Im in BIG trouble guys...

Phoenix86 said:
Ahh, the screw you and go to hell rate... Yeah, I have done that too, I figure if they take it, it's worth the $$.

Actualy I have had someone pay me my "fuck off" rate. :D
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Me too :D
 
lomn75 said:
check c:\windows\windowsupdate.log or "c:\windows\windows update.log" -- it seems that windows update v5 has changed the filename. I found the string "SP2".

However, regardless of what you find, you should be prepared to accept the consequences. You screwed with someone else's computer without permission. It doesn't matter that you didn't mean to do it, or that you didn't do it intentionally, or however else you want to phrase it. You're responsible.
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Not really - it has nothing to do with anything he did.

If you can't restart a PC without it crashing, it certainly wasn't anything he did.
 
icehokplyr said:
Doesn't trust you with her quickbooks??????
Hey, what was the number for HP Tech Support?
That's what I'd tell her. Let her pay for the help.
I know, I know, I'm an asshole.
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No, not really.

If someone is so short sighted to reject free help, then who cares.
 
lomn75 said:
I agree that his actions didn't directly break it. That's not my point. My point is that he used a computer that wasn't his without permission, and then it failed to work. That means he needs to take responsibility.

If you steal my car, but my brakes are out, it's not my fault when you crash -- even though I'm a complete idiot for not having working brakes. Same situation, different scale. I'm particularly unsympathetic given that this is a business computer.
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HE DIDN'T USE THEIR COMPUTER HE JUST TURNED IT OFF!!!

Turning a device off SHOULD NOT kill it unless there was already something wrong.

It is not his fault. It's dude's parents own dumb fault.
 
this sounds like the time my friends mom thought i somehow installed spyware on her computer after i(we, but i surely wasnt him) had only used it to do reasearch for a school project. and she thought i had somehow known they were installing the entire time. im sure if it ever shuts down again it will still be my fault

its almost as bad as when my mom denies any responsibility for any spyware when after every use of ad-aware i find about 5 wildtangent bots on the computer, this is after she dls about 5 games a week from there, gee i dont think there is a connection.

wildtangent is one of those things that lets u dl games for free but pay to get the full version
 
why is it that stupid people who have no knowledge of computer hardware, software, etc. always blame us smart people when something goes wrong? they will blame us, get angry, and just piss themselves and the whole time all they can stupidly say is you broke it. hmmm... pretty general reply. then months, weeks, sometimes days later their begging for our help. their all clueless sheep. screw em'. they'll probably just never use the comp. again cause their to lazy to fix it!
 
Josh_B said:
Not really - it has nothing to do with anything he did.

If you can't restart a PC without it crashing, it certainly wasn't anything he did.
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OK, now prove it to the upset, uninformed parents...

Of course the irony in all this is, they don't trust the guy when he says he didn't do anything, yet they trust him to fix it.

:rolleyes:
 
funny you mention SP2 crashing a computer and having a restart loop continuously..

BECAUSE that's exactly what I did yesterday!!!

I was bored and decided to install the SP2 from the free CD from microsoft. SO... during the install process, it tells me it can't find a .dll file and so I go browse to the file, tell it to look in the dir where the installation files are, and it still says it can't find the file. Then, I copy the file to the desktop and tell it to look there, and it finds it. Installation continues, has another error, and only gives me the option to click OK. When finished SP2 says installed successfully and to restart. So, I go to restart, it posts, proceeds to the WinXP loading screen and then restarts. over, and over again. Sure, I would have been upset, but being the nerd that I am, I have my data on 2 hard drives other than the boot drive. When I go to reinstall windows, I can't find my CD-key. crap.

I have all my serial codes typed in a .txt file on my 2 separate hard drives, so I take the drives out, and stick them in my roommates comp, only to find that my 250gb drive isn't readable, and my 120gb drive says "foreign". Great. Here I am careful not to try and convert the drives or read them, because that's all my files, aside from my DVD backups.

After searching the bedroom and through all my computer boxes, consuming no less than 3 hours, my cert. of Authenticity is nowhere to be found. Pleasantly enough, I call up microsoft, tell them that SP2 hosed my comp and I can't find my cd-key. They say, no problem, and read me the information off the top of the CD.
It's an OEM disk from newegg, and only says "for distribution with a new PC only.." blah blah and the Rep says, "so you got that disk with your computer?"
I say "No, I bought the CD from newegg when I bought my motherboard & processor"
He continues "okay, " and starts giving me a new CD-key!

