i2500K Black Friday Upgrade

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wolveen

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Hey Guys
Looking for some thoughts on upgrading my rig this Black Friday/Cyber Monday to one that will be support VR and improve game and windows performance.

I am stuck between the i5 8400 ($200) and the R7 1700x ($259) or R5 1600x ($190)..hopefully these go lower tomorrow :)

I know the i5 8400 seems to be crushing the Ryzen in tests but there are so many people claiming its still close (??)

I would like to stick with Micro ATX and the Z370 options for the mATX are very very limited (4 or 5 boards maybe) I really dont care for any of them.
So that is where Ryzen comes in...so many great choices for mATX boards!

Shame the i5 8400 wont work in any other boards but the Z370 chipset!

Any thoughts, advice?

I know I 'should' wait ...this PC is still rockin' but really who can wait when it comes to building a new upgrade lol

Thanks!
 
I just traded my 2500k for a 3770k. The boost at 1080p is enough for any game. Bf1 min frame is 80 on a 64 man furball. This is with an oced 980 and 16gb with the 3770@4.3.
I am planning on a new platform next year. For now though. No worries at 1080p.
 
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In no way is the 8400 crushing ryzen at all. Not the 8 core.

I jave an 8600k and it barely pulls 1100 points in cinebench OCd to 4.7 all core with a cache bump to 3.

At stock speeds the SingleThread is a whopping (yawn) 161 or so. The ryzen is at least a 165 and multicore is 1300 plus.

Honestly the ryzen is your higher performer than the clock locked 8400. Get an 8600k to have a better winner and even then only in gaming.

I could quote 5 more benches but Cinebench is a great meteric for expected real world performance.

Jusr my observation. Please lay caution to the winds of bias on these forums where AMD is satan and only Intel is holy to a great number of fan boys.

Im not really impressed with Coffee Lake but Skylake X I love. I just needed a second PC upstairs so I got an 8600k in hopes to sell it and plop an 8 core with SMT next year.
 
tangoseal said:
In no way is the 8400 crushing ryzen at all. Not the 8 core.

I jave an 8600k and it barely pulls 1100 points in cinebench OCd to 4.7 all core with a cache bump to 3.

At stock speeds the SingleThread is a whopping (yawn) 161 or so. The ryzen is at least a 165 and multicore is 1300 plus.

Honestly the ryzen is your higher performer than the clock locked 8400. Get an 8600k to have a better winner and even then only in gaming.

I could quote 5 more benches but Cinebench is a great meteric for expected real world performance.

Jusr my observation. Please lay caution to the winds of bias on these forums where AMD is satan and only Intel is holy to a great number of fan boys.

Im not really impressed with Coffee Lake but Skylake X I love. I just needed a second PC upstairs so I got an 8600k in hopes to sell it and plop an 8 core with SMT next year.
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How could ryzen with both lower IPC and lower clock best even an 8400 in single threaded performance? How is that even possible?
 
tangoseal said:
In no way is the 8400 crushing ryzen at all. Not the 8 core.

I jave an 8600k and it barely pulls 1100 points in cinebench OCd to 4.7 all core with a cache bump to 3.

At stock speeds the SingleThread is a whopping (yawn) 161 or so. The ryzen is at least a 165 and multicore is 1300 plus.

Honestly the ryzen is your higher performer than the clock locked 8400. Get an 8600k to have a better winner and even then only in gaming.

I could quote 5 more benches but Cinebench is a great meteric for expected real world performance.

Jusr my observation. Please lay caution to the winds of bias on these forums where AMD is satan and only Intel is holy to a great number of fan boys.

Im not really impressed with Coffee Lake but Skylake X I love. I just needed a second PC upstairs so I got an 8600k in hopes to sell it and plop an 8 core with SMT next year.
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Cinebench isn't great for gaming performance. Play a game that doesn't bottleneck your videocard and see the difference between Ryzen and Coffee lake.

I upgraded from socket 1366 to Ryzen and it was an okay boost for gaming but was not worth the money spent. Switched to Coffeelake for $250 more and I am blown away.


Edit: I also want to add that only certain games that really pushes the CPU will you notice the difference between Ryzen Coffeelake. For example, games like PUBG even @ 1440p max settings on a 1080 Ti I noticed the FPS a lot between them because the minimums on the Coffeelake are a lot higher.. we're talking mid 50's to high 70s from my hours and hours of playing PUBG. Other games not so much because their FPS is either way too high to notice or the 1080 Ti gets hammered XD

Either ways I would say Coffeelake pretty much doubled my minimums from my older 1366 system and for my experience it was worth the extra money but for someone else Ryzen might be just fine overall especially if you're pegging the video card a lot.
 
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Shintai said:
i5 8400 beated the value out of Ryzen big time. Its the defecto gaming value chip to buy now.
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For sure. After spending two months researching ryzen builds a few days ago I went and picked up an 8600k. Now if they were only in stock everywhere at msrp...
 
Snowdensjacket said:
How could ryzen with both lower IPC and lower clock best even an 8400 in single threaded performance? How is that even possible?
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The 8600k when OCd destroys the IPC of Ryzen anything. The 8400 does not as you cant OC it.

I am not paraphrasing other sites. I have owned an 8700k and now an 8600k and a 1700x and a threadripper and a 7820x. I know what im talking about.
 
tangoseal said:
The 8600k when OCd destroys the IPC of Ryzen anything. The 8400 does not as you cant OC it.

I am not paraphrasing other sites. I have owned an 8700k and now an 8600k and a 1700x and a threadripper and a 7820x. I know what im talking about.
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8400 peaks in single threaded performance at 4ghz. Top ryzen peaks at 4ghz. 8400 has higher ipc so it wins single threads. Ryzen is still a great processor and ryzen 7 is very compelling for certain workloads for sure.
 
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