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Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by HardLiner, May 14, 2018.
Any reviews for this case yet, what are people thoughts on it? You think it's too big for SFF PC?
waaaaaay too big, soo much wasted space.
but i like the design of the case, looks pretty neat.
The definition of SFF is not strictly agreed upon. Some sources list maximum volume limit of 19-20 liters to be considered SFF.
I think this case you have posted is a bit over 20.3 liters, so some people would say it’s a bit big.
The thing I find interesting about this case is that it seems to be based on the ncase m1 design. I think I remember Necere posting at one time that he hoped that case manufacturers would eventually learn from his design.
Even though this might not be considered SFF by all, I still think it is so much better than what was available just a few years ago. You either had to go with a shoebox that put the PSU directly over the CPU, so you could barely even fit a stock heat sink (if you were lucky) or, you had to go with a 30+ liter monstrosity that had room for four+ 5.25” drive bays and four+ 3.5” hard drives etc.
I applaud Inwin for making a case that has room for big CPU coolers, full size graphics cards, and doesn’t waste space by putting in a giant hard drive cages and 5.25” bays. Also, it looks really nice.
It's amazing how people try to copy the NCase M1 and always end up with something larger, uglier, and less functional.
Big for my taste, but my current case is sub 7 liters. I do like how the included PSU has custom length cables.
It blows my mind how blatant the attempts are at capitalizing on the m1's success, as well. There was a company a while back that tried this and literally called their case the M1. I can't remember which company it was so it obviously unsuccessful, but here we are again with this company calling theirs the A1, and I don't know who should be more insulted, Dan or the ncase team.
While I appreciate that people are so willing to leap to defend and recognize myself/the M1, I have to say I don't really see much of my work in this new IN WIN case. There isn't much similarity apart from the front-mounted power supply, and it's not like I came up with that (Silverstone and Fractal Design had done it previously). If anything it's more similar to one of the layouts I came up early in the M1's development. There's only so many ways to arrange things, so it's inevitable that designers will arrive at largely the same places.
That this case is larger than the M1 I don't see so much as a failure, but as a different set of design priorities. I would say one of those priorities that pushes up the size of the A1 a lot is the support for full tower (160mm) CPU coolers -- 30mm more than the M1 supports. From a product viability perspective, this makes sense to do, since any restrictions placed on component support directly reduces the number of sales. If you need to hit x number of units sold to break even and make a profit, then you really want to maximize compatibility to garner the largest amount of sales. Remember that SFF enthusiasts are still a pretty small market niche, and developing a new case (for mass manufacturing) costs in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. If the market and the projected sales aren't enough to pay back the development costs, the product doesn't get made.
I can't wait for someone to review it, I wonder what type of powersupply they used 600w bronze is all they say. They don't even mention if it comes with fan filters or even if the fans shown are included.
$169 or $149 without the charger apparently.
all the SFF elitists complain about how big this case is, when really, it's one of the smallest 'retail available' enthusiast SFF cases out there. its a sight smaller than the Prodigy and phenom, and in another world to the NZXT monstrosity.
Typically InWin cases never come with fans. consider fans an added cost to the case. I own two InWin cases, and they are fantastic quality, but their 'cheap' price tags are not as 'cheap' as people think once you take into account the added costs of properly outfitting them with fans.
It's neat looking. Definitely an eye catcher. Having built two Inwin 301s though I'm going to bet it will be a pain to build. Inwin makes some good stuff but doesn't really factor build simplicity into their designs.
My definition of SFF is 20 liters or less,with an internal PSU...
This may be slightly over 20 liters, but for the 'completeness' of it, I can let that slide...
And as rfarmer said, the custom length PSU cables is a huge plus (and the choice to 'keep it in the SFF family' with the SDX form factor PSU is also nice)...!
As are the two 2.5" SSD bays behind the motherboard tray, which also mean there is some cable routing room back there...!