MORAL OF THE STORY: do NOT install SP2 unless you have your CD-key, time to reinstall windows and at LEAST 3 separate backups of all your files!
I'm sure glad I didn't have to bust out all the DVD backups, but boy, that would have sucked cause I have a few more files since the previous backup.
 
also, since when is it required to turn off the computer to unplug the svga/dvi cable and use the monitor in a different comp?

also, why bother to unhook your computer, tote it to your friend's house to show him CS:S?
Why not just have him come over to your house?
 
J Macker said:
also, since when is it required to turn off the computer to unplug the svga/dvi cable and use the monitor in a different comp?

also, why bother to unhook your computer, tote it to your friend's house to show him CS:S?
Why not just have him come over to your house?
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You know, i was thinking the exact same thing... I even thought i posted it but i just searched and nothing...
 
Phoenix86 said:
OK, now prove it to the upset, uninformed parents...

Of course the irony in all this is, they don't trust the guy when he says he didn't do anything, yet they trust him to fix it.

:rolleyes:
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Why would you bother proving it? Just leave and let those dumbasses figure it out.

I wouldn't even waste any time trying to explain it to them.
 
Josh_B said:
Why would you bother proving it? Just leave and let those dumbasses figure it out.

I wouldn't even waste any time trying to explain it to them.
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Well, if they wanted to be an ass about it, they could take you to court where you would lose. All that would matter is this: Who was using the computer last? Was permission given to operate it?

Besides, it's his friend's parents' machine, they would just call his parents and he would have to fix it anyways. Or worse, make him pay to have someone else fix it.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Well, if they wanted to be an ass about it, they could take you to court where you would lose.
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BS...his friend gave him permission to mess with it. There's no way he'd be held legally responsible.
If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe it's best not to talk.
 
O[H]-Zone said:
BS...his friend gave him permission to mess with it. There's no way he'd be held legally responsible.
If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe it's best not to talk.
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we plug his parents "business" computer
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It's not his machine, it's his parents, so the friend can't OK usage. It's also a business machine, they could sue for lost business as well, he could actually be on the line for a chunk of $$ if this hit small claims court.

The best way out is what he's doing, suck it up and fix it even though technically he probably didn't cause any damage. Don't touch other people's stuff, this is a kindergarden lesson...
 
Phoenix86 said:
It's not his machine, it's his parents, so the friend can't OK usage.
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He sure can. He'd be acting as an "agent" to the owners, just like the guy behind the counter at a business.

Phoenix86 said:
It's also a business machine, they could sue for lost business as well, he could actually be on the line for a chunk of $$ if this hit small claims court.
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Anybody can sue anyone else for anything they want to. The case would be thrown out the first time a Judge saw it.

Phoenix86 said:
The best way out is what he's doing, suck it up and fix it even though technically he probably didn't cause any damage. Don't touch other people's stuff, this is a kindergarden lesson...
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If you're driving down the highway and you feel that urge, should you stop at a gas station and use their restroom? It's other people's stuff...if the sink was broken, the owner could sue you, right? But we have to use other people's stuff constantly...every day. Gas pumps...displays with goods in them...coolers...I use a computer at the Library sometimes...computers at school. Just saying "don't" is naive. Bottom line:
His friend's parents could sue him...they wouldn't get Jack
Don't be paranoid about the law. In general, if you act "reasonably", you're protected. It's reasonable to shut off a computer whan an agent of the owners is present and gives permission.
 
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He sure can. He'd be acting as an "agent" to the owners, just like the guy behind the counter at a business.
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That's rediculous, your child is NOT an agent on the parents behalf. Think about that for just a second, your saying a child can act on behalf of their parent.

Watch and small claims court TV show, a child giving permission on behlaf of the parent doesn't work.

O[H]-Zone said:
If you're driving down the highway and you feel that urge, should you stop at a gas station and use their restroom? It's other people's stuff...if the sink was broken, the owner could sue you, right? But we have to use other people's stuff constantly...every day. Gas pumps...displays with goods in them...coolers...I use a computer at the Library sometimes...computers at school. Just saying "don't" is naive. Bottom line:
His friend's parents could sue him...they wouldn't get Jack
Don't be paranoid about the law. In general, if you act "reasonably", you're protected. It's reasonable to shut off a computer whan an agent of the owners is present and gives permission.
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If you come into my house from the highway and expect to use the bathroom to take a leak, expect a differnt reaction than a gas station. It's reasonable to assume things meant for PUBLIC use are treated different than things in a PRIVATE residence. I think your comparisone is off base.

