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Intel in grave danger!

kirbyrj said:
I'll believe that when I see it :).
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20060607105403.html

DirectX 10 functionality, particularly, shader model 4.0, which requires the part to handle vertex shaders

The Intel GMA 3000 will be generally significantly more advanced compared to the current- and previous-generations of Intel’s built-in graphics cores. The new core: it will have improved early-Z technology which reduces the load on memory bandwidth, it will support 16x anisotropic filtering, 32-bit precision floating point calculations and so on. Additionally, thanks to unified shader processing engines, the GMA 3000 will support hardware decoding of H.264 and WMV9b high-definition video streams. In addition, the new integrated graphics core from the world’s largest chipmaker will provide HDMI output. It is unclear whether the new graphics core will support HDCP encryption as well.
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PDF, The i946GZ for Conroe

http://thinktechno.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=262

No, it is not going to be a replacement for good Discrete cards but would make a great standby while folks waited for something better. It has more features of than my X800XL and some say it might be as fast as the 7600GT, that's not saying much LOL!
 
Donnie27 said:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20060607105403.html



PDF, The i946GZ for Conroe

http://thinktechno.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=262

No, it is not going to be a replacement for good Discrete cards but would make a great standby while folks waited for something better. It has more features of than my X800XL and some say it might be as fast as the 7600GT, that's not saying much LOL!
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You should never underestimate the engineers at the largest player (Intel) in the graphics market ;)

Terra...
 
I have a feeling when it's all said and done, it'll be about as powerful as a 7300 series card. Not necessarily a knock on Intel, but let's be realistic...this is a move for Vista and as long as Vista runs decently well, not too many people are going to care about the specs. Also, people are used to paying next to nothing for IGP chipset boards in their bare office machines. If Intel raises prices $30-50 to reflect a substantially better IGP, people are going to balk at the pricing. Maybe not, but I have a feeling that Intel's IGP is basically going to be well above the bare minimum, but not overwhelming by any means.
 
Terra said:
You should never underestimate the engineers at the largest player (Intel) in the graphics market ;)

Terra...
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Yeah, the i740 was pretty stellar.
 
robberbaron said:
Yeah, the i740 was pretty stellar.
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I had one and it wasn't as bad as some people say (likely people who never owned one). At the time, I'd definitely choose it over the Savage3D which I also owned. The Savage3D was so horribly broken in hardware, as in every single chip made, that S3 completely abandoned it.

I'm not claiming the i740 was a great card (the OpenGL wrapper was annoying until a native ICD was available months later, for example). It was a budget chip and arguably brought AGP into the mainstream (heh heh, the beginning of the end of 3dfx ;)). http://www.tweak3d.net/reviews/real3d/starfighteragp/real3d-starfighter-2.shtml
 
Terra said:
You should never underestimate the engineers at the largest player (Intel) in the graphics market ;)

Terra...
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not to mention the tons and tons of engineers Intel's got and how capable Intel is of going out and hiring more if needed.
 
i have a Pentium 4 3.0E GHz HT 1MB L2, 800MHz FSB...and its great for games any game i throw at it at full detail...and it always uses like 50 to 70% of my CPU at most.....i never once seen the Processor use 80 or more % of the CPU when playing games and thats with 1GB DDR400, WD 74GB 10k RPM hard drive and an Asus P4P800E- Deluxe MB heres my question... if "intel is in grave danger" like this post saids... should i go to an AMD Athlon 64 or should i stick with my processor for now? :confused:
 
First off, my post was laced with sarcasm; most of what that guy says in his blog is pure fantasy.

Second, the reason your CPU usage only goes up to 70% while playing games is because of hyperthreading. Windows thinks it's using SMP; therefore, a single process (read: your game) can only use 50% of the bar in task manager at one time. So, in other words, if it's using 50%, it's really using 100%. Sort of.

Third, percentage of CPU usage is not a good measure of whether or not you need a new CPU. I go up to 100% on one of my cores every time I open up CS:Source, but believe me, that game is GPU-limited for me rather than CPU-limited.
 
If ATi, AMD, and nVidia all merged, they would be sued/shutdown for being a monopoly...
 
pxc said:
I had one and it wasn't as bad as some people say (likely people who never owned one). At the time, I'd definitely choose it over the Savage3D which I also owned. The Savage3D was so horribly broken in hardware, as in every single chip made, that S3 completely abandoned it.