My question is what is under the black cover in the bottom left of the video at 00m45s, because that cover would prevent using the 2 1/2 slot EVGA GTX 1070 Ti, the one with the larger heatsink...
EDIT TO ADD - 1000th post, beeyotches...! ;^p
Not sure what that small cover is, like you said it would prevent 2 1/2 GPU cards. Almost impossible to find any decent pics that show that section of the case.
Congrats on the 1000 posts. I still have 52 to go, I better start spamming.
Looks nice, I kinda want one.
My issue is I have a nice PSU that I'd want to keep... And this comes with an inbuilt PSU. Even if it's removable then I will have bought an extra PSU just to have a case?
If it wasn't for that I'd probably buy the case tbh. I can get InWin stuff in my country far far cheaper than custom built SFF cases we see here on hardforum
My issue with these cases aren't their design. On the contrary, I love that mainstream case manufacturers are starting to compete in this market. The more the merrier. My issue is the blatant attempt to rip off the naming schemes of the most successful crowdfunded cases in an attempt to capitalize on your success and marketing. They want to come up in searches for your product, and that's underhanded and shitty, and that's what I take issue with.
In Win A1 web page...
Custom length pre-managed PSU cables...
GPU sag support...
120mm radiator support...
Dust filter on the bottom fan intakes (unsure about a dust filter on that side vent though)...
Wireless charging for cell phone...
Looks like a Winner...!
I would love to see some testing to see which would be more beneficial to cooling, a 120mm AIO on the CPU or a hybrid GPU...?
Maybe they just want to proclaim their love of a particular steak sauce...?!? ;^p
In Win could really do the SFF community a huge favor by working with one of the larger AIO manufacturers to produce a 120mm AIO with ITX-friendly hose lengths...
And if we could get some ITX-sized GPUs with AIO cooling (also with short tubes), the side vent could be populated by another 120mm AIO; intake on the filtered bottom fans, exhaust out the side & rear vents, which have the two 120mm AIOs there...
LOL, why is it that I look at a chassis & immediately wonder how much gear could be shoehorned into it...?!?
Yes, I dropped a stale pun into a thread about a shoebox chassis...
Enthusiast computer and tech forums like this have large contingents of elitists who are notoriously out of touch. It doesn't match or beat a 1080 Ti? It's not even worthy of being called a gaming GPU. SATA SSD's are a waste of time! Get a 960 Pro or EVO minimum if you're poor or 900P otherwise. It's not a 5L case that can fit a full size 1080 GPU? Why are you posting this trash in SFF? It's so tiresome. These people (and that guy getting triggered by names) should save their disdain for products which are actual jokes like the NZXT Manta.
Am I wrong?
Care to elaborate?
so because the ncase n1 is on the market no other case manufactor is allowed to put "1" in their models?
That's not what I said and you know it. Do you really think the similarity in their names is a coincidence?
surely combining a letter + a number is such unique concept when naming a case...
nope. see above.
And with each of those examples, they have something distinguishing them (though that last one is retarded for a different reason) from each other and everything else and imply that they're part of their own series that have nothing to do with one another. The first three have the Core identifier, the fourth has ghost, the fifth has classic, and the sixth is a completely different format with three digits. In Win and Zalman didn't do that, they went with A1 and M1 respectively, and that's it. And you would honestly have me believe that Zalman didn't already know there was an sff case called the M1, or that it's a coincidence that In Win's letter and number are a mashup of the A4 and M1 when they could have chosen fucking anything to name it. I cannot wrap my head around the fact that you can't see the difference between your examples (except the h200i) and this. The similarities are intentional. It's impossible for them to not be, and it staggers me that apparently I'm the only one here that sees that.
The similarity is possible but by no means assured. Do a search of your local yellow pages and see how many businesses start with A1. It has been used for a lot more than just steak sauce.
