iPhone 4 Specs?

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ThroatyStang

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I know it is going to have the A4 processor but no clock speeds have been released and knowing Apple they probably down-clocked it from 1GHZ to save power. In addition the ram specs havent been released either, I'm guessing 512mb but who knows. Ive been checking Engadget and Gizmodo and no one have the info yet, for whatever reason.
 
I would hazard to say it's an "iPad mini" with cellular phone capability and not just the data plan... same basic hardware as the iPad, same CPU, pretty much the same graphics capability as well, and the battery life looks like a spot on match across the board (at least as far as the two devices can be actually compared).

We'll know more in the coming weeks, and I'm sure iFixit will have a teardown of an iPhone 4 within a few hours of it being available for purchase.
 
Bahamut said:
I would hazard to say it's an "iPad mini" with cellular phone capability and not just the data plan... same basic hardware as the iPad, same CPU, pretty much the same graphics capability as well, and the battery life looks like a spot on match across the board (at least as far as the two devices can be actually compared).

We'll know more in the coming weeks, and I'm sure iFixit will have a teardown of an iPhone 4 within a few hours of it being available for purchase.
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Yah I really just dont want to wait for them to take it apart :)
 
But...can it do at least the 90 million triangles per second the Samsung Galaxy S phone does?

I think I just answered my own question, the A4 processor is identical to the snapdragon, and it only does like 20 million triangles per second.
 
BBA said:
But...can it do at least the 90 million triangles per second the Samsung Galaxy S phone does?

I think I just answered my own question, the A4 processor is identical to the snapdragon, and it only does like 20 million triangles per second.
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Glad to know. But what good is a processor without any good games?

Having said that, the iPhone 4 is basically a mini-iPad. Last tear down/leak said 1Ghz A4, 256RAM.
 
EQTakeOffense said:
Glad to know. But what good is a processor without any good games?

Having said that, the iPhone 4 is basically a mini-iPad. Last tear down/leak said 1Ghz A4, 256RAM.
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I cant believe they didnt upgrade it to 512MB do you have a link to those specs?
 
Why would they need to alter it and increase the RAM? The iPad seems to do pretty damned well with 256MB from all reports...
 
ThroatyStang said:
To compete with the EVO 4G/Nexus One and all the new phones coming out this year.
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Apple doesn't give a shit about other products, other companies, and with the recently announced market share that will continue to rise with the release of the iPhone 4, that kind of ancient thinking isn't going to get you very far. ;)

Apple doesn't compete with anybody - everybody competes with Apple.

They've made 3 phones in 3 years with the 4th phone about to hit - that's 28% market share in ~3 years with 3 phones. Contrast that with RIM's 35% market share built up over the past decade and primarily because of BlackBerry devices/phones - how many different BlackBerry devices/phones have been created since the iPhone first appeared in June 2007?

Dozens upon dozens... and still only 35% after nearly a decade.

Apple has no competition, seriously, they don't. They do what they want to do and people apparently - based on the market share - find that to be enough. At least the 28% of the market does... and I fully expect that to hit 40% by the time the iPhone 5 comes out in about a year... maybe even more.
 
Bahamut said:
They've made 3 phones in 3 years with the 4th phone about to hit - that's 28% market share in ~3 years with 3 phones. Contrast that with RIM's 35% market share built up over the past decade and primarily because of BlackBerry devices/phones - how many different BlackBerry devices/phones have been created since the iPhone first appeared in June 2007?

Dozens upon dozens... and still only 35% after nearly a decade.
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lol wut? "dozens upon dozens"? Try half a dozen:

Perl, Curve, Bold, Tour, Storm, Storm2

And the Perl and Curve both came out *before* the original iPhone, so if you only look at models since the iPhone you're down to 4 models.

