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I hate ATI

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Dallows

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MOTHER OF GOD WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS COMPUTER!!!!! I hate ATI, really, seriously now. I do. I didn't before, but now I see why Nvidia is the best. I've never had ANY problems with Nvidia cards, never ever ever. This is my first ATI card and I'm about to throw it out the fucking door. Why the hell wouldn't this card work in a top of the line system with all the drivers up to date and working properly? Why god why? Is it that fucking hard? I got one used offline from a reputable person, and it didn't work, would freeze up the system and it would auto-reboot, tried everything, then I popped it in MY system (below in sig) and it did the same thing. So I went out and bought a brand new one from compusa and popped it in, same thing happened, so I reformatted and installed XP, after 10 minutes or so of no gaming, just installing drivers and some software it froze up again. I have a screenshot, someone please tell me how to post it. It might help you understand a lot. Specs again as follows:

AMD64 3000+ Winchester @ 1.8ghz
Asus A8V Deluxe
512mb PC3200 Kingston ram (stock)
Onboard Sound
ATI Radeon 9800pro 128mb 256-bit
Lite-On 52x CD-RW
Fortron 400w PSU
80GB Western Digital 7200rpm IDE HDD
1 Cold Cathode Blue light

What else do you want to know? Fresh install of windows xp with service pack 2 already on the cd. I installed as follows -

Forgot to disconnect the internet so ATI drivers went in first
Then I did the Asus VIA 4in1 drivers off the cd
then sound drivers, then ethernet drivers.

I'm about to run driver cleaner and try the drivers off the ATI cd. For the love of god, someone please tell me if I'm missing something. Is there any known issue with VIA and ATI? Anything? I'm at my wits end here, hours upon hours for fucking ATI bullshit. I need this pc done very soon too. All is appreciated. Thanks


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If that's the same thing as a VPU recovery, it might be possible that your ram is bad. I was having a problem where my video would just lock up for a few seconds and then come back saying it stopped responding.

I only noticed this error when I had switched out my ok memory with my corsair memory. So I took out the corsair memory and I havent had the problem since.
 
Okay.

Why in the hell would you put a card that is known to have issues in your computer? That's your first mistake. That could have fucked your system to be honest.

Second, you did run driver cleaner before installing the card right? That looks like a driver error and not a card error.

Third, why did you install the video card drivers before installing the chipset drivers? Reformat and install the chipset first then the video drivers.

Forth, if that still doesnt work, find a spare computer and put the video card in there, following proper uninstall/install format (run driver cleaner before installing new card).

Fifth, if the card works fine then its a problem with your own rig.

Now get to testing.......
 
I doubt this is an ATI related problem if both the used card and new card did the same thing.
 
First, it didn't fuck up my system, and I wasn't worried that it would, it would be hard to do that actually.

Second, when I say I tried everything, it means just that... everything, I shouldn't have to reformat to install a video card okay, that's just insane. I don't have hours to kill either. A simple driver cleaner run and install of new drivers should work just fine, buuut, it didn't. When the pc booted back up after running driver cleaner then installing new drivers the screen was all fucked up and it rebooted... again.

Third, well, the third thing was answered in the second thing I said, installing the vid drivers first was a mistake, so uninstalling them and then installing the proper drivers is fine.

Fourth - I'm tired of swapping video cards, running driver cleaner, installing new drivers, running tests, etc, over and over again.

Fifth - I still don't think the card works, I'll give it another 10-15 before the screen gets fucked up and I'm again restarting. I've tried different drivers too.

Is it really too much to ask to have a video card work correctly with a simple installation on a brand new system? I don't think it is.
 
When you unistalled the drivers to mask your mistake did you run driver cleaner again?

Have you even tried a different card other than those two on it? I firmly believe that its not a video card related issue.
 
Skrying said:
Okay.

Why in the hell would you put a card that is known to have issues in your computer? That's your first mistake. That could have fucked your system to be honest.