Again with the false equivalence. These products are competing in the same (or at least similar) space as the m1 and a4 (high-end sff). Not knowing about a competing product with the same name is not even close to the same as not knowing about some woodworking business with the same name. I'm still having trouble understanding how none of you understand that. It sharing a name with a steak sauce is entirely irrelevant and easy to chalk up to coincidence, but sharing a name with a competing product has to be fucking deliberate. The incompetence required for this to be coincidence is unfathomable. Even if they somehow didn't already know about the m1, there's no way they'd then overlook it when doing market research when designing the case.
we dont care.
If you don't care enough to contribute to the conversation then don't participate in it.
we dont care that its named similarly or that your are upset by it. we can tell the difference. if you dont like people commenting, close the thread.
edit: oh wait, its not your thread. also, go google A1, A4, M1 and see what you get.
i litterally shown to you even 2 cases with basically the same name h200 and h200i...i don't recall anyone losing their shit about that...
btw i still miss your point...
do you really think that someone willing to buy an ncase m1 will buy an in win a1 instead by mistake because they both end with 1?
is it the fact that to you having a case on the market with a name with the same format will make the n1 less special?
the number "1" is one of the most common numbers used when naming things, case industry included; the same goes for using the "letter+ number" format so god save us if 2 cases share half of their name.
if necere cared about having a super unique name for his case he would have used more than 1 letter and 1 number...btw he himself showed having no issues with the name.
I said to you the the h200i is also a problematic and stupid name. I'm not saying that people seeking out the m1 specifically will purchase this by mistake, but people not yet familiar with the M1 or A4 might be misled. If someone came out with a case called the Sudo SD05, regardless of the actual construction of the case, wouldn't it be easy when reading conversations about the case to confuse it with the Sugo SG05? The h200i is a prime example of this in action. When I first saw people talking about it I thought it was a cpu cooler, because of the corsair h100i. I have no idea what NZXT was thinking with that. It's stupid, and the fact that no one questioned it then only confuses me more. It's the same thing here. We on this forum won't confuse the two because we are so intimately familiar with the ncase, but other people might. I don't care how necere feels about it, and I don't care how pendragon feels about it. All I care about is the fact that they're intentionally muddying the waters when we already have so much confusing naming bs in things like gpus and cpus, and that somehow you guys don't even understand where I'm coming from with all this.
Bringing this thread back around to the In Win A1 ITX chassis, 'kay...?!? ;^p
Here is what the original prototype looked like when presented in June of 2017...
I would guess adding the Qi charging system killed the wood top...?
The real discussion I want to hear is D15S HSF or 120mm AIO for CPU cooling...?!?
I like the look of the wood top, the wireless charging is a really cool idea.
I would go with the Noctua, you will get better cooling than a 120mm AIO and you know it will be quiet. With the new Chromax line you can even make them look good.
Oh, it will be Chromax fans throughout the chassis & covers on the heat sink...!
Maybe they'll release a limited edition wood top version later? I'd also think nobody looking for a $250 case is likely to get fooled.
vinyl wrap wood grain and keep the qi charger?
well wood top + brown noctua fans = super cool combo
btw they said that they will release the wood top version later this year
Necere , I would be interested in your thoughts on this chassis, and how you might set up the fans...
Obviously, the two fans under the GPU are intended for intake, as they are filtered...
The two upper fans are not filtered at all...
I would think the rear fan is intended for exhaust; but the side fan, intake or exhaust...?
I want to think intake, providing cool air for the upper chassis, but it is not filtered, so should it be exhaust...?
If the side fan Is exhaust though, then the only cool air entering the chassis would be heated as it passes the GPU...
Hopefully someone will do a decent review on the chassis at some point, and maybe test the different fan configs...
And to throw a monkey wrench into the whole mess; Asus has their 10xx series of Strix cards with 4-pin fan headers, which makes me think that might be the place to plug in the bottom fans (in which case I would place a dust filter on the upper fan & set it as intake, running off of the Chassis Header)...?