

THat setup has some serious headroom. If they're still making good venices, you should be able to push 2.6-2.8 with some work. Check out (cf)Eclipse's tutorials in the AMD section.

About Winxp 64, look on MS's site. If your copy is legitimate, which we shall assume and not discuss the alternative :eek:, then I think Microsoft still has a trade in program, where they give you a Windows X64 key and void your regular winxp Pro key. You need to have WinXP Pro, IIRC.

As of now, the 64 bit edition is doing better, but some will find that the drivers for their devices don't exist yet. A lot of the problems should be resolved soon. Performance gains aren't really there yet. FarCry comes to mind, as its 64 bit edition DOES look better, so you might want to consider going to the 64 bit WinXP if you like FC.

 
Well i just confessed all my sins last Sunday so im holy again... :p Im not trying to go all out...i mean 2.2-2.6 is fine with me. As long as their at stock voltage...what ram would you suggest for such an oc? Ok thx im look into MS website and get winxp 64. Hopefully I can still trade it in.
 
Even if he is a gamer, playing FC...would going to Windows XP 64 really increase the performance THAT much....where its worth the trouble?
 
{NcsO}ReichstaG said:
Even if he is a gamer, playing FC...would going to Windows XP 64 really increase the performance THAT much....where its worth the trouble?
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That's argueable. I was using FarCry as an example, I'm sure theres another game and some more to come. It wasn't performance I was talking about. I spoke of quality. Greater detail. These things matter to us. But for one game? I see your point.

I think perhaps that the whole lack of drivers thing for 64 is improving, but to each his own. I'm sticking with regular winxp, but I have my reasons.

 
3k+ is fine I have it OC'd to a 2.4 (3800+), that is chip limit, on stock everything. Ram is @2.6v cpu @1.4v.

Go crucial Ballistix in my opinion. Not using dividers and I believe i could do 3 3 3 at 300 fsb if it wasn't for the chip. Can't wait for the Opti's....... oh wait..... If you are willing to wait there are the 144 Optis that have done very well in Oc.... I'm waiting to see how the 146's do though..... well have no choice anyway all sold out! :p
 
If you can go higher, don't hesitate to. It's just that 2.2GHz is where the fps increases start to decrease in rate. Every 100MHz increase from there doesn't give as much of an fps boost as it does under 2.2GHz. But it still helps.
 
synergyo1 said:
You should be able to get a 2.4ghz overclock on air no problem.
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That's what I'm running mine with stock cooling and stock volt. Like bonafide said going higher didn't increase performance much so I settled for 2.4 as a sweetspot.

I've been running XP-64 for months and I really like it. It "feels" faster than XP, hard to explain you really have to use it to see what I mean.

And FarCry 64bit looks awesome, UT2004 also has a 64bit patch but I don't have the game so I don't know the difference with 32bit.
 
Stoly said:
That's what I'm running mine with stock cooling and stock volt. Like bonafide said going higher didn't increase performance much so I settled for 2.4 as a sweetspot.
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Whats your fsb at?
 
This will probably be better served in the AMD forum. Moved.
 
I'm doing the x64 trial and though there are a few downers, like I can't use Norton, company antivirus, it does seem faster. Like previous post you have to c for yourself.

Most 32bit programs work outside a few. UGURU :mad: for example.

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028377143&postcount=23
Check this out for your trial.

If you also have patience I would also reco the Opteron 144 over the venice. This venice is so out of here once these come out more available.
 
try and get a good steping and you should be fine for 2.6-7 I got my venice right when the e3 came out(3000+ LBBLE 0516CPBW) and im running 297x9 3x ram @ 243 2.2.2.5 for 2.673 1.58v stock cooler.

get some redline 3500 ram and you should be set for an awesome system.I would also look at the gto2 saf cards there like 199 and flash to x850 xt speeds.
 
skratch said:
I would also look at the gto2 saf cards there like 199 and flash to x850 xt speeds.
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I just order a bfg 7800gt from dell for 300. and since price went up on gto2 (240-299) Im better off with the 7800gt.

Is it worth the extra tens dollars to get the dfi nf4 ultra-d then getting the dfi nf4-d? What is the difference? On newegg they show the nf4-d with a SLi connecter???
 
Difference between D and Ultra-D is that the ultra has two integrated LAN cards and the D only has one.
 
the gto2 is 199 on newegg right now.Dont waste your money buying reg 3200 ram.That will only end up being a huge bottle neck when you try and push the system.

cf why in gods name would you tell him to get that cheap ram when muskin red line 4000 is only 30 bucks more

that ram will do 260 2.2.2.5 and over 300 with relaxed timings

redline
 
Shane_c82 said:
$190 for a gig of redline, you can save $ and get a cheaper gig and just use dividers.
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well if you want to get all technical its 180 and 120 for cheap generic ram is 60 bucks really worth the trouble later on.

if thats the case why not just buy a 50 dollar mb and ditch the dfi.What the reason for using the best overclocking board and a sweet venice that clocks like mad and not but decent ram?
 
With 64's and ocing I would rather have the best mb rather than memory because we can use dividers and not really get penalized...if he gets the redline or cheaper ram its safe to say the 3000+ is a great choice.
 
skratch said:
well if you want to get all technical its 180 and 120 for cheap generic ram is 60 bucks really worth the trouble later on.
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How is it generic? Its got a lifetime warranty and should do just fine for ocing. Not looking into spending 180+ for ram.
 
nevermind man in about 3 years after you live and learn you will come back and thank me for trying to help you out.

the redline are 30 dollars more per stick than the ones you were going to get and will run over 320 on them with loose timings and run around 260 tight timings.

when trying to push your venice to its best sweet spot you need either high fsb or mid fsb with very tight timings.These sticks give you the best of both worlds tccd scalling with old school bh5 timings.

you can using the dividers but your still limited to around 220 mhz tops on those other sticks. its not worth it man just spend a little more and have the best ram bro.

im crusing @ 297x9 with a 333divider and the ram is running @243 2.2.2.5 1t something that those other sticks cant do at stock settings

whats the point of overclocking that venice and chocking it with a huge divider and killing your bandwith
 
Im not really tryin to go crazy on this setup. Just 2.4 will do fine and im pretty sure these crucial sticks do just fine.
 
Again 3 3 3 @2.6 @273 FSB No Dividers. Would do 300 at same but chip holds back. For the price you CANNOT beat this. Especially since they do it at few volts = no heating issues.

2 x 512 Ballistix ddr 400
 
Hey you guys I ordered a 3000+ thursday and its coming in on monday but do you think i should rma it?...to get a x2 3800+ instead? Man im so lost...i can never decide.
 
If you ordered it keep it!!! Not like games can take advantage anyway but if you can afford it and have cash like that then buy it.
 
skratch said:
cf why in gods name would you tell him to get that cheap ram when muskin red line 4000 is only 30 bucks more

that ram will do 260 2.2.2.5 and over 300 with relaxed timings

redline
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heh.. $30 more for 512mb, which is $60 more for 1gb. also.. show me one instance where relaxed timings helps redlines out. i ASSURE you that they will max out with 2-2-2 timings at whatever voltage can be given (unless under 3.1v, when redline is definitly not the stuff for you). but there's the problem with it.. the voltage. means you have to be careful about cooling, the mobo, killing the ram or memory controller. just a hassle :(
 
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