Intel 925X and 915 reviewd

Read through it. The prescott with the new chipset is better but still not as good as Northwood. Its getting closer to AMD performance, another speed jump up to 3.8 and Intel will have matched or exceeded the FX-53's performance.
 
in which applications would match it or exceed it? and until that time AMD will be lunching another cpu which intel should lunch faster to match it or kepp the gap the same or closer, also dont forget the hot issue of prescott and iirc northwood is reaching its speed limit specially on air.

who knows what intel is preparing to lunch and who knows what amd have to answer, its a game and its a bad time to buy
 
i just finished reading the Anandtech review and i'm not impressed at all with Intel newest products UNLESS they are much lower priced than AMD offerings...

Intel got:DDR2,PCI-Express Video Card,New Chipset and AMD is still performing better :eek:

It was hard to resist being glib and titling this article, "Much Ado about Very Little". That feeling of disappointment comes from seeing so much new technology introduced all at once, and then finding out the real performance benefit is extremely small - if it exists at all. If Intel wants us to turn our computer world upside down, there should be a real tangible benefit to the bucks we are expected to spend. Unfortunately, that performance advantage is pretty hard to find - at least for now. There are certainly a few gems in the total package, but if you're looking for a big performance advantage, overall, it just isn't there.
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what the hell is up with intel?? :confused:
 
Hopefully, this is Intel's way of making room for their future inprovements.... I believe that we're not gonna see alot of benefits out of LGA775 until they release their dual core processors. I have a sneaking suspicion that they want to be able to work the bugs out of the socket between now and actually rollout of the dual cores. Hell, they have ALOT of irons in the fire right now, to say the least. I'm kinda interested to see where they're sitting in 12 months.
 
The move has to do with the future. They are putting down the infrastructure that they will use for the next few years. LGA775 makes alot of sense in some areas. The Prescott gets more voltage pins and this will allow the inclusion of 64bit extensions in the near future. And Intel can start ramping up Prescott clock speeds again.

PCI-Express, although its not initially going to be hardly if any faster than AGP 8x, but again from a design perspective is makes complete sense. Less trace paths and other things. So I consider this a good long term move.

DDR2, this again has potential, but what they really need to do here is get the latencies down. Fortunatley the i915 doesn't have to use DDR2, it can be paired with DDR1 memory instead or as the Anandtech review pointed out, it can use both on the same board. Not likely at the same time however.

Let's not forget the less talked about inclusions. 192KHz Audio. Raising the standard of integrated audio. Not a bad idea.

More SATA ports, this is a welcome thing as far as I am concerned. However the single PATA port pisses me off.

Finally we get the ability to use RAID 0+1 if we wish. Again this is welcome although few will likely use it.

PCI-Express 8x this will finally give us a way to truely take advantage of things like Ultra 160/320 SCSI which was bottlenecked so bad through regular PCI. Sure there was 64Bit 66MHz PCI, but this was rarely included in anything but corporate PC's and servers. Agin this move brings more possibilities to the masses.

With the use of ICH6W we get a built in wireless solution. This may appeal to some market segments, although I don't know how many HardOCP readers will care.

We also get Gigabit ethernet across the board. Intel now has integrated graphics solutions for the higher end workstation part the i925. This will appeal to OEM's that manufacturer workstations.

PCI 3.0 Our legacy PCI slots will lose thier 5v card compatibility. No loss here. This is about evolution and nothing else.

In short I think they are great "evolutionary" steps twords good things in the future. Adopting it early may not be a good idea for most, but your gaining options for the future and your not loosing performance. Although the i915/i925 do perform worse than the i975P in some areas and better in others.

So I think people are looking at this the wrong way. It's not about performance this time. It's about putting down the foundation for new performance parts and options in the future.

If your in the market to build a new rig it only makes sense to get the new technology. If your not in the market and have a good machine then theres no need to bother upgrading until you and your wallet are ready as the performance isn't there.

I would be willing to bet when the 1066MHz FSB parts start appearing with a few new features we'll be fairly well impressed with what Intel has to offer. Remember the i845 series wasn't all that great. In fact it performed worse than the i850 RDRAM chipsets to start with. Then when Intel released the i875P and i865PE people rejoiced.

We're looking at the beginning of another such cycle.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
The move has to do with the future. They are putting down the infrastructure that they will use for the next few years. LGA775 makes alot of sense in some areas. The Prescott gets more voltage pins and this will allow the inclusion of 64bit extensions in the near future. And Intel can start ramping up Prescott clock speeds again.

PCI-Express, although its not initially going to be hardly if any faster than AGP 8x, but again from a design perspective is makes complete sense. Less trace paths and other things. So I consider this a good long term move.

DDR2, this again has potential, but what they really need to do here is get the latencies down. Fortunatley the i915 doesn't have to use DDR2, it can be paired with DDR1 memory instead or as the Anandtech review pointed out, it can use both on the same board. Not likely at the same time however.

Let's not forget the less talked about inclusions. 192KHz Audio. Raising the standard of integrated audio. Not a bad idea.

More SATA ports, this is a welcome thing as far as I am concerned. However the single PATA port pisses me off.

Finally we get the ability to use RAID 0+1 if we wish. Again this is welcome although few will likely use it.

PCI-Express 8x this will finally give us a way to truely take advantage of things like Ultra 160/320 SCSI which was bottlenecked so bad through regular PCI. Sure there was 64Bit 66MHz PCI, but this was rarely included in anything but corporate PC's and servers. Agin this move brings more possibilities to the masses.

With the use of ICH6W we get a built in wireless solution. This may appeal to some market segments, although I don't know how many HardOCP readers will care.

We also get Gigabit ethernet across the board. Intel now has integrated graphics solutions for the higher end workstation part the i925. This will appeal to OEM's that manufacturer workstations.

PCI 3.0 Our legacy PCI slots will lose thier 5v card compatibility. No loss here. This is about evolution and nothing else.

In short I think they are great "evolutionary" steps twords good things in the future. Adopting it early may not be a good idea for most, but your gaining options for the future and your not loosing performance. Although the i915/i925 do perform worse than the i975P in some areas and better in others.

So I think people are looking at this the wrong way. It's not about performance this time. It's about putting down the foundation for new performance parts and options in the future.

If your in the market to build a new rig it only makes sense to get the new technology. If your not in the market and have a good machine then theres no need to bother upgrading until you and your wallet are ready as the performance isn't there.

I would be willing to bet when the 1066MHz FSB parts start appearing with a few new features we'll be fairly well impressed with what Intel has to offer. Remember the i845 series wasn't all that great. In fact it performed worse than the i850 RDRAM chipsets to start with. Then when Intel released the i875P and i865PE people rejoiced.

We're looking at the beginning of another such cycle.
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Exactly!
 
v1p3r-386- said:
Read the review at tomshardware.com it says that you CAN'T overclock at all :mad: !! And it says that the stock fan can't even keep it under 70c!! They also have pricing too. The 560 is $637 :eek: and the extreme edition @3.4ghz is $999 :eek:

http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/socket_775-13.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/socket_775-03.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/index.html
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Not being able to overclock would suck HARD. But this isn't the first time Intel tried to stamp that out. It's good to see that Gigabyte and Asus have our backs and have gotten around the issue to a degree.
 
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