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Monitors: Anti-Glare Coating + 1000:1 Contrast = Puke Image. 
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Monitors: Anti-Glare Coating + 1000:1 Contrast = Puke Image.
There have been impressive monitors recently that I wanted to buy, but they used AG - so I passed..
such as that 4k 40" VA 5k:1Pretty obvious they are tested with two different methodologies....
By they way, they were pretty clueless back then, now that they just bomb calman on monitors, enough BS.
Link here as they explain it
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6741/lg-29ea93-monitor-review-rev-125/3
There have been impressive monitors recently that I wanted to buy, but they used AG - so I passed..
"According to reports the screen surface is semi-glossy anti-glare which is pleasing."
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/31.htm#philips_bdm4065uc
Can you do a 40" display with no AG at all and not have a problem with reflections?
I used semi-gloss, I really hated it.
I think I could tolerate no AG on 40". I did on my 27", but what bothered me most was my forehead - which will exist on both.
In the previous page of the U2412m accuracy review, they state they "check color fidelity using the well-known Gretag Macbeth color checker chart" to obtain the uncalibrated average Delta E of 7.41 and calibrated of average Delta E of 1.71.
In the Galaxy Note 3 review, they state "in the all important Gretag Macbeth patch test, Delta-E is pretty low" and give the average Delta E of 4.62.
What did I miss that is so obvious to you?
Monitors: Anti-Glare Coating + 1000:1 Contrast = Puke Image.
The NEC 2490wuxi (you have linked Snowdog's 2009 picture of one with tape on it) had an official uncalibrated contrast ratio of 800:1, when calibrated it had contrast ratio as low as 200:1, you are looking at A-TW polarizer film not anti-glare coating, and it was considered one of the most color-accurate monitors of its time, so you managed to lie three times in one sentence.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6741/lg-29ea93-monitor-review-rev-125
Their current test suite was first used on the iPhone 5 in September 2012, but it wasn't used on desktop displays until February 2013, a year after the U2412 review.
No, it's not. My phone is displaying accurate colours than my monitor, I will say that as many times as needed, because it is the fact.
Course you can, but not in the topic which I created and you couldn't keep things civilised.
I know what accurate colours are, it's not rocket science. However the same can't be said for you at all.
Oh dear! A IPS monitor needs to be calibrated to show accurate colours? Wow! Is it really that hard to a decent calibration in factory?
Anyway, I used the Standard ICC profile which was done by TFTCentral itself.
No, not ironic, quite simple rather. He asked me not to post in my own topic where I am merely asking a question, that too in a rude way, and I simply asked him to stay out of this topic, as clearly it is wasting his time. However I get it, some people just need to troll.I also think you should stop posting here (because you're wasting your time.)
Ironic that he tells you where to not post, after asserting that he can post where he wants.
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not sure if troll
the only fact here is that you like your phone's color more than your monitor's
it's not rocket science. it's called colorimetry. i suggest you read up on it a bit
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Well if you aren't using it for professional graphic editing then IPS is second worst screen technology after TN for general usage
Especially cheap 6bit IPSes like that Dell
Especially cheap 6bit IPSes like that Dell
The answer to both of your questions is yes, but other than having been wrong about Anandtech's testing methodology (I'm not afraid to admit when I got something wrong), I'm not sure what I've done to deserve your sarcasm, so I guess I'm done here.
Had several IPS-Dipslays (gave this tech a few chances) , but could never get used to it.
Shitty blacks and IPS-Glow were the main reasons I went back to VA / A-MVA.
Imho for general usage (games/movies/coding/browsing) IPS is even worse than a decent TN, especially if you use it a lot at night or in a dark room.
Guess I'll stick to AVs until there are good and affordable OLEDs.
Shitty blacks and IPS-Glow were the main reasons I went back to VA / A-MVA.
Imho for general usage (games/movies/coding/browsing) IPS is even worse than a decent TN, especially if you use it a lot at night or in a dark room.
Guess I'll stick to AVs until there are good and affordable OLEDs.
