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I used the equalizer properly

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Big Fat Duck

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I was reading some threads about headphones in this forum, and some guy said that turning any of the sliders above the midline is a bad idea, instead lower the ones that you dont want to stand out and then raising the global volume. I just have to say, that was the most helpful tip ever.. Because before i had my bass up to the top and everything else at the midline: the bass sounded like utter crap. Trying this guy's technique of lowering the high end sliders and turning up the volume really made it sound superb, and the bass didnt fuzz up. Most of you probably know this as common knowledge but id like to say this is a really helpful technique
 
Yep, using the + end of the EQ is a fine example of the problems of "double-amplifying" a signal.

Pretty much cut back, and you will be good. Actually Yamaha Stereo receivers have a "loudness" control that works in this exact way...instead of boosting the bass and treble, throws a massive filter on everything between. I've never been fond of "loudness" controls, but I do think theirs works the best I have seen as far as retaining sound quality.
 
Amazing how good music can sound when the card isn't clipping isn't it? :D
 
Pardon me butting in, but reading this post sorta peaked my interest in the subject.. so I have a sorta followup question.

Just... err as an example, take WinAmps EQ. If I understand what's being posted here correctly, instead of raising the bars to make certain sounds "stand out" more, you should lower the bars for everything you don't want to stand out? Or does this only apply to "real" EQs?

One other similar question: What's the difference between dropping the bars and upping the volume, and raising the bars/lowering the pre-amp slider? Once again, for WinAmp.. =\

Oh.. and.. err is there a place/way to get a universal EQ on a computer as opposed to just having the music sound purty in WinAmp?

Sorry if these are sorta "newbie" questions, but just a little tinkering with the WinAmp EQ showed that this new headset had a LOT more to offer, sound quality wise... and now I'm interested in getting that same quality elsewhere.
 
Toilet Duck said:
Just... err as an example, take WinAmps EQ. If I understand what's being posted here correctly, instead of raising the bars to make certain sounds "stand out" more, you should lower the bars for everything you don't want to stand out? Or does this only apply to "real" EQs?

One other similar question: What's the difference between dropping the bars and upping the volume, and raising the bars/lowering the pre-amp slider? Once again, for WinAmp.. =\

Oh.. and.. err is there a place/way to get a universal EQ on a computer as opposed to just having the music sound purty in WinAmp?
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i was just using my sound card driver/software's equalizer, i dont know what you mean by 'real' equalizers

what i noticed from upping the equ bars is that the bass sounds like crap, and made me lose confidence in my headphones abilities. dropping the equ sliders and upping the volume doesnt have any of that crap, just nice crisp bass
 
mustang_steve your right about yamaha stereo recievers sounding great.
I have a yamaha natural stereo reciever and a optimus equalizer and the sound is
amazing , tons of bass and nice highs.


-Topgun
 
Yea, I know absolutely nothing about sound systems, but after reading this post I went and tinkered with the EQ built into Winamp. When I said "real" I was referring to those large ... things.. with sliders on them that DJs have. (Yes, yes, I'm sickeningly aware of my lack of knowledge, which is why I'm here trying to broaden my horizons ;) ) I wasn't certain of how the Winamp EQ operated, but from the looks of things it's not different.

Back on subject, tinkering with the lil sliders finally produced music that sounded better to me by raising the lower end slightly and most of the higher end ones a little more. It made the.. uh.. well, "center"/"meat" whatever the heck you want to call it of the music sound softer and sorta evened out the volume. This is just to my ears, of course, and I'm sure it's different for everyone. It just so happens that right after that, I read this post, and learned of the "lower sliders, raise volume" idea.

Of course, since I didn't get an immediate response to my question, I went and tinkered with it some more.. and yes, to me lowering the stuff you wanna soften and raising the volume in general did sound a lot less.. uh.. scratchy? So, that's how it's set for now.

Anywho, yay for reading forums and learning new and amazing ways to productively spend 15 minutes :p
 
Here's why:

The individual sliders will up the volume at a signal level. So when you up the signal, you increase the chances of clipping the signal. Signal clipping occurs when the sound is boosted enough that peaks in the recording go beyond 0Db, at which point it is lost, resulting in a squared sine wave....thus that shitty sound.

The "volume" slider I have no idea why it works better....I never touch it. For the most part I don't touch EQs unless I'm critiquing a peice of equipment and trying to figure out what frequency range some anomaly is at.
 
Mister X said:
Amazing how good music can sound when the card isn't clipping isn't it? :D
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not to mention how much longer the speakers will last... ;) since (imo, and only imo) probably way more speakers have met their maker from "squared" waves than from too powerful ones...
 
Toilet Duck said:
Yea, I know absolutely nothing about sound systems, but after reading this post I went and tinkered with the EQ built into Winamp. When I said "real" I was referring to those large ... things.. with sliders on them that DJs have. (Yes, yes, I'm sickeningly aware of my lack of knowledge, which is why I'm here trying to broaden my horizons ;) ) I wasn't certain of how the Winamp EQ operated, but from the looks of things it's not different.
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You mean a hardware equalizer instead of a software one?
 
ccotenj said:
not to mention how much longer the speakers will last... ;) since (imo, and only imo) probably way more speakers have met their maker from "squared" waves than from too powerful ones...
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I didn't know that. What's the logic/phsyics behind the "squared" waves ruining speakers?
 
at the risk of going too far ot, and at the even greater risk of boring people... :)

a clipped wave is a "distorted" wave...
a speaker trying to "play" (i.e. reproduce) a distorted wave will produce tremendous amounts of heat...
voice coil overheats... melts various speaker parts... under extreme circumstances, tweeter goes up in flames, although i've never been actually lucky enough to see this happen... :D although i wouldn't like to see it happen to mine... :eek:

here, check this out... a pretty straightforward explanation
 
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