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Intel Testing Consumer Opinions on Touchscreen Interface

i would buy one. reason for using a touch screen really is when you are having a cup of tea, eating and you really dont want to use the stupid track pad. But for work, a mouse plugged in would be much more productive.
 
I actually did a poll for this and Speaking for the other Transformer users. After using the Asus Transformer w/ Dock, which is basically a netbook. Even tho it's the only touch screen laptop we have, we've gotten so used to it that atleast 95% of the people that had the dock option ended up poking our laptops. Some actually tried scrolling their desktops with their finger XD

Some of the comments are about how counter intuitive it would be to reach for the screen when you have a mouse or keypad. However, as a guy that constantly does revisions on the interface of the programs i made for a previous company. That line of thinking actually applies to the mouse and keyboard as well.

General rule is that when you made your user use a mouse, do not force him to let go of the mouse. Make all the common functions as buttons or hotzones placed in such a way as to keep him from letting go. Likewise, if your user is on the keyboard, if your user is constantly looking down to hunt for the key, your GUI is a fail. And if you are constantly making your user switch between mouse and keyboard (which also makes him constantly look down to orient his hands), that is the ultimate GUI fail.

That's why Win7 is a great productivity OS compared to the older ones, you can minimize, switch applications, move a window between multiple monitors, tile them on any monitor, maximize, etc. and then switch back to the original program and continue typing, without your hands ever leaving the keyboard.

Anyway, the point is, mouse and keyboard are also considered as separate entities that are used as combo.

Keyboard + Keyboard
Keyboard + Mouse
Keyboard + Stylus
Keyboard + TouchScreen
Keyboard + Trackpad

You do not do a Mouse+TouchScreen combo, in much the same way you don't do a Mouse+Trackpad combo.

Enlightend said:
I've had a eee T91 for a few years now and I barely ever use the touchscreen for that, unless to pauze a YT video.

For actual laptops, I'm thinking its the same thing, you'll use touch maybe 2-3 times a week (if you use the laptop daily), but outside that, moving from keyboard to stretching out to touch the screen has little use.

And about using trackpad. Bwah, some "vocal" people bitch about it, I never had a problem with it, actually find it quicker and more useful then a mouse. Travel distance between keyboard/trackpad is the smallest you can have, mouse and touchscreen a way longer distances.
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Try using an Asus Transformer. I actually looked into that when i was planning on buying a netbook and i know it only has a resistive screen. After using different tablets and phones, the difference between a resistive and capacitive is pretty significant on how you use a device, as well as the interface itself. The T91 is a WinXP device, the one demoed here is a Win8, which makes applications that are pretty close to touch functionality to what the Transformer has. A T91 is not a fair comparison to a laptop with Win8.





BTW, i don't think she's actually used to working with a touch screen. Because when i'm using the one on the Transformer, when alternating between the touch screen and keyboard, i flick the screen very lightly with my fingertip and that's enough to make it scroll or select an item. I do NOT do any twisting or contorting *AT ALL*. You do not have to exaggerately (spell check) raise your elbows, nor is it in any way strenous. After you tap, your hand just goes back down to rest on the keyboard, you are *NOT* holding it up for hours at a time.

Look at your hands on the keyboard, raise your palm one inch, and then straighten out your fingertip. You are now ready to select whatever's on screen. No pressure needed at all, just a flick and you can put your hand back down on the keyboard and continue typing. This way is actually faster and more convenient than reaching all the way to the side of the keyboard for the mouse, and then jerking it around so you can find your cursor so you can drag it to the icon.


PS: Looking at the video again, i notice she has her hands always resting on the sides of the laptop. When i'm using any laptop (any laptop, not just the transformer), my hands are resting *ON* the keyboard. Right below the screen. And reaching for it is done with the middle finger. You do not make a pointing gesture or anything. Just raise your hand, move it forward a bit, and you've selected an icon when your middle finger (the outer most appendage) touches the screen. No need to curl your fingers (they're already semi curled when in a rest position on the keyboard).
 
Seventyfive said:
I don't know if i trust anything coming from a person that types using the "hunt and peck" method. UE manager and she can't touch type? Are you freakin kidding me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKMAVA4bUWM&t=1m32s
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Yeah I noticed the 2 finger typing, lol.

But yeah, I maintain that touch is shit for 95% of uses. There are a few uses that I think they're great for, I've used them for making lecture slides for a lecture where I didn't want to manually type out equations and draw complicated diagrams, so just drew them by hand on the touchscreen instead. So if a laptop had a touchscreen, but still maintained the keyboard, the trackpad and the option for a mouse and cost no extra, yeah sure, I'd be down for that.

