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I hate ATI

Always do the chipset before the video card. Thats even one of Alienware's FAQs for poor performance.

Next, try not to act like a 6 year old when something goes bad. Its easier to think when you are actually thinking.

"Testing" broken cards was really stupid.
 
EngineChauffer said:
You might want to also think about buying a program to erase your hard drive since a reformat does not always fix problems with XP and drivers. I use a program called wipe drive 3.0 and you can wipe the drive clean to DoD standards and start all over again.

It was about 30 bucks, and it might save you alot of headaches. I would also double check all jumpers and connections on everything and such, maybe even re-seat your ram.

Good luck
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Oh man, you are hilarious.

I've got some snakeoil I'll sell ya.

By the way, you can get what you're talking about for FREE, and open source. Heard of Darik's Boot and Nuke? http://dban.sourceforge.net/
 
EngineChauffer said:
You might want to also think about buying a program to erase your hard drive since a reformat does not always fix problems with XP and drivers...
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What!?!

Ouch, brain hurts.

The only XP/Driver problem that a format and correctly done reinstall won't fix is user error.

* * *

To the OP, sit down, cool off. As has been suggested, you likely have a software or BIOS config problem.

Start in the BIOS:
Video BIOS Cacheable > Off
Side Band addressing > Off
Fast Writes > Off
AGP > 4x
Make sure that nothing is overclocked and relax your RAM timings until we get this fixed.

I know I'm missing a couple, but start there.

In Windows, unistall everything ATI or VIA related. Reboot in safe mode and run driver cleaner. Then reboot and install the chipset drivers. Reboot and install the ATI drivers. Reboot and jump into display properties to make sure everything is set up correctly. Tell us what the smartgart tab says.

If that doesn't do it. I'm sorry, but you'll likely need to blow out the install and start fresh.

And RELAX! Goddammit.

-dB
 
hate to tell you this, but don't give up

I have a friend that has that board, he couldn't get any ati card to stabalize in it, ended up using a nvidia card till he could buy a new one. i don't know what it is about that board, but when he stuck the ati in there it wouldn't work.

oh, and i have installed video drivers before chipset drivers before, i don't think that is your problem as my system is stable
 
god, why does this happen to me, people you have to read the goddamn posts in order to understand the situation at hand. I've done this format install bullshit a thousand goddamn times, and it doesn't do shit, even if I disconnect the internet I still have the drivers installed THROUGH WINDOWS XP w/SP2. Do you understand what I mean by "w/SP2"? See there's these new version of the windows xp discs that already have SP2 intergrated on them. So that's step one. Step two is this, the bios is fine, and have to disable anything that by default should be on just to get a video card working is in my mind, fucking bullshit. I never overclock for one.

How would I change the irq. Yeah and to the guy saying "don't act like a 6 yr old." I was at this problem allll Fuuucccking daaaay before I came to this thread for help. And how am I supposed to know the card is bad if I first do not test it in a known working system? And just out of curiosity why would we have 8x AGP if it wasn't used, at least in most recent games which will be played on the system? I think you're wrong there.
 
Dallows said:
god, why does this happen to me, people you have to read the goddamn posts in order to understand the situation at hand. I've done this format install bullshit a thousand goddamn times, and it doesn't do shit, even if I disconnect the internet I still have the drivers installed THROUGH WINDOWS XP w/SP2. Do you understand what I mean by "w/SP2"? See there's these new version of the windows xp discs that already have SP2 intergrated on them. So that's step one. Step two is this, the bios is fine, and have to disable anything that by default should be on just to get a video card working is in my mind, fucking bullshit. I never overclock for one.

How would I change the irq. Yeah and to the guy saying "don't act like a 6 yr old." I was at this problem allll Fuuucccking daaaay before I came to this thread for help. And how am I supposed to know the card is bad if I first do not test it in a known working system? And just out of curiosity why would we have 8x AGP if it wasn't used, at least in most recent games which will be played on the system? I think you're wrong there.
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i know how you feel, trust me
 
Uh, yeah.

If he finds a program for free all the more power to him. As for drivers not being erased or being erased when XP is reformatted then, what-ever. I was just trying to suggest something.

I think some of the replies from you guys are unnecessarily harsh.
 
i dont like the drivers.

i updated a driver once, correctly, and one type of command started chugging, for my favorite screensaver. i got over it, but it annoyed me. so i eventually reinstalled win2k

used newest driver, same exact issue, though all games work fine.
 
