Intel launches gen 2 Optane DIMMs

erek

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Impressed?

"The new data centre D7-P5500 and P5600 SSDs are U.2 format drives, built with 96-layer 3D NAND in TLC cell format and an NVMe interface running across PCIe Gen 4 with 4 lanes. The P5500 has a 1 drive write per day endurance while the P5600 has a 3DWPD rating, making it better suited to heavier write workloads.

Available capacities are 1.92TB, 3.84TB and 7.68TB for the P5500. The P5600 needs to over-provision for extended endurance, and so available capacities come in lower at 1.6TB, 3.2TB and 6.4TB.

The PCE gen 4 links should enable high performance. The P5500 and P5600 deliver 7GB/sec when sequential reading and 4.3GB/sec when writing. Both drives provide up to 1 million random read IOPS, with the P5500 delivering up to 230,000 random write IOPS and P5600 providing up to 260,000 random write IOPS.

Get data sheet info off an Intel product brief.

The Optane Persistent Memory 200 series and D7-P5500 and P5600 3D NAND SSDs are available today."


https://blocksandfiles.com/2020/06/18/intel-gen-2-optane-dimms/
 

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One of those little optane sticks wiped out a drive with family photos on it......the drive is still in optane mode, meaning its unreadable in windows as a drive, and I cannot get the optane stick in the PC to "see" the drive anymore........honestly hate Intel for this....it should be more bulletproof but it isn't. Be wary or very careful if you use one of those little Optane sticks to perma-cache a mechanical drive.

..and yeah I realize the above product is an apples and oranges thing...just doing my little PSA where I see OPTANE mentioned :p
 

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Very impressive, but also probably way outside my budget. I'm over here considering a 512 m.2 drive because everything else is rediculously expensive. It's a controller and some memory chips soldered to a board with some traces and SMDs, same as a 2.5" drive, but because it's new and isn't limited by sata it costs nearly double?

Then you have these, which use modern memory chips and a high performance controller...I guess they sorta justify the price.

"Intel launches gen 2 Optane DIMMs"
Don't think that means what you think it means. ;)
 

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One of those little optane sticks wiped out a drive with family photos on it......the drive is still in optane mode, meaning its unreadable in windows as a drive, and I cannot get the optane stick in the PC to "see" the drive anymore........honestly hate Intel for this....it should be more bulletproof but it isn't. Be wary or very careful if you use one of those little Optane sticks to perma-cache a mechanical drive.

..and yeah I realize the above product is an apples and oranges thing...just doing my little PSA where I see OPTANE mentioned :p
But did you learn to have a backup system?
 

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Very impressive, but also probably way outside my budget. I'm over here considering a 512 m.2 drive because everything else is rediculously expensive. It's a controller and some memory chips soldered to a board with some traces and SMDs, same as a 2.5" drive, but because it's new and isn't limited by sata it costs nearly double?

Then you have these, which use modern memory chips and a high performance controller...I guess they sorta justify the price.

"Intel launches gen 2 Optane DIMMs"
Don't think that means what you think it means. ;)
It's all enterprise parts, thus the price is automatically justified. But it also means that in a few years you can buy them for chump change. Now, if Intel would support the Optane DCPM DIMMs on the HEDT platforms, that would be rather cool.

Optane DIMMs are a real thing. It's an SSD on a DDR4 stick, plugs into the memory slots and works through the CPU's memory controller, but acts as 2nd tier (slow) memory, or a kind of scratch drive for programs. The endurance ratings are puzzling, even though they are wonderfully, ridiculously high, either way.
 

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"Intel launches gen 2 Optane DIMMs"
Don't think that means what you think it means
No, the article says they're releasing both dimms and ssds. Optane can be used as ram or storage.
 

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One of those little optane sticks wiped out a drive with family photos on it......the drive is still in optane mode, meaning its unreadable in windows as a drive, and I cannot get the optane stick in the PC to "see" the drive anymore........honestly hate Intel for this....it should be more bulletproof but it isn't. Be wary or very careful if you use one of those little Optane sticks to perma-cache a mechanical drive.

..and yeah I realize the above product is an apples and oranges thing...just doing my little PSA where I see OPTANE mentioned :p
Back ups aren’t difficult. I hope you’re backing up your data now.