Apple has no competition, seriously, they don't. They do what they want to do and people apparently - based on the market share - find that to be enough. At least the 28% of the market does... and I fully expect that to hit 40% by the time the iPhone 5 comes out in about a year... maybe even more.
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Of course they do. Android has recently surpassed the iPhone in monthly sales. Android's growth rate has *exploded* over the past couple of months.

And iPhone's market share is only in the smartphone market, which is positively tiny compared to the number of BREW and J2ME phones out there.

The iPhone has sold 50 million units. The Motorola Razr? 110 million.
 
Ok, then we'll make the most basic comparison possible since you missed the point:

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Just as the iPhone is one model, the iPhone 3G is another, and the iPhone 3GS is another, each of those listed in the images above is a unique device, and there's 38 of 'em - that qualifies as 3 dozen so, I guess I was a bit overboard with the dozens of dozens thing, my apologies.

The point still holds: RIM has been at this thing for a very long time overall and has a multitude of devices that show up as 35% market share built up over their entire history. They didn't suddenly release a phone a few years ago and wham, 35% - that 35% is pretty much everything RIM has a hand in related to the BlackBerry brand and data infrastructure.

Dozens.

Apple has 3 devices in 3 years and takes a quarter of the market share overall. They walked in and said "Ok, this is how it's done" and wham... quarter of the market in 3 years, that's fucking hugely significant. Unbelievably significant.

As for the Android thing, again - how many Android devices/phones exist out there, how many come out nearly every damned week? Contrast that with 3 phones in 3 years taking 25% of the entire market....

Are you just blind or what? I can name 15 Android phones off the top of my head that just came out in the last year, and while Android is growing fast, it's growing fast because of saturation - multiple devices from multiple manufacturers.

And Apple has 3 phones, released ~1 year apart, and 1 more about to drop that'll yank in even more market share.

So, my original contention is still accurate: dozens and dozens of devices overall competing against 3 soon to be 4 and... well, if you can't figure it out from that something is seriously wrong.
 
Bahamut said:
Ok, then we'll make the most basic comparison possible since you missed the point:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2016/currentblackberry.png and http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3793/pastdecade.png

Just as the iPhone is one model, the iPhone 3G is another, and the iPhone 3GS is another, each of those listed in the images above is a unique device, and there's 38 of 'em - that qualifies as 3 dozen so, I guess I was a bit overboard with the dozens of dozens thing, my apologies.

The point still holds: RIM has been at this thing for a very long time overall and has a multitude of devices that show up as 35% market share built up over their entire history. They didn't suddenly release a phone a few years ago and wham, 35% - that 35% is pretty much everything RIM has a hand in related to the BlackBerry brand and data infrastructure.

Dozens.
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Not so much. Those different models correspond to different things like different locations and networks, not to mention simply newer revisions of the same phone without any major hardware changes that weren't advertised or sold as new models. The iPhone did the same thing. You aren't counting things like the 8gb, 16gb, and 32gb models of the original iPhone as 3 different models, so you can't do that to Blackberry either.

So not dozens, 6 at most, 4 for your original claim.

Apple has 3 devices in 3 years and takes a quarter of the market share overall. They walked in and said "Ok, this is how it's done" and wham... quarter of the market in 3 years, that's fucking hugely significant. Unbelievably significant.
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Significant? No. Impressive? Maybe.

Motorola came out with the Razr, and *boom*, sold 110 million phones. Was that significant? Fuck no it wasn't.

Also, the iPhone doesn't have a quarter of the market, not even close. It has a quarter of the *smartphone* market.

As for the Android thing, again - how many Android devices/phones exist out there, how many come out nearly every damned week? Contrast that with 3 phones in 3 years taking 25% of the entire market....

Are you just blind or what? I can name 15 Android phones off the top of my head that just came out in the last year, and while Android is growing fast, it's growing fast because of saturation - multiple devices from multiple manufacturers.

And Apple has 3 phones, released ~1 year apart, and 1 more about to drop that'll yank in even more market share.