Dallows said:
god, why does this happen to me, people you have to read the goddamn posts in order to understand the situation at hand. I've done this format install bullshit a thousand goddamn times, and it doesn't do shit, even if I disconnect the internet I still have the drivers installed THROUGH WINDOWS XP w/SP2. Do you understand what I mean by "w/SP2"? See there's these new version of the windows xp discs that already have SP2 intergrated on them. So that's step one. Step two is this, the bios is fine, and have to disable anything that by default should be on just to get a video card working is in my mind, fucking bullshit. I never overclock for one.

How would I change the irq. Yeah and to the guy saying "don't act like a 6 yr old." I was at this problem allll Fuuucccking daaaay before I came to this thread for help. And how am I supposed to know the card is bad if I first do not test it in a known working system? And just out of curiosity why would we have 8x AGP if it wasn't used, at least in most recent games which will be played on the system? I think you're wrong there.
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Actually you're wrong. AGP 4X bandwidth is plenty for a 6800, because the GPU core and RAM will bottleneck before the AGP lane will. PCI-e isn't even remotely necessary and people still have it. Why? Because it sells to people who think they need it, because they don't know how their computer works.

Yes ATI is a pain in the ass at the moment.
 
4x agp is enough for any card out.

And you don't understand irq's, you need to disable the irq because the video card already takes up that irq entirely. By disabling it you make sure nothing else uses it other than the video card, which can cause major problems.

~Adam
 
delusion_ said:
Oh man, you are hilarious.

I've got some snakeoil I'll sell ya.
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QFT You're right, that kid is... well, completely ignorant of how a hard drive works and yet he's purporting things as if he's knowledgable, sadly.

Formating literally makes it impossible for you to retain anything to mess up any data you might add to the hard drive unless of course you have a boot sector virus.

~Adam
 
I guess I'm wrong about AGP, whatever. No matter. And I understand what the irqs are for, but how to change them is unknown to me, never had to do that. Something in device manager? And if there was a conflict issue, wouldn't device manager in system properties tell me? It used to do that in like win98 and stuff, so why not in winXP?
 
Windows xps handling of irqs changed from 98 quite a bit, the xp irqs are not the true hardware irqs.

You need to find it in the bios, enable manual irq steering then disable 10.

~Adam
 
CleanSlate said:
QFT You're right, that kid is... well, completely ignorant of how a hard drive works and yet he's purporting things as if he's knowledgable, sadly.

Formating literally makes it impossible for you to retain anything to mess up any data you might add to the hard drive unless of course you have a boot sector virus.

~Adam
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Thanks for educating me. I am not a kid. Didn't say I knew for sure.
 
So enable manual irq and disable 10 all in bios, seems simple enough. I hope.
 
Dallows said:
I'll let you know tomorrow, haha. God, I hope something works.
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Good good, I had the same problem with my 9700, and it was fixed simply by disabling VPU Recovery, so I have a feeling it will.
 
Dallows said:
what does vpu recovery do anyway?
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fucks up your display, not much else.
edit: prevents successful overclocking if you don't disable it, too
 
maybe I'll just pop that ati card back in now, not much else I have to do.
 
There's been a lot of suggestions so I'm just going to boil things down here.

1. Don't bother with IRQ settings in the BIOS. IRQ 10 is NOT used by video, 11 is. Anyone with the older A+ Cert (who's not paper but actually learned it) will tell you the same. XP and 2000 route all IRQs through 9 because they comply with ACPI standards.

2. You already know, install chipset drivers before video so I won't touch that one.

3. No it is unrealistic to switch from one video card with one chip to another without having to reconfigure your OS. Why do you think 9 times out of 10 it's recommended you format and reinstall when moving from one motherboard chipset to another, unless you're staying with the same brand? They use different drivers, have different features, and don't necessarily plug in to Windows in the same way. Just because you removed the drivers doesn't mean the HAL has the card removed from its configuration.

4. You had two different cards, but I don't recall if you mentioned the card you purchased was the same model. Even still, it rules out the card itself as the problem. If you bought the same model, it may be an incompatability with that model card and that motherboard. This is usually bypassed by the aformentioned AGP bus set to 4X.

5. Don't let Windows install the driver. Yes you can prevent it from installing the driver automatically. If your computer is in a working fasion right now, download the latest ATI Catalyst drivers and burn them to a CD. The drivers on the CD that came with the card are most likely older versions, that's why I don't recommend installing them.

From experiance, I've seen the ATI/VIA issue, but I've also seen it occure with nVidia cards. In every case, it ended up being another factor, not the card. Mostly it was a flawed motherboard, power supply, or RAM. Cutting edge or bleeding edge doesn't mean it works everytime either, it means there are still some issues to work out.