Second, you did run driver cleaner before installing the card right? That looks like a driver error and not a card error.

Third, why did you install the video card drivers before installing the chipset drivers? Reformat and install the chipset first then the video drivers.

Forth, if that still doesnt work, find a spare computer and put the video card in there, following proper uninstall/install format (run driver cleaner before installing new card).

Fifth, if the card works fine then its a problem with your own rig.

Now get to testing.......
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ati radeon has issues with amd 64 and asus delux motherboard? what is this "known" issue?
 
Santasballz said:
ati radeon has issues with amd 64 and asus delux motherboard? what is this "known" issue?
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where in the HELL did he say ati has issues with amd 64 and asus boards ?? he didnt

and i have the above variables, i bought a brand new 9800 pro 256mb a while back got artifacting, so i upgraded my psu still got artifacting so i bought a 500 dollar vid card and dont have artifacting anymore, but the 9800 pro still artifacted on my 2500 barton shuttle motherboard rig
 
try resetting ur bios. ive run in to a couple situations where the bios was not configured properly and had me screaming "WTF!!" over and over again
 
Reformat and install the chipset first then the video drivers.
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This will most likely solve it, however reformatting is maybe not necessary. Try uninstall
all drivers, incl the Via 4/1, and then re-install Via 4/1 first, then Ati Cat.

ati radeon has issues with amd 64 and asus delux motherboard? what is this "known" issue?
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I'm not familiair either with "issues" in this config. Have runned the same config without any problem.
 
Not sure how you got that from my post.

I have also never even heard of that issue, thought it may be there. It could be worth the shot of trying the change to 4x AGP.
 
replying to last for convenience


It's my personal experience that if there is an "issue" occuring on a via chipset + ati gpu setup, that the VIA part is usually to blame..

I know that's a blanket statement, but I've seen it time and time again. - If I move the "questionable" card to another computer not using a via chipset, or if i reinstall or update the via chipset drivers, the problems always seem to go away. This is why I don't use via chipsets anymore.
 
I also think the die was cast when you loaded the Video drivers before the VIA drivers, mistake or not I think that a reformat and reload will cure your problems. Of coarse it is a lot easier to rant and rave and blame the Video card than it is to admit the you made a mistake !
 
How would I disable the vpu recovery? I guess I can reformat and install once, I've never had problems with VIA before, maybe because I was using nvidia cards, ya know.
 
Dallows said:
How would I disable the vpu recovery? I guess I can reformat and install once, I've never had problems with VIA before, maybe because I was using nvidia cards, ya know.
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There is an option in the catalyst control panel for VPU recovery. It is just a check box. Uncheck it.
 
oldbrave said:
I also think the die was cast when you loaded the Video drivers before the VIA drivers, mistake or not I think that a reformat and reload will cure your problems. Of coarse it is a lot easier to rant and rave and blame the Video card than it is to admit the you made a mistake !
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Also true. Load SP2 as the very first thing you do, then the latest 4in1s, then the Catalyst suite.
 
About the ASUS-ATI conflict, mine dissappeared after SP2 was released. But I am on a P4 system.....I used to play for like 10-15 minutes then my system would just crash to desktop. But as I already stated SP2 seemed to have fixed it.


Asus P4C800 Deluxe
P4 3.2ghz Prescott
1 GB of Geil Ultra Platinum PC4400 (DDR 550)
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb 256bit (soon to be upgraded to X800 pro)
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1
200GB Maxtor Diamondmax9
420 watt Raidmax power supply
 
If you've tried two different 9800Pro's and both do not work, that should tell you to start placing blame elsewhere. I'm not sure if its been suggested, I didn't read entire thread, but make sure that the jumpers on your motherboard are set properly.
 
peltman78 said:
There is an option in the catalyst control panel for VPU recovery. It is just a check box. Uncheck it.
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bingo, I have a feeling that this is the problem.
 