I'm no trackpad fan, but I don't see the fascination with touch interfaces. Just look at the chick using the touch screen, she has to hold her whole arm out and swipe across the screen and reach further to do things, it looks a lot LESS ergonomic than just using a trackpad or mouse. It makes sense on a phone, but anything netbook size and larger, I'm not seeing the benefit.

Here's hoping people turn away from touch so we can get back to our good old more efficient interfacing methods ;)
 
Tudz said:
I'm no trackpad fan, but I don't see the fascination with touch interfaces. Just look at the chick using the touch screen, she has to hold her whole arm out and swipe across the screen and reach further to do things, it looks a lot LESS ergonomic than just using a trackpad or mouse.
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Read my post above yours. We've been doing it on the Transformer which is about netbook sized (Actually, it's bigger than my other netbooks) for months now. You don't have to swipe with your entire arm, what she's doing is an over exaggeration.

If you've actually used a touchscreen based clamshell, you'll quickly realize that you

Maybe i should make a video of how a keyboard is used in conjunction with a touchscreen (The way shown on the video is NOT how we use it). It's easier and faster to navigate with a keyboard+touchscreen combo than it is with a keyboard+mouse.

Remember that even when using a keyboard+mouse combo, you don't actually have your hand on your mouse all the time. To click an icon on screen, your hand moves away from the keyboard area to grab the mouse.

With a Keyboard+Touchscreen combo. You're hand never leaves the keyboard area even when you're navigating the screen. When i'm using it on mine, my right hand is still above the "UIOP" of the keyboard even when i'm moving around the OS.
 
Crap, clicked the post too soon.

If you've actually used a touchscreen based clamshell, you'll quickly realize that you don't have to move your entire arm to control the screen most of the time. You're elbows stay at your side, you don't flap them around like a chicken like the woman on the video is doing.
 
Yeah I admit the chick is doing it more awkwardly than she has to do it, but none the less, I think a trackpad or mouse is better ergonomically and if I were using it for any serious amount of time I'd keep away from touch.
 
fingerprints just ruin the whole touch screen thing


what's the point of beautiful screens smeared with french fry fingers?
 
Putz said:
fingerprints just ruin the whole touch screen thing


what's the point of beautiful screens smeared with french fry fingers?
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I will admit I'm one of those people that absolutely HATE it when people touch my nice clean screen and leave their smears all over it, then it'll annoy me every time the screen is a colour where I can see them. YOU CAN POINT TO SOMETHING WITHOUT TOUCHING IT PEOPLE!! I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE POINTING WITHOUT YOU PHYSICALLY GRIMING UP MY MONITOR.

Sorry, pet hate :p
 
SuperSubZero said:
Did anyone else count the number of times a user touched the screen and nothing happened?
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OH MY GOSH thank you for also noticing that! I'm VERY scared now about the touch responsiveness of this hardware with Win8.... With my Ipad2 I have NEVER touched and had it not resond... EVER.
 
lilbabycat said:
Microsoft researchers, finding ways to reduce workplace productivity!

At 3:10 she talks about people not touching too hard to move the screen, then the frame changes to her touching the screen and it moving. What's gonna happen on a laptop that has a hinge with some mileage on it ?
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I also noticed that too... pretty funny.
 
Touchscreen laptop is fine as long as they don't jack up the price too much and also leave in the touchpad.

Touchscreen monitor for desktop PC? No thanks.
 
Grimmda said:
OH MY GOSH thank you for also noticing that! I'm VERY scared now about the touch responsiveness of this hardware with Win8.... With my Ipad2 I have NEVER touched and had it not resond... EVER.
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I guess it depends on the tech used for the touch interface. I'm using windows 8 CP and my monitor is an optical touchscreen and I have to say it is pretty accurate in registering the movements I make. The resistive and capacitive touchscreens seem to not be as accurate in my opinion.
 
Grimmda said:
OH MY GOSH thank you for also noticing that! I'm VERY scared now about the touch responsiveness of this hardware with Win8.... With my Ipad2 I have NEVER touched and had it not resond... EVER.
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Not all hardware and drivers are created equal. I have three different touch screen devices running Windows 8 that were of course originally running Windows 7 and the touch responsiveness isn't quite perfect except on my Samsung Series 7 Slate. Samsung and Microsoft have just recently updated the touch screen firmware on the S7S and the touch responsiveness on it is now quite excellent. Touch web browsing on the S7S versus the new iPad is interesting, the S7S actually feels a tab bit faster and more responsive actually. Of course this an x86 Core i5 which much lower resolution than the new iPad so I wouldn't be able to extrapolate anything from this experience to lesser machines like Windows ARM machines but I think that Microsoft is very sensitive to the issue of good hardware and touch hardware does have to meet an number of requirements to recieve Windows 8 certification.
 