A quick Google also turned up another suggestion:
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3181&highlight=9800xt
Check post #6. You can also disable AGP Write in the BIOS. Where exactly I'll have to get back to you. My 9550 works fine with it enabled but I have an Asus P4P800 Deluxe.
 
1. Okay, I won't bother with that then.

2. Yes, that's what I attempt to do.

3. If you're just swapping out video cards you shouldn't have to reformat the hdd and reinstall windows, maybe if you're doing a whole motherboard thing, yes, I agree. A simple driver cleaner should do it.

4. Yes, the cards were exactly the same.

5. I don't see how putting them on a cd will help any. Sometimes it will ask me to install drivers and which to install and sometimes it doesn't and just installs some microsft based ati drivers.

I'm gonna try the other stuff mentioned, vpu recovery and the agp write and 4x agp stuff.
 
I mentioned putting them on a CD going along the lines that you were doing a format and reinstall. Sorry, I should have made that more clear. :D
 
yeah, I got what you meant, just that it doesn't matter because it'll either install the driver without asking me, with nothing I can do about it, or it will ask me, haha. I don't get it
 
The_Mage18 said:
There's been a lot of suggestions so I'm just going to boil things down here.

1. Don't bother with IRQ settings in the BIOS. IRQ 10 is NOT used by video, 11 is. Anyone with the older A+ Cert (who's not paper but actually learned it) will tell you the same. XP and 2000 route all IRQs through 9 because they comply with ACPI standards.
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Umm, back in the day (and my A+ cert is dated 1998 I believe) when dedicated IRQ's were more important, I ran vid cards at IRQ 9, 10, or 11, depending on what was available in a given system, or if you had a PnP BIOS, what it set to. It really depends on what setup you're using. I'm not suggesting he change IRQ's (I don't think that's his problem), but just an OT note.

P.S. If you go back further, some ISA and VLB vid cards actually had an IRQ 2/9 jumper setting.
 
I have thought ATI sucked since I bought a 9700 pro a long time ago. Thier card cannot overclock worth a shit and thier drivers suck.
 
well, I believe I fixed the problem. I turned off the vpu recovery and toned down to 4x agp. But I did it at the same time so I dunno which fixed it or maybe both. But I was playing hl2 before and it seemed okay. I was playing for a bit and before the game didn't even get to boot up before it rebooted so yeah. Thanks for all the help. I'll let you know if this is definite or if it happens again.
 
Yeah, now I just have to find a way to get down to florida so I can swap out this 9800pro with the 6800GT I put in his computer. That was my 6800GT as seen in my sig.
 
I think someone may have mentioned this already, but make sure AGP fastwrite is off (if you're still having problems that is).

I know I have a different make/model card, but fastwrite was totally fucking up my computer when I had it on with this 6800ultra. Games would freeze randomly, crash and sometimes not even load.
 
>WP< $lipKnot said:
I have thought ATI sucked since I bought a 9700 pro a long time ago. Thier card cannot overclock worth a shit and thier drivers suck.
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And you gleaned this wealth of overclocking knowledge off of one card, huh? :rolleyes:

I had an ATI Radeon 9700NP for quite some time. I never had driver problems, and (after unlocking the BIOS) the card overclocked to Pro speeds just fine. One card is by no means a representative sample of thousands of 9700 Pro cards manufactured.

Not every card overclocks, either. It amazes me how many people say a product "sucks" because it won't perform BEYOND its specs. Tell me, if a product is spec-ed by a manufacturer for certain speeds, is it a given that you can set it for 5,10,20% higher and it will just work? Of course not. If it would, ATI would set all their cards at that speed, and market it as such. Overclocking is a gamble. I find it unbelieveable that people think that if they buy a product and it isn't automatically better than what it's rated for, the product sucks. It'd be like buying a car and expecting its 0-60 time to be a second or two faster than spec-ed by the manufacturer because a couple of auto magazines' test tracks got better results.
 
this is not a overclock thread okay. I believe the problem is fixed, almost positive actually 99% so I think it's safe to say this thread can be closed, thank you all for the help.
 
Irq's can be any irq that a video card can use which I'm sure there are some that it can't.

Most video cards are in the range of 8-11, depending on the make model and mfg.

EDIT: And yes I would bother with it, irq's are very important, switch it off.

~Adam
 
sKiDmArK said:
I think someone may have mentioned this already, but make sure AGP fastwrite is off (if you're still having problems that is).

I know I have a different make/model card, but fastwrite was totally fucking up my computer when I had it on with this 6800ultra. Games would freeze randomly, crash and sometimes not even load.
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Agp fastwrites have never given my a problem, but I dont really see a tangible benefit of having it on ethier. =P
 
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