So, my original contention is still accurate: dozens and dozens of devices overall competing against 3 soon to be 4 and... well, if you can't figure it out from that something is seriously wrong.
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And you're point is what? That the iPhone is better because it has worse hardware? People buy a phone primarily based off what OS it runs, and the hardware a distant second aside from major differences like a hardware keyboard. Its Android vs. iOS. The number of hardware models is largely irrelevant. People are buying more Android than they are iOS. Thus, there is a surge of people who are liking Android more than iOS.
 
Bahamut said:
Apple doesn't compete with anybody - everybody competes with Apple.
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Let's see, when was Apple ever trying to not convice someone they were better than MS? For not competing, they sure seem to be concerned about it.

Ironically, I don't recall seeing MS making any TV commercials saying Windows is better than appl's os.
 
Only time I've ever seen Microsoft even mention Apple in an ad - and it's not Microsoft actually saying it, mind you - is one of the "I'm A PC" laptop hunter ads, I think the very first one, where the girl goes to look at the MacBooks and likes them (at face value) but makes the comment about them being so expensive she could never get one.

My understanding has always been if you have a good product, a truly good product, you'll never have a need to:

a) compare it to anything else, ever
b) mention the competition or their products in your own marketing, ever
c) lie about it to make it sound better than it actually is, ever

Amazingly, Apple seems to be the one company that violates all three of those principles with every single product or thing they create and sell... and it works for 'em. How weird is that?

But anyway...

The iPhone 4 = iPad mini with real phone circuitry in it, and most likely the CPU will be down-clocked to around 800 MHz, potentially less. There's no way they're going to be using the exact same CPU as the iPad - and I do mean the exact same CPU - and couple that with a battery that's so much smaller (say 1/5th the capacity according to what iFixit discovered in their teardown) and still get the same type of battery life/run-time even in spite of the smaller LCD with the higher resolution.

It's gotta be running at a lower speed unless something "magical" was sprinkled on it during manufacturing for it to be able to offer comparable video playback battery life, etc.
 
Bahamut said:
It's gotta be running at a lower speed unless something "magical" was sprinkled on it during manufacturing for it to be able to offer comparable video playback battery life, etc.
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Job's did say it was a 'magical' device, lol.
 
Bahamut said:
The iPhone 4 = iPad mini with real phone circuitry in it, and most likely the CPU will be down-clocked to around 800 MHz, potentially less. There's no way they're going to be using the exact same CPU as the iPad - and I do mean the exact same CPU - and couple that with a battery that's so much smaller (say 1/5th the capacity according to what iFixit discovered in their teardown) and still get the same type of battery life/run-time even in spite of the smaller LCD with the higher resolution.
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There isn't any reason for them to downclock it. The Coretex A-8 runs comfortably at 1ghz in a half dozen Android phones, no reason it wouldn't in the iPhone 4. Likewise, it most likely is the exact same CPU as the iPad. The Nexus One packs a slightly more powerful package (specifically, it has double the RAM). The A4 uses the same GPU as the iPhone 3GS, so no worries about that not working in a phone.

Which is one of the reasons the iPad kept getting called a giant ipod. It was literally running smartphone/ipod level guts. It is completely unsurprising that Apple would take the iPad's guts and shove it in a phone. If you look at a breakdown of the iPad, you'll see that the motherboard, cpu, etc... can all easily fit into a smartphone package.

It's gotta be running at a lower speed unless something "magical" was sprinkled on it during manufacturing for it to be able to offer comparable video playback battery life, etc.
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That something magical is a much smaller screen. Screens are what eat up the most battery life, not CPU speed. CPU speed is a drop in the bucket, as it were. I've overclocked my Droid from 550mhz to a low voltage 1ghz kernel. My battery life? Completely unchanged. Its actually *improved* since the custom ROM had some other tweaks (wifi scan times, that sort of thing), but not by a meaningful amount.
 
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