Tudz said:
I will admit I'm one of those people that absolutely HATE it when people touch my nice clean screen and leave their smears all over it, then it'll annoy me every time the screen is a colour where I can see them. YOU CAN POINT TO SOMETHING WITHOUT TOUCHING IT PEOPLE!! I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE POINTING WITHOUT YOU PHYSICALLY GRIMING UP MY MONITOR.

Sorry, pet hate :p
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or when the poke it over and over and you can see the lcd changing color they hit it so hard, or with their nails... lol


stop touching my damn screen!
 
Sly said:
PS: Looking at the video again, i notice she has her hands always resting on the sides of the laptop. When i'm using any laptop (any laptop, not just the transformer), my hands are resting *ON* the keyboard. Right below the screen. And reaching for it is done with the middle finger. You do not make a pointing gesture or anything. Just raise your hand, move it forward a bit, and you've selected an icon when your middle finger (the outer most appendage) touches the screen. No need to curl your fingers (they're already semi curled when in a rest position on the keyboard).
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You have some good observations here. I think this notion of touching a laptop screen is just overthought when talked about. Having used both Windows 7 & 8 on touch screen convertible tablets many will just trying it out and being to realize that some things are simply easier directly with touch. I find that it's just faster to tap a link on a web page, flick scroll though a document, pinch zoom or tap a button than repositioning the mouse. It doesn't replace the mouse, track pad or keyboard, touch just gives one another option, even sometimes I'll use the pen when I want to do a screen grab as it just feels easier and more accurate than even a mouse though I'll usually do that in tablet mode.

We're just beyond the era of mice and keyboards only in the world of computers.
 
Azhar said:
Touchscreen laptop is fine as long as they don't jack up the price too much and also leave in the touchpad.

Touchscreen monitor for desktop PC? No thanks.
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Yeah, the hand travel on a laptop is pretty short, the screen is literally attached to the keyboard so you can cover the essential areas with just wrist movements from the keyboard which at the most is still less work than the act of reaching for a mouse.

But on a desktop with a 21" LCD, you'll often need to have to move your entire shoulder to reach the monitor. In that case, the mouse is a better option since it'll be closer than the screen.
 
hinges are weak parts of laptops, when users will be touching lcd - it will broke hinges pretty soon, and this may be not covered by warranty.

anyone can name notebook manufacturers which have good hinges on middle/low-end models? (excluding apple, they only have high end models)
 
zomg said:
hinges are weak parts of laptops, when users will be touching lcd - it will broke hinges pretty soon, and this may be not covered by warranty.

anyone can name notebook manufacturers which have good hinges on middle/low-end models? (excluding apple, they only have high end models)
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I really don't think that's there's much of an issue here. You don't have to touch a capacitive touch screen that hard and I've never had any problem with the hinges on convertible tablet PCs in all the years I've been tapping screen while they are in laptop mode and those hinges are considerably more fragile in a way tan even some of the cheapest of laptops as they only have one center hinge.

Plus I would suspect that touch won't be something found much in the cheapest of cheap laptops as it does add to the cost. Most touch laptops will probably be of pretty decent build quality overall yet still significantly cheaper than most Macbooks, Though on the higher end of devices like convertible tablets will probably cost a bit more than the average Macbook, especially devices with pen digitizers like traditional tablet PC.
 
zomg said:
hinges are weak parts of laptops, when users will be touching lcd - it will broke hinges pretty soon, and this may be not covered by warranty.

anyone can name notebook manufacturers which have good hinges on middle/low-end models? (excluding apple, they only have high end models)
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We have 2 HP's, 1 MSI, 3 Acers, 1 gateway, 1 toshiba, 1 nortech, a couple of my sisters office issued laptops (Don't know the brand). Of all of them, the only one with broken hinges is the Toshiba, everything else is still tight enough you can leave them at 45 degrees in either direction and it'll stay there..

One of the HP's is a Pavillion convertible, and as heatless said, it's a single hinge that rotates in two axes, while simultaneously having room for extra wires for the touchscreen, LCD, additional power and media buttons (for when in tablet mode), camera, etc. and worked perfectly well... up until the time it went up in smoke.

The laptop planned for this, has the load spread over two hinges, and only uses one axis.
 
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