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Is this the best CPU right now?

Would this be a good option to run multiple Wordpress and a Prestashop sites with multiple MySQL databases in the background?

What would be a good price for this chip?

What would be a good motherboard for this? Can I use a consumer board with it?

Was thinking this: http://www.asus.com/uk/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/Z10PED8_WS/
Then I could always use it to scale to a 2nd CPU if required, or use for gaming later on if no used as a server.

Or should I go with a server motherboard like this one: http://www.asus.com/uk/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/Z10PAD8/

This would be for a small home business.
 
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You could run a WordPress / Prestashop site on a Macbook Air. I don't know exactly what you're doing with those databases but it sounds like this CPU would be complete overkill for what you need.
 
SpeedyVV said:
Is this the best CPU right now?

Would this be a good option to run some Wordpress and a Prestashop site with some MySQL databases in the background?

What would be a good price for this chip?

What would be a good motherboard for this? Can I use a consumer board with it?

Was thinking this: http://www.asus.com/uk/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/Z10PED8_WS/
Then I could always use it to scale to a 2nd CPU if required, or use for gaming later on if no used as a server.

Or should I go with a server motherboard like this one: http://www.asus.com/uk/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/Z10PAD8/

This would be for a small home business.
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That would be WAY overkill for what you are saying you are going to use it for.

You could probably get away with a E3-1230 v3, 32GB ECC DDR3 on a supermicro MBD-X10SLM. The cost of the system would be probably 1/4 of just that processor.
 
Sorry, I should say siteS and in many of them.

I considered using less cores, but was thinking that I could run a lot more instances using this CPU and thus saving on Power cost in the UK which are quite high, and also on shared components.

Space is also another issue for me.
 
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How many sites? Are you running a web hosting service?

You could definitely serve up a lot of concurrent requests on this chip, but it's more likely your memory and disk IO wouldn't be able to keep it fed. Like, the rest of your system would be a weak link before your chip was, unless you're running multiple network interfaces, RAID, etc.

IMO you'd be better off saving money and going with a six or 8 core chip.
 
Zinn said:
How many sites? Are you running a web hosting service?

You could definitely serve up a lot of concurrent requests on this chip, but it's more likely your memory and disk IO wouldn't be able to keep it fed. Like, the rest of your system would be a weak link before your chip was, unless you're running multiple network interfaces, RAID, etc.

IMO you'd be better off saving money and going with a six or 8 core chip.
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Yes, I am running kind of a web hosting service. "specialty" sites for customer that do not want them hosted elsewhere.
 
Ah I see. Assuming the rest of your hardware is up to snuff, you could run a pretty gnarly hosting setup off this chip. But you would probably want at least two mirrored servers and a hardware load balancer, so you can make rolling system updates without taking your whole service down. So I would recommend cheaper CPUs and multiple servers for what you're describing.
 
Zinn said:
Ah I see. Assuming the rest of your hardware is up to snuff, you could run a pretty gnarly hosting setup off this chip. But you would probably want at least two mirrored servers and a hardware load balancer, so you can make rolling system updates without taking your whole service down. So I would recommend cheaper CPUs and multiple servers for what you're describing.
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For that I already have and 8 core server.

To be clear, I am not trying to optimise the costs here.

Just thinking that if I just blow a couple of grand on this CPU I wont have to worry about it for while CPU wise... just scale disc and memory as required.

Time to manage and worry about stuff, is what I am trying to minimise.

Let's for the sake of argument say that if in the next 3 years, not having to worry about another machine or CPU saves me 3 days of labour then it pays for the CPU.

Not to mention that if I have lots of CPU cycles less, I can use that to run other VM services.
 
Seems like a good pick then. This chip would be future proof for many years.

Would recommend a workstation or server board and hardware RAID though. If your goal is to save maintenance headaches, then being able to run ECC memory could really help. Same deal with RAID 5.
 
So, my original question still holds:

Is this the best CPU right now?

Don't be too technical here... this is just to tell my customers that it is running on the best processor in the market. Purely a marketing reply, but it want to tell the truth (ish)
 
Zinn said:
Seems like a good pick then. This chip would be future proof for many years.