The NEC 2490wuxi (you have linked Snowdog's 2009 picture of one with tape on it) had an official uncalibrated contrast ratio of 800:1, when calibrated it had contrast ratio as low as 200:1, you are looking at A-TW polarizer film not anti-glare coating, and it was considered one of the most color-accurate monitors of its time, so you managed to lie three times in one sentence.
Hey now, that 200 contrast was clearly something screwy in Lacie software. Mine is close to 700:1 calibrated, which in normal room lighting is nearly indistinguishable from something higher.
I bought my NEC 2490 in 2008 and I am still using it today as my only home screen, because I have yet to find anything that can match its overall capability. I will be sad when it breaks/wears out.
I have used all the main types a lot, both at work and at home. The critical drawbacks of each tech are as follows.
VA: Issues:
Response Time: Slowest updating of the technologies, more smearing/ghosting, often most input lag as well.
Contrast shift anomalies: This is the main reason I got rid of my first VA screen in the first week. Some people aren't bothered by them, but they really drove me nuts.
TN Issues:
Horrendous viewing angles: It makes solid colors look like gradients even when staring straight at the screen. Image changes up/down, side/side.
Oddly they also seem to have white glow like IPS that almost no one talks about. I have two at work and I want to burn them. Worse of the worse.
IPS issues:
White glow: This really is the main issue with IPS. At an angle dark screen areas exhibit a white glow. It is really too bad, because aside from this it is nearly the perfect LCD. Otherwise it has the most viewing angle stablity, and reasonable response times as well. This is the reason Everyone now has their own version of IPS (ex: Samsung PLS).
The weird thing is that there is a cure for IPS white glow. I know because I have it on my screen. The A-TW polarizer eliminates the glow, making IPS nearly perfect. Yet I don't think you can buy a new monitor (without crazy price) with this technology. So when my Legendary 2490 dies, I will be very sad indeed.
Funny when the saying: "They don't build them like they used to" applies to modern tech that is supposed to be improving.
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VA have terrible gamma-shift. Had several VA displays because they had supposedly better contrast ratio and despite superb results with calibration probe I had constant issues with black level, dark details and contrast ratio seemed bad. After switching to IPS all issues with dark details are gone and black is as black as it can possibly get so there is no this "if I moved a head by inch this part of image would have better contrast" nagging issue.
VA displaying black or dark grey look like blackish blob that gets brighter and brighter. Black on sides gets brighter than dark grey in the middle:
And each eye gets different blob on different location on screen which make it even worse than on this photo.
IPS on the other hand display such pictures perfectly, especially A-TW IPS.
Monitors without A-TW are for peasants
@Snowdog
EIZO have few models with filter that is analogous to A-TW
There are also those three 24" models with A-TW
24" HP DreamColor LP2480zx
24" LG W2420R
24" Quato IP240ex LED
I have LG and it is very good, best monitor I ever had or saw. They are rarely available but there is plenty of LP2480zx for good price, even cheaper than 2490WUXi
I also bought today 2090UXi so I will compare it to LG when it arrive. Not really 2490WUXi but close enough
VA displaying black or dark grey look like blackish blob that gets brighter and brighter. Black on sides gets brighter than dark grey in the middle:
And each eye gets different blob on different location on screen which make it even worse than on this photo.
IPS on the other hand display such pictures perfectly, especially A-TW IPS.
Monitors without A-TW are for peasants
@Snowdog
EIZO have few models with filter that is analogous to A-TW
There are also those three 24" models with A-TW
24" HP DreamColor LP2480zx
24" LG W2420R
24" Quato IP240ex LED
I have LG and it is very good, best monitor I ever had or saw. They are rarely available but there is plenty of LP2480zx for good price, even cheaper than 2490WUXi
I also bought today 2090UXi so I will compare it to LG when it arrive. Not really 2490WUXi but close enough
As I said no new monitors for non crazy price. AFAIK these are old, very expensive monitors in their day. Now discontinued, so that you have to buy from sketchy sources today (likely used or refurbs).
