Intel APU GPU Sockets Questions ?! Bit Confused

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Cillie

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Well I am normally always building a Budget Gaming Rigs. which are normally AMD based. So I am a bit confused with 1150 1155 2011 1156 ?
Also there isn't much talk about the HD4600 APU ???
Or am I searching for wrong words ?

I will assume 1150 and 2011 are the newest sockets
But for this project for a Budget Gamer/Workstation the 1150 should suffice ?

The other question is how are the Intel APU On Chip GPU fair against the A10 7850 and similar cheaper A8 etc ?

The Unit will be based of a CPU with APU/GPU but we will also use a external GPU.
But it will have to be able to do some light gaming without that GPU, during the downtimes of switching GPUs.

Is this something Possible on this new intel Platform ?
 
lga1150 should be the socket to look at it is the latest. lga2011 is not at all budget and does not have the on CPU GPU.
 
A word of warning, there are 3 sockets all called 2011 and they are all incompatible.

2011 isn't budget anyway.

Once you add a dedicated GPU the iGPU in the CPU will disable and cannot be used. Intel GPUs are much weaker then AMD GPUs.
 
Understand once external GPU is plugged into the APU is disabled.
It was meant to be present during a GPU swap so there is a APU that can be used.

So AMD APU are still more powerful than the Intel APU ?
 
Cillie said:
Understand once external GPU is plugged into the APU is disabled.
It was meant to be present during a GPU swap so there is a APU that can be used.

So AMD APU are still more powerful than the Intel APU ?
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Intel CPUs aren't APUs they are simple CPUs with a GPU taked on.

At the same price AMD will be more powerful.
 
people here seems to don't know what lucid virtu MVP and how a intel iGPU can be used together with a discrete GPU to increase the graphic performance by a good margin.. and people here seems to don't know that the newer AMD Kaveri APU that can even be crossfired for example the 7850K with a R7 265...

the socket 2011 regardless the price (being some i7 4820K at even lower prices than a 4770K socket 1150). does not have integrated GPU so should be discarded in that matter..

in other matters, as workstation none of the actual AMD APUs should not be taken into consideration because their CPU power its pretty weak compared to lower priced intel i3 dual core chips, so as a heavy workload processor they will be slow.. what make really good the AMD APU its they have a powerful GPU integrated a truly GPU in the socket die at a very accessible pricepoint... but once you add a discrete GPU in the formula they lose all the pricepoint and advantage over intel CPUs, I highly recommend AMD APUS for budget gaming machines for resolutions of 1650x1050 or less..
 
So from what I am gathering the in chip GPU of Intel compared to amd is not as powerful.
Though the Intel CPUs are a bit more suited for work related workstation wise.

The Intel HD4600 cannot be crossfired like the and r7
Now just comparing
HD4600 to AMD on CPU GPU R7
How much more power would the AMD have in photo editing or light gaming with light CAD ?
 
Cillie said:
Well I am normally always building a Budget Gaming Rigs. which are normally AMD based. So I am a bit confused with 1150 1155 2011 1156 ?
Also there isn't much talk about the HD4600 APU ???
Or am I searching for wrong words ?

I will assume 1150 and 2011 are the newest sockets
But for this project for a Budget Gamer/Workstation the 1150 should suffice ?

The other question is how are the Intel APU On Chip GPU fair against the A10 7850 and similar cheaper A8 etc ?

The Unit will be based of a CPU with APU/GPU but we will also use a external GPU.
But it will have to be able to do some light gaming without that GPU, during the downtimes of switching GPUs.

Is this something Possible on this new intel Platform ?
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Cillie said:
Understand once external GPU is plugged into the APU is disabled.
It was meant to be present during a GPU swap so there is a APU that can be used.

So AMD APU are still more powerful than the Intel APU ?
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If at any point there is *NO* discrete video card plugged in *AND* you want to game, get AMD. Although Intel has significantly improved their integrated GPU over the past couple years, it is still weak when compared to AMD.

This is how I see it.

CPU.
AMD ++++
Intel +++++

Integrated GPU.
AMD +++++
Intel ++

Performance per dollar for media and games when relying on integrated graphics.
AMD +++++
Intel ++

Performance per dollar for media and games when relying on add-on video card.
AMD ++++
Intel +++++
 
I would give Intel one or two more + for the CPU performance. I mean you have to run an AMD CPU a nearly 5GHz to get the same per core performance as a stock Intel (~3.5GHz).
 
drescherjm said:
I would give Intel one or two more + for the CPU performance. I mean you have to run an AMD CPU a nearly 5GHz to get the same per core performance as a stock Intel (~3.5GHz).
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You are right, however, it's all situational and relative and that's how I made those scores. AMD does have a small set of circumstances when they can squeak out a win, specifically when its performance per dollar or on the low end with the APU's. It was also purely my opinion. OP was mainly talking about games, and there are few games that are CPU bottlenecked. The ones that are will need a high-end AMD FX overclocked or Intel i5 or i7 to really make a difference.

I also only made it a 5 point scale, so that leaves less more room for interpretation. ;)
 
Cool that visualization made perfect sense.
Ofcourse its all depending on situation the CPU on Intel is better or a lot better.

If I am relying on more on CPU onchip GPU/APU get the amd.
If I can live with marginal Intel GPU during the external GPU downtime, go intel for CPU if CPU power more than anything.

That's excluding price.

If relying on external GPU with addition the need of CPU power
The Intel's are to look at due to more CPU power mainly.
This where things get a bit complicated depending on what GPU u buy as external and the decision on how much CPU is expected.


Cool cool :)

Thanks a lot
 
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