Introducing YouTube HTML5 Supported Videos

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YouTube is trying out a new HTML5-based video player and they want you to give it a try. Hmmm, let’s see, videos that don’t require Adobe's Flashplayer plug-in? Where do I sign up?

HTML5 is a new web standard that is gaining popularity rapidly and adds many new features to your web experience. Most notably for YouTube users, HTML5 includes support for video and audio playback. This means that users with an HTML5 compatible browser, and support for the proper audio and video codecs can watch a video without needing to download a browser plugin.
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That pretty crap that Firefox isn't supported, I tried it anyway with FF3.6 RC2 and just get an error message. Firefox is supposed to support HTML5. Is this a Google thing specifically blocking it due to Chrome competition?
 
Ill have to try this on FF when I get home. I do have chrome, but Id rather see if FF can get it to work. It could just be HTML5 is supported but not implemented all the way.
 
Interesting that Firefox does not support it, yet. We'll see how flash works with Ubuntu + Chrome!
 
Menelmarar said:
That pretty crap that Firefox isn't supported, I tried it anyway with FF3.6 RC2 and just get an error message. Firefox is supposed to support HTML5. Is this a Google thing specifically blocking it due to Chrome competition?
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No, the problem stems from the codecs, the <video> tag supports multiple codecs (much like the <img> tag supports jpg, png, gif etc)

Youtube uses h.264 which is royalty based, which open source firefox cannot support. There is a push for Youtube to go with Theora/Ogg (which is of course open source) but that is gaining no ground even though there are strong arguments for it.
http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html

Here's a good quote

It's ironic that the "number one request" for youtube says this:

"Support HTML5 open web video with open formats"

and it's done with mpeg4, which is not an open format.

I realize it's early in this feature but given that the licensing for mpeg4 isn't compatible with the royalty-free requirements of web standards, why talk about standards at all?

At this point it's a proprietary Chrome and Apple extension to the web, much like Flash is Adobe's proprietary extension to the web.
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The only 2 browsers which have h.264 support currently are Chrome and Safari.
The only 2 browsers which currently do not have Theora support are Safari and IE.

There are also hopes that Google ends up buying On2 and releasing VP8 as open source.
 
I wonder how it's efficiency is compared to flash? And if it's possible to for GPUs to handle the decoding.
 
Nobody can agree on an open standard for HTML5 video. I'm guessing that everyone will just stick to Flash because nobody wants to deal with supporting multiple codecs. The best that we can hope for is that there will be plugins for all the major browsers that don't support whatever codec dominates.
 
Doesn't work in Iron3 (Chrome3) and Firefox 3.6rc2. Both browsers that support the <video> element for HTML5. Looks like Google is intentionally blocking browsers they don't approve of...
 
JediFonger said:
video can't be streamed via an 'open format' cause of all of the copyright peepz.
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Uh, no. The copyright "peepz" don't care if its an open or closed format.

niconx said:
Doesn't work in Iron3 (Chrome3) and Firefox 3.6rc2. Both browsers that support the <video> element for HTML5. Looks like Google is intentionally blocking browsers they don't approve of...
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No, its just that neither of those browsers support the codec used. Had YouTube used theora instead of h.264, both of those browsers would have played it just fine.
 
Testing it on the crappy .2.8ghz P4 at my work. Still loads the CPU up pretty badly if there is much going on in the video.
 
kllrnohj said:
No, its just that neither of those browsers support the codec used. Had YouTube used theora instead of h.264, both of those browsers would have played it just fine.
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Iron3 is Chrome3, it is from the same source, only they removed the Google spying technology. So h.264 has some special commercial license thus it was not included in Iron3? Why are they calling it an open standard then? I'm lost. :(
 
I signed up for this and the video pages have a new layout, which is clean and fast but the actual video itself looks the same as always. Right clicking it brings up 'settings' and 'about Flash Player 10'?
 
Loaded to about 20% on my computer... and flash loads up to 15%... so there is not really any progress made here...
 
ok guys, heres a link to that video IN HTML5 format. heres a link to a site for finding any youtube video in HTML5 format. so far i confirmed that it works on Chrome, and doesnt work on IE or FF.
 