Do you know what the bar for guilt is in small claims court? It's isn't "innocent until proven guilty" it's more like "reasonable guilty" meaning you may have to prove your innocence if it's likely your guilty. It's reasonable to say "it was working when I last used it, and after he did, and now is broken." Replace "it" with "computer" "car" or "machine" and most people won't notice the difference. The OP is reasonably guilty, and proving otherwise would be difficult.
 
wow this thread grew two pages since i left lol... the computer is all better now and the parents are pleased... *better fuckin be since i returned their computer to them BETTER than it was before... faster no spyware/adaware...* they had all sorts of problems, corrupted registry, and the HP factory backup was even screwed over somehow, the computer couldnt use the hidden partition, anyways fresh computer, used ERD commander to get their backups which included lots of stupid favorites and some quicken shit... ended up having to install quicken because they didnt know how to import the data and her accountant person said he would do it for 100 bucks, (of course they didnt want to pay so all of a sudden they trust me with it) anyways, its all done, im not going to ever touch that computer, and when it gets infected with spyware again and needs to be fixed, im either charging a hefty amount to fix it (and leting them know that if it breaks, i will fix it for yet another fee) or they can take it somewhere else and get it reformatted for 300,000 dollars. anyways... for those of you nit picking at my story, i had to turn off the computer because i wanted to use the mouse and keyboard and speakers and the power cable as well.. so shutup... and i live way out in the boonies, i was at work with my comp preloading HL2 and he happend to be on the way to the movies, so i stopped by to show him...got it? now, where was i....... the comp is working, everyones happy, and im not going to pay for their HP tech call (by the way, they are charging my friends parents 40 bucks because they had to put together all of their brains and say "um reformat it". i gues that is what HP considers "fixed"...
 
First of all....

wtf is wrong with using paragraphs dammit? :mad:


Congrats on a problem solved though
 
darkecho said:
wow this thread grew two pages since i left lol... the computer is all better now and the parents are pleased... *better fuckin be since i returned their computer to them BETTER than it was before... faster no spyware/adaware...* they had all sorts of problems, corrupted registry, and the HP factory backup was even screwed over somehow, the computer couldnt use the hidden partition, anyways fresh computer, used ERD commander to get their backups which included lots of stupid favorites and some quicken shit... ended up having to install quicken because they didnt know how to import the data and her accountant person said he would do it for 100 bucks, (of course they didnt want to pay so all of a sudden they trust me with it) anyways, its all done, im not going to ever touch that computer, and when it gets infected with spyware again and needs to be fixed, im either charging a hefty amount to fix it (and leting them know that if it breaks, i will fix it for yet another fee) or they can take it somewhere else and get it reformatted for 300,000 dollars. anyways... for those of you nit picking at my story, i had to turn off the computer because i wanted to use the mouse and keyboard and speakers and the power cable as well.. so shutup... and i live way out in the boonies, i was at work with my comp preloading HL2 and he happend to be on the way to the movies, so i stopped by to show him...got it? now, where was i....... the comp is working, everyones happy, and im not going to pay for their HP tech call (by the way, they are charging my friends parents 40 bucks because they had to put together all of their brains and say "um reformat it". i gues that is what HP considers "fixed"...
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You've done well then more enough for them then they know. By the way why the hell would you pay for them calling HP tech support when your the person that fixed the PC in the first place. Obviously you didn't need the tech support.

In my view I believe that you stopping by and shutting down their PC causing all the nasty viruses/spyware to surface was the best thing that happened to them. What if the power went out and they had to restart? it would cost them hundreds to get everything reloaded, then a lot of time to get everything back in order. Don't forget the lost business too, they would of been out of a PC for a good 1-2 weeks.
 
Good job, you did the right thing in the face of a bunch of BS.

Now, EJECT!!!
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;)
 
Its things like this that can break someone mentally. I ended up replacing my brothers entire computer, because it died completly. the case, psu, and cpu wernt bothered. He tried to install the cpu or something, busted off a few caps on the motherboard. It still ran, and he installed a hard drive. the floppy cables were plugged into the cd rom, the cd rom was plugged into a HDD controller, the controller was plugged into the motherboards IDE... what a mess. Wouldnt even POST...

So i had to disembowl my 500mhz server, swap the guts in record time, and put the thing back together. I did do something to the computer, which was installing a 3.5" mounting bracked in the 5.25" bay. Because i touched it, and was involved at the scene of the murder, i had to replace it all. Although a mounting bracket wont burn out a motherboard, oh well.