Would recommend a workstation or server board and hardware RAID though. If your goal is to save maintenance headaches, then being able to run ECC memory could really help. Same deal with RAID 5.
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Any recommendations? I listed a couple above, but would love a RAID hw recommendation, hdd/ssd (I assume they should be SAS Enterprise?).
 
SpeedyVV said:
Is this the best CPU right now?
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That's like asking if a Porsche Cayenne Turbo is the best motor vehicle in the market. Maybe an Audi R8 would be better for people who like driving on a track. Maybe a Ford F150 would be better for people who haul stuff.

The Xeon E5 2699 V3 is the best 18-core chip on the market right now, but there's no such thing as an absolute "best." It is all subjective to intended use. Even some server applications can benefit from a faster chip with less cores. And you surely wouldn't want to play games on it.

Even with your expected use case of running a server, it may not be true to call it the "best" chip. Sure it would be a great chip, but if you're only using 40% of it at any point, your customers would have been better served with a faster clock speed and less cores. But will it make any noticeable experience in performance benchmarks people could run against your server? Probably not.

If you want to tell your customers that you purchased the most expensive, cutting edge chip available, then you wouldn't be lying. But if you just said "best" and your customers aren't idiots, it could make you look silly.
 
My customers are much much smarter than I am... and they have lots of hard earned money to prove it.

They are just not computer people... they say things like "for what we are paying you, you better be running the best hardware there is."...

If you want to tell your customers that you purchased the most expensive, cutting edge chip available
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That is exactly the kind of stuff they like hearing. You see, their kids drive R8s.
 
SpeedyVV said:
My customers are much much smarter than I am... and they have lots of hard earned money to prove it.

They are just not computer people... they say things like "for what we are paying you, you better be running the best hardware there is."...



That is exactly the kind of stuff they like hearing. You see, their kids drive R8s.
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How many MySQL servers are you running? what kind of load will be on them?

You might be better off with slightly less cores that are clocked higher etc..
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
How many MySQL servers are you running? what kind of load will be on them?

You might be better off with slightly less cores that are clocked higher etc..
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Right now I need about 12 separate MySQL servers.

Reason being is each customer HAS to have their own VM.
 
Yeah, I second that. Especially for running lots of isolated VMs. It's the best!
 
Well, here she is:

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Parts I am thinking of ordering, opinions?

- Asus Z10PE-D8 WS
- No idea on RAM, but the QVL for the mobo is Samsung 8GB DDR4-2133 ECC/REG CL15 Samsung K4A4G045WD-BCPB
- Might get 2 SSD + 2 HHD of the SATA kind for now, and then look at a SAS/SAN solution later.
- Suggestion for PSU?

I might post a link in General Hardware later if there is no input here.
 
SpeedyVV said:
My customers are much much smarter than I am... and they have lots of hard earned money to prove it.

They are just not computer people... they say things like "for what we are paying you, you better be running the best hardware there is."...



That is exactly the kind of stuff they like hearing. You see, their kids drive R8s.
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Then you don't build one server. You build a cluster. You are planning to do that, right?
 
SpeedyVV said:
- No idea on RAM, but the QVL for the mobo is Samsung 8GB DDR4-2133 ECC/REG CL15 Samsung K4A4G045WD-BCPB
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Crucial 4x16GB= 64GB Kit DDR4-2133 CL15 CT4C16G4RFD4213 works fine with my 8 core Xeon v3. Bigger RAM sticks are better just in case to pack more RAM.
 
Not all the workloads in MySQL are optimized for multiple cores. Queries will only use one core at the time for example. You would've been better off buying a CPU with less cores but higher frequency per cores.

For MySQL, having enough RAM to store the active dataset and fast storage for writes is way more important than the CPU.
 
U HAX0R said:
Not all the workloads in MySQL are optimized for multiple cores. Queries will only use one core at the time for example. You would've been better off buying a CPU with less cores but higher frequency per cores.

For MySQL, having enough RAM to store the active dataset and fast storage for writes is way more important than the CPU.
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He will be running multiple MySQL servers across multiple VMs.
 
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