I only buy monitors that I can get within my own country, so I have some chance of straightening things out, if they go wrong.
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Applying an icc profile (actually a 1d lut) is not calibration. To calibrate, you need to take direct measurements of your own display.
This is no way to test color accuracy. The color of the actual flowers is determined by the spectral reflectance of the flowers. The color that the camera encodes the flower is determined by the spectral transmission of the camera's RGB filters, in combination with the color processing that the camera itself performs on the raw image data.
So unless the camera is a true colorimeter (device independent, that satisfies the luther-ives conditions), then you can't use your camera as a color measuring tool.
I would add that the calibration has to be performed every few months, even if the monitor comes out of the box with perfect colors it will change over time.
So yeah, applying a profile from a physically different device at some random stage of its life is no good. I don't get how someone who says being "obsessed with colors" can just disregard this.
No, also quote the whole line.
Course I do. How long did it take you to understand that? It is posted very clearly on first post!
I will, when I have the time. As I said, not everyone in the world has the time to do post purchase stuffs, also this isn't the cheapest monitor out there as well. At least a decent enough calibration should be done in factory. The factory calibration of U2412 for being a IPS panel is nothing but ridiculous.
There's no doubt about that.Well if you aren't using it for professional graphic editing then IPS is second worst screen technology after TN for general usage
Especially cheap 6bit IPSes like that Dell
I don't posses the necessary tools, I don't have the time mate.
I don't know that much, all I know that I took a shot of a blood red flower, and I wanted to see the same (or near enough) colour on my monitor, but I saw a flower with orange tint, which was not the case on my phone (it was at least red, nowhere near orange and at least comparable with the actual flower), and shockingly even the TV showed better (not that orange) colour output than the monitor.
Now if you tell me that what I saw on the monitor is the actual colour of the flower, I can't agree with you there. What is the actual colour of the flower is the one I see with my naked eye. And that's why I did that comparison. I have near perfect vision, so my test could be non-technical but I don't think it it deserves that much discredit like being mentioned here.
What sarcasm? I simply asked a question! Yeah I guess you are done, if you take a mere question as sarcasm.
I don't understand one thing, I asked a question here, why so many people are taking this personally? If I liked my mobile's display or television's display, I would have simply gone for a VA panelled one! I could have saved a little bit money too! After my job I merely get six hours to sleep, how much spare time do you guys think I really have? I don't think it's a dream expectation to expect an acceptable enough factory calibration, especially when the monitor is not particularly cheap! Darn!
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What are you trying to pull there? I don't understand what that time stamp means!
The unfortunate truth is that you can either spend the time to learn and the money on correct tools, or you can deal with the limitations of factory calibration. Nobody is going to wave a magic wand and make things perfect for you, because it is not technically possible unless you purchase a professional monitor with an integrated calibration device (and enjoy spending professional quantities of dosh for the privileged).
If you person preference is for oversaturated but inaccurate colour, then you would be better served by purchasing a wide-gamut monitor and treating it as sRGB. All colour will then be highly saturated.
Because you don't suffer from the weird contrast shifts when you are sitting 10 feet away on your couch.
Now why do you think nearly ever single phone/tablet LCD panel is IPS?
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm
DE Average out of the box: 3.2
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm
DE Average out of the box sRGB mode: 1.5
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2415.htm
DE Average out of the box: 2.2
Dell Ultrasharps are all very good out of the box and improving as time goes by.
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What are you trying to pull there? I don't understand what that time stamp means!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture)
Wide gamut comes in many favor, and with high end eizo/nec, you can control exactly its gamut.
New video standard and new TV(OLED, quantum dot) are all pushing for wide gamut.
It's all depend on one's need.
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All i'm saying is this:
even if the colors matched perfectly (between what you saw with your naked eye, and what the image you took with your camera looked like), that wouldn't mean that your display has accurate colors.
That said, if content on your display consistently looks "off" from what you think it should, then that is a sign of poor color accuracy. Flesh tones are a good test for this.
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