I'm not claiming the i740 was a great card (the OpenGL wrapper was annoying until a native ICD was available months later, for example). It was a budget chip and arguably brought AGP into the mainstream (heh heh, the beginning of the end of 3dfx ;)). http://www.tweak3d.net/reviews/real3d/starfighteragp/real3d-starfighter-2.shtml
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The i740 was designed to be a *for the masses* GPU, and was a joint design of Intel, Chips and Technologies, and longtime defense contractor Lockheed Martin. It was the first Intel graphics solution that was NOT designed for integrated graphics, and it took ATI and nVidia pushing older GPUs downstream to actually kill it. In fact, the i740's planned target was S3 and the Savage3D. The only real problem the i740 had was a lack of AIB partners (other than Diamond Multimedia). Performance was better than S3, and darn close to more expensive (at the time) ATI Rage II+ and Riva TNT parts, and for less money. It also had progeny (the i752), but by then ATI was starting their big Radeon push, and nVidia had launched their first GeForce parts, and both companies were pushing their older GPUs into the i7xx marketplace.
 
Terra said:
You should never underestimate the engineers at the largest player (Intel) in the graphics market ;)

Terra...
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Nope, wasn't trying to. I said it had more features than my X800XL. I'll never underestimate Intel.
 
Donnie27 said:
Nope, wasn't trying to. I said it had more features than my X800XL. I'll never underestimate Intel.
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I know...hence the smiley ;)

Terra - :)
 
zone_86 said:
Like Creative Labs?
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Funny, I wasn't aware only Creative Labs made PC sound cards. Do they manufacture all of the literally dozens upon dozens of PC sound cards I can choose from?
 
zone_86 said:
Like Creative Labs?
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No.... wtf are you talking about. I have talked to plenty of ppl who are gamers and haver other sound cards. I'd say creative only has like 50% of the market.

If only intel could figure out how to make their Itanium platform work with windows home editions =/.
 
elite.mafia said:
If only intel could figure out how to make their Itanium platform work with windows home editions =/.
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Are you serious? I didn't know that was Intel's job.
 
Well microsoft sure as hell isn't going to help them. I'm pretty sure they already denied the support of the processor.
 
Itanium-like platforms won't prevail in home computers until the adoption of 64-bit applications is complete. And considering that it has hardly even started, that will be a while.
 
elite.mafia said:
Well microsoft sure as hell isn't going to help them. I'm pretty sure they already denied the support of the processor.
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They arent going to make home editions for IA64 because home users have no need for IA64. Why would use make an OS meant for web browsing and email for a $10,000 computer? Who would ever buy an Itanium system for instant messaging and games? Not gonna happen.

HOCP4ME said:
Itanium-like platforms won't prevail in home computers until the adoption of 64-bit applications is complete. And considering that it has hardly even started, that will be a while.
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The only 64 bit applications that home users are going to care about will be AMD64 (x86-64) based, not IA64.
 
jvrobert said:
Funny, I wasn't aware only Creative Labs made PC sound cards. Do they manufacture all of the literally dozens upon dozens of PC sound cards I can choose from?
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They don''t. But they have a patent on EAX, and they also have Sensura now. Ever notice that Creative won't allow EAX3-5 on anyone elses consumer cards.

Ever notice that that there's not an single solution other than Creative that has a true hardware DSP?

The only other cards you can choose from will not have any hardware acceleration for gaming. You might be able to run an M-Audio card for music, or an Azuntech with the CMI chip for music, but you wanna guess what happens when you use that Azuntech card in games with EAX enabled in either analog or digital? - very high CPU usage % that's what you get. And it will only do EAX 1-2 .. in software mode.

In effct_ Creative Labs has the gaming soundcard market absolutely cornered and monopolized.

Just what are these "dozens of other sound cards you can get"? ...

CMI 8738-8768 cards, Azuntech? All software driven

M-Audio or Chaintech AV510 cards? All software driven

The old Voyetra Turtle Beach Santa Cruise? Software driven




Name these dozens of cards please. Give me one that has a real hardware based DSP. Just one. Besides Creative.
 
elite.mafia said:
Well microsoft sure as hell isn't going to help them. I'm pretty sure they already denied the support of the processor.
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Considering the Itanium was created ground up as a Database solution processor, I do not see why people would even bother with it on the non-business side. Even if you could hack it together a lot of things were left out for sheer performance on the database side. Thus the low clock speeds, around 700mhz
 
elite.mafia said:
No.... wtf are you talking about. I have talked to plenty of ppl who are gamers and haver other sound cards. I'd say creative only has like 50% of the market.

If only intel could figure out how to make their Itanium platform work with windows home editions =/.
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See above post. Tell me about these leet gamers cards you friends are using. You can get a nice card for 'music' but not a single one for gaming that supports up to EAX 5 in hardware.

That folks is called cornering the market. Creative Labs style.
 
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