VIA's 4in1 dont have AGP drivers anymore, SP2 has the universal driver now.

make sure you have SP2 installed before anything
 
You might want to also think about buying a program to erase your hard drive since a reformat does not always fix problems with XP and drivers. I use a program called wipe drive 3.0 and you can wipe the drive clean to DoD standards and start all over again.

It was about 30 bucks, and it might save you alot of headaches. I would also double check all jumpers and connections on everything and such, maybe even re-seat your ram.

Good luck
 
EngineChauffer said:
You might want to also think about buying a program to erase your hard drive since a reformat does not always fix problems with XP and drivers. I use a program called wipe drive 3.0 and you can wipe the drive clean to DoD standards and start all over again.

It was about 30 bucks, and it might save you alot of headaches. I would also double check all jumpers and connections on everything and such, maybe even re-seat your ram.

Good luck
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Where did you get this information that a RAW format doesn't clean the hard drive?
 
EngineChauffer said:
You might want to also think about buying a program to erase your hard drive since a reformat does not always fix problems with XP and drivers. I use a program called wipe drive 3.0 and you can wipe the drive clean to DoD standards and start all over again.
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You don't have to pay for such a program... there are freeware apps that do the same thing, even the zeroing to DoD standards.
 
I can't seem to find that vpu recovery thing. And wouldn't bumping down to 4x kill peformance?
 
Is your mainboard flashed to latest bios and settings applied correctly?

OldMX
 
Rock solid my aunt fanny.

I've had one chipset and it tended to crash more than an 8 year old's micromachines. The 4in1's are gay little bitches, this one is probably no exception.

~Adam
 
Dallows said:
I can't seem to find that vpu recovery thing. And wouldn't bumping down to 4x kill peformance?
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Modern games barely use AGP 4x much less 8x. I would not expect to lose more than 1-2%.
 
nothing yet? i came here a while ago to look at the post, and nothing yet. hell, maybe its in the wrong slot...or something. i hope this gets fixed soon for this guy. what are you so time-pressed for?
 
Lord of Shadows said:
Ive had quite a few via chipsets and they have all been rock solid. Heck who makes better chipsets? Before nvidia there werent many alternatives.
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Intel makes a better chipset.
So does nvidia [i know, I'm repeating]
and at one time, winbond made chipsets which where very stable, but they weren't necessarily speedy, and i think winbond never could afford the licensing fees for some of the newer tech
 
Laforge said:
replying to last for convenience


It's my personal experience that if there is an "issue" occuring on a via chipset + ati gpu setup, that the VIA part is usually to blame..

I know that's a blanket statement, but I've seen it time and time again. - If I move the "questionable" card to another computer not using a via chipset, or if i reinstall or update the via chipset drivers, the problems always seem to go away. This is why I don't use via chipsets anymore.
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I second this wise man. I wouldn't hit a VIA chipset with a 10 foot pole.
 
Mr Mean said:
Where did you get this information that a RAW format doesn't clean the hard drive?
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I have seen it here. Many people have continued to have problems after installing new hardware and drivers whether new soundcards, videocards, HD controllers and the such. People in the past have linked to articles to other sites that have backed it up. I am not a software kind of person, but it seems like it could be true.

In my experiences, using the program that I mentioned or one like it has worked as I have not run into any of these problems. I have had a 9800 Pro AIW for a year now with no problems. As others have mentioned, I would intsall the chipset drivers and such before intstalling the vid card drivers. Maybe that should work? Just a suggestion.
 
powerade said:
where in the HELL did he say ati has issues with amd 64 and asus boards ?? he didnt

and i have the above variables, i bought a brand new 9800 pro 256mb a while back got artifacting, so i upgraded my psu still got artifacting so i bought a 500 dollar vid card and dont have artifacting anymore, but the 9800 pro still artifacted on my 2500 barton shuttle motherboard rig
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might have been a heat issue. 9800pro's stock heatsinks are weak. They get super hot in a big case already, so in a SFF you'd imagine.
 
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