There is an old saying if you don't have 3 copies of your data its not that important to you.
Pretty much.
 

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No pricing? Do not want to scare people?
Need to get prices down.
 

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"The new data centre D7-P5500 and P5600 SSDs are U.2 format drives, built with 96-layer 3D NAND in TLC cell format and an NVMe interface running across PCIe Gen 4 with 4 lanes. The P5500 has a 1 drive write per day endurance while the P5600 has a 3DWPD rating, making it better suited to heavier write workloads.

Available capacities are 1.92TB, 3.84TB and 7.68TB for the P5500. The P5600 needs to over-provision for extended endurance, and so available capacities come in lower at 1.6TB, 3.2TB and 6.4TB.

The PCE gen 4 links should enable high performance. The P5500 and P5600 deliver 7GB/sec when sequential reading and 4.3GB/sec when writing. Both drives provide up to 1 million random read IOPS, with the P5500 delivering up to 230,000 random write IOPS and P5600 providing up to 260,000 random write IOPS.

Get data sheet info off an Intel product brief.

The Optane Persistent Memory 200 series and D7-P5500 and P5600 3D NAND SSDs are available today."


https://blocksandfiles.com/2020/06/18/intel-gen-2-optane-dimms/
I'm impressed they are finally releasing pcie 4.0 Logan's even before their pcie 4.0 CPUs are available. Have to us AMD to take advantage of the them ;).
 

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No pricing? Do not want to scare people?
Need to get prices down.
Enterprise parts. If you have to ask, you are not worthy. In 5 years you can buy them for a fraction of a new consumer SSD with most of their endurance left unused, and they'll still be performance relevant.

I still don’t know the purpose of optane 1.
It's a flash alternative. In most metrics it outperforms flash SSDs while remaining consistent over time/capacity, with an added bonus of endurance that outstrips first gen SLC.
 

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I still don’t know the purpose of optane 1.
Smart caching frequently accessed data for a more responsive system without the costs associated with pure solid-state storage.

I have an older Lenovo laptop with a version of it and at the time it was a great way to get near-SSD performance in everyday, non-benchmark tasks, with the cost and capacity of a spinning platter drive.

Makes even more sense in an enterprise environment.
 

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But did you learn to have a backup system?
I thought I had, I do dual copies...so the family photos here, the family photos there.....because this was a new system build (new to Optane, new MB, new 8700k) I hadn't backed up in some time...when I went to hit the archive it was more than a couple years out of date. Moral of the story? I screwed up, I don't blame Intel or Gigabyte for that part..that's on me. But I was surprised that while everyone was touting the "wow it really does speed up spinning drive media!" nobody ever once mentioned that it slaves the drive and re-writes the boot sector (I believe that's what it does) to only work via optane, it isn't plug and play swappable, it has to be joined at the motherboard, specific optane stick to specific hard drive. I still have the drive, I just haven't wanted to deal with the stress of finally realizing it isn't recoverable, the more I put it off the more I keep hope alive...maybe it still is, a different motherboard with the same stick, maybe it recognizes the drive....or a new system will let me flash this current system back to its Gen1 bios and see if that lets it all line-up again. We'll see.

I just wanted to spread the word that if something goes wonky, your hard drive you paired with Optane will not be casually or easily recoverable.
 

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I just wanted to spread the word that if something goes wonky, your hard drive you paired with Optane will not be casually or easily recoverable.
You may want to take the Optane out of the system and try software like GetDataBack or Recuva. There is also completly free software called TestDisk but its a linux based program. It will be a little more difficult to use instead of the other two.

https://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-software.htm

https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva

https://www.easeus.com/ad/data-reco...RgQT0ljutCDJ6_VOa-k7u7h0ZM_sOK-0aAq8vEALw_wcB

https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

My advice is recover to a new disk if possible. At work when I have had to recover some machine that I don't have control over (so likely no backups) I usually make a bit for bit copy of the disk first. And try the recovery on the clone. This is a more advanced step because it requires a linux utility dd_rescue. An easier step is just to make sure that you recover to a new disk if possible instead of writing to the original.
 
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