So, is the browser (crome in this case) actually decoding the video? Its not passing it off to some already installed codec somewhere else? Please tell me page viewing and the actual video decoding are decoupled.
 
firefox supports HTML5 its friggin google forcing it to not work.. FF has had html5 support since v3.1
 
h.264 is not open so YouTube HTML5 video is not open. The browser needs more than HTML5 support for this feature to work, it needs separate h.264 support also. So why did YouTube adopt this closed standard and then call it open? Simple, YouTube wants people to use Chrome instead of Firefox or even Iron. This is a marketing move to boost Chrome usage so that Google can boost the spying that Chrome does on it's users.
 
ekuest said:
ok guys, heres a link to that video IN HTML5 format. heres a link to a site for finding any youtube video in HTML5 format. so far i confirmed that it works on Chrome, and doesnt work on IE or FF.
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Yeah even with ChromeFrames installed for IE despite their claims that it'll work. I understand it's a licensing issue but still, I can see Microsoft and Apple crying foul since Flash YouTube works just fine in all browsers and HTML5 is forcing users to chose Chrome.
 
Works great here on Safari and Chrome. I can't wait until HTML5 is standard, I'll be able to ditch Flash video for my website.
 
Azhar said:
Yeah even with ChromeFrames installed for IE despite their claims that it'll work. I understand it's a licensing issue but still, I can see Microsoft and Apple crying foul since Flash YouTube works just fine in all browsers and HTML5 is forcing users to chose Chrome.
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The house of Jobs will not be happy. The odd thing is that on this page http://www.youtube.com/html5 it says Safari 4 is a supported browser.
 
Serpico said:
Works great here on Safari and Chrome. I can't wait until HTML5 is standard, I'll be able to ditch Flash video for my website.
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It works on your Safari? I just installed Safari 4 and it does not work for me. I get the same err in Firefox and Iron, Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available. Are you doing this on a Mac?
 
mrpawick said:
Interesting that Firefox does not support it, yet. We'll see how flash works with Ubuntu + Chrome!
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Its not the Firefox doesn't support it
Its that YouTube have for some anal reason blocked Firefox. FF was one of the 1st browser to get html5 support

Eitherway it will come and I look forward to it. Flash just takes too much CPU time, offloading to mplayer (which then uses my GPU) is a bonus
 
niconx said:
It works on your Safari? I just installed Safari 4 and it does not work for me. I get the same err in Firefox and Iron, Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available. Are you doing this on a Mac?
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Yes, this is Safari 4 on OS X, works fine. Safari on Windows doesn't seem to work, it just hangs on the load screen, while Chrome on WIndows and OS X both work.
 
ekuest said:
ok guys, heres a link to that video IN HTML5 format. heres a link to a site for finding any youtube video in HTML5 format. so far i confirmed that it works on Chrome, and doesnt work on IE or FF.
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Using IE8 and Windows 7, simply doenst work
at all for me.
 
Google isn't blocking Firefox. Firefox doesn't have a license for the h.264 codec. HTML5 video works great in Firefox when the Ogg Theroa codec is used. Wikimedia uses that setup.
 
Yup, I believe Dailymotion also uses Ogg/Theoris with HTML5

Anyways... h.264 and YouTube is not a magic new thing......
If I recall correctly Apple had a influencing hand in getting YouTube to implement h.264 so that iPhone, etc. Could use the site.

Of course Google will support h.264 in Chrome, and Apple will support h.264 in Safari, one owns YouTube, and the other has made investments in it.

Both use forks of Webkit. We can thank Apple for supplying code to KHTML fellows, who thankfully eventually implemented the the contributions to their source tree, which gives us the splendors of Webkit (hi Chrome, and hello Safari).

Now if everyone is going to whine and bicker and bitch about Mozillia choosing not to support h.264, well they can do what ever they want. Its a corperate decision. Bitch to Mozillia, not at Google.

Websites are free to choose what video codec they'll stream their goods in.

The real problem is, quite frankly, the HTML5 standards peeps. They basically screwed the whole idea, by not setting a precidence by stating a standard baseline video codec.

Anyways....... I really don't care THAT much.

We had a video tag before.
It was <embed>
It worked well.
It used the codecs on your system.
You could, play, pause, fast forward, etc.
Man those were the days.


ramble
 
If you haven't been to the page where you opt into the beta the video will play fine. For alot of us that have opted into the beta seem to be getting the blackscreen error. Once I opted out the video ran fine.
http://www.youtube.com/html5
Here is the page to opt in to the beta. For those saying the videos are playing fine please try playing them after enabling the HTML5 beta.
 
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