Also, with my parents, i used the "family computer". Its the only one with internet. I sat down to use ebay, and the home page tried load. Being on dialup, and dont want to sit here for 5 minutes. I clicked stop, typed in www.ebay.com and started crusing through ebay for stuff. I got off the computer, and my dad sat down later.

I ended up hearing my name being yelled at about 150Db. The "my favorites" was full of Adult port - XXX - hardcore type links. The homepage was also hardcore xxx porn. I was accused of loading the computer up with porn, and bookmarking them. My grandma said she didnt think i would be stupid enough to do that. I explained to my parents about this thing called Active X, and they did not beilve me. A Quick call to the ISP by my parents confirmed what i told them. Your computer can be loaded up with porn without you even looking at a porn site.
 
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Just my 2 cents but I would make her sign some kind of freaking wavier saying you gave it back in working condition have her check it sign off on it that she has the restore cds and her files are there.

If she is that anal about stuff bro i see small claims court in your future LOL .. :eek:
 
never admit it was your fault. As soon as you do, everything else you say is tainted with that...i'm sorry..
similar thing ALMOST happened to me...forunately a quick boot-into safe mode + chkdsk + reboot into normal mode saved the day :rolleyes:
 
The fact remains that this guy screwed with the computer. I find it troubling that one does not accept responsibility for ones actions. But Times are changing and everyone is trying to shove responsibilities and fault onto everyone else.

Time to swallow your pride and admit your mistake. Stand up and take it like a man.
 
bonkrowave said:
The fact remains that this guy screwed with the computer. I find it troubling that one does not accept responsibility for ones actions. But Times are changing and everyone is trying to shove responsibilities and fault onto everyone else.

Time to swallow your pride and admit your mistake. Stand up and take it like a man.
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Whats wrong with you man? Did you read anything here?

The computer was loaded with spyware, and he just turned it off. Could have happened to any one of us. Now he fixed it for them. They're happy, hes happy, everyones happy, yay.

Stop trying to be Mr. Cool and Condescending across the internet.
 
bonkrowave said:
The fact remains that this guy screwed with the computer. I find it troubling that one does not accept responsibility for ones actions. But Times are changing and everyone is trying to shove responsibilities and fault onto everyone else.

Time to swallow your pride and admit your mistake. Stand up and take it like a man.
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I do have a problem with people getting blamed for more that what's actually their fault. His actions triggered it, but did not cause it, as far as I can see.
The ideal series of events would, IMHO, be:

1) He tells the parents "I'm sorry, I turned off your computer and unplugged it, then reconnected it and turned it on again, without your permission".
2) The parents know enough to know that this is one of these things computers are made to withstand
3) They ask him if he messed with any settings
4) He answers, truthfully, "No"
5) They believe him and blame software.

He knew that it wasn't likely to happen like that, so he stalled a little bit, before he fixed things he didn't break (but was blamed for).
Oh, the horrible youth of today. :rolleyes:

If you disagree, then tell me: What was his mistake?
 
HHunt said:
If you disagree, then tell me: What was his mistake?
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"without your permission"

This is his only mistake, however, getting permission wouldn't have helped him. People like this would have still blamed him, would have accused him of doing something other that shutting it off, it's probably what they think now.
 
THere is nothing wrong with me ... who cares if it was loaded with spyware, virii, whatever

Him turning it off made the comp screw up. He wrote the parents never turned it off therefore the machine would never have gone down had he not turned it off.

It makes me sick that people will not take responsibility for there actions. Even if there was some under lying cause . his actions are what caused the machine to malfunction. Its great the machine is up anf running.

But it still doesn't fix that fact hes not wanting to take responsibility for his own actions. Anyone who believes otherwise has a lot of growing up to do.

Direwolf20 said:
Stop trying to be Mr. Cool and Condescending across the internet.
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as for this nonsence ... I am not trying to be "Mr. Cool" I am just being a responsible adult

so if your driving a friends car and something goes on it because you hit a pothole .... is it acceptable to tell your friend ... ohh it was going to go eventually anyway ? Or to you take responsibility because your actions caused the failure?
 
No, but if I'm driving my friends car, and the engine blows up because hes never changed the oil in it, its not my fault either, now is it? Or would you say 'Hey, you're driving, its you're fault'?

See, the thing you are missnig is, the computer was busted in the first place, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He fixed it for them for free. Why are you coming down on him like hes the devil or something? That computer would have been rebooted sometime. He did them a favor by clearing it off and fixing it.
 
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