HP ZR24w

Are these glossy or matte-finish displays?

I'm trying to find the best Apple Cinema Display knock-off in either 1920x1200 or 1920x1080.

Thanks.
 
so if you feed it 1080p video, it can't display it as 1920x1080??? That's seems like a dumb design...
 
kenyee said:
so if you feed it 1080p video, it can't display it as 1920x1080??? That's seems like a dumb design...
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Currently that appears to be the case...there's no way to turn on `Fill to Aspect Ratio' for 1080p. The only option you get is `Overscan,' along with `Fill to Screen.'

I sent an e-mail to HP tech support this morning about it and all I got back was a link to the User's Manual. =( I haven't heard back from my reply where I specifically asked about 1080p, and why `Fill to Aspect' doesn't seem to be supported. He seemed to be stressing that the `Factory Preset Modes' listed in the User's Manual were the only supported modes for the monitor though... Unfortunately when I was going through the modes again I noticed that I completely missed noticing that 1280x720 is NOT listed in the factory preset modes for the ZR24w! =( I must have just glossed over it, since there are a few 1280x modes listed (1280x960 and 1280x1024) and it is listed for the ZR22w.
 
After lots of stress trying to figure out which monitor to get, I went with the ZR24w. Thanks to everyone's work in detailing your experiences, it helped tremendously.

Just to add some to the discussion, i'll comment on what the HP rep told me today. After I asked for the ZR24w he said "Oh, another one? I've been getting calls for this all day". I guess this forum is to thank.

He said it was in stock and shipping out on saturday with 3-5 day shipping. Shipping was free with the phone call, he reiterated the 30 day return policy, and added NC tax of about $28. I'll keep updated on whether or not the shipping was accurate and my thoughts after opening it.
 
snclawson said:
Currently that appears to be the case...there's no way to turn on `Fill to Aspect Ratio' for 1080p. The only option you get is `Overscan,' along with `Fill to Screen.'

I sent an e-mail to HP tech support this morning about it and all I got back was a link to the User's Manual. =( I haven't heard back from my reply where I specifically asked about 1080p, and why `Fill to Aspect' doesn't seem to be supported. He seemed to be stressing that the `Factory Preset Modes' listed in the User's Manual were the only supported modes for the monitor though... Unfortunately when I was going through the modes again I noticed that I completely missed noticing that 1280x720 is NOT listed in the factory preset modes for the ZR24w! =( I must have just glossed over it, since there are a few 1280x modes listed (1280x960 and 1280x1024) and it is listed for the ZR22w.
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your doing better then i am so far. i sent an email about this this morning and havnt heard a word yet.
 
snclawson said:
Currently that appears to be the case...there's no way to turn on `Fill to Aspect Ratio' for 1080p. The only option you get is `Overscan,' along with `Fill to Screen.'
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Can you tell me what "overscan" along with "fill to screen" looks like then if you feed it a 1080p source? Since no one has posted any pictures of a 1080p source like a 360 or PS3 yet (as far as I know), I guess I don't really understand how this monitor is interacting with them.
 
celox said:
ok guys i've seen enough of the ps3/xbox questions so i will have pics for you in a moment... it is FINE lookin
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ffxiii 1080p
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x1.jpg
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x2.JPG
little big planet 720p
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 720p x1.JPG
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 720p x2.JPG

if you want to see other pics then http://sadfish.net/zr24w

everything i've taken pics of is without touching anything in the OSD except "information" all i used to connect to the PS3 was an HDMI cable (from time warner, nothing special) an HDMI (female) to DVI (female) adapter that i've had for around 5 years when HDMI first started hitting consumerdom.

i dont have an xbox or i'd test that for you. =( PS3 seems to work beautifully though
 
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celox said:
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x1.jpg
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x2.JPG

if you want to see other pics then http://sadfish.net/zr24w

everything i've taken pics of is without touching anything in the OSD except "information" all i used to connect to the PS3 was an HDMI cable (from time warner, nothing special) an HDMI (female) to DVI (female) adapter that i've had for around 5 years when HDMI first started hitting consumerdom.

i dont have an xbox or i'd test that for you. =( PS3 seems to work beautifully though
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oh hell, why didnt i think of that. i bet ive got an hdmi/dvi converter in a box some place. ive been waiting for my hdmi/dvi cable to come in for the last 3-4 days.
 
celox said:
ffxiii 1080p
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x1.jpg
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x2.JPG
little big planet 720p
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 720p x1.JPG
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 720p x2.JPG

if you want to see other pics then http://sadfish.net/zr24w

everything i've taken pics of is without touching anything in the OSD except "information" all i used to connect to the PS3 was an HDMI cable (from time warner, nothing special) an HDMI (female) to DVI (female) adapter that i've had for around 5 years when HDMI first started hitting consumerdom.

i dont have an xbox or i'd test that for you. =( PS3 seems to work beautifully though
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The display looks beautiful on my PC, but it pisses me off that the scaler is broken. =(

Don't you notice that the `round' planets in your Little Big Planet pic are actually ovals? and that everything is slightly `squished' or stretched? Granted, stretching a 16:9 source out to 16:10 isn't all that terrible, but how frigging hard can it be to display 1080p 1:1 on a 1920x1200 monitor?

Granted, I may be slightly pickier than your average joe, as this is the first new monitor I've bought for home use in ~9 years (comming from a 21" Sony G520 CRT), and the cheap 24" Soyo PVA panel I bought for work also has a seriously broken scaler (not to mention no HDCP, so the PS3 _really _ doesn't like it).
 
looks like circles to me lol. i guess not only do i fail at identifying colors but also shapes LOL.

in the second pic the little white respawn ring looks like a good circle, right? maybe it's because i wasnt taking pics dead center or something.

oh well. i guess i dont pay that much attention to that stuff. do you want more?

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i did notice that in the 720p resolution pics it doesnt state the actual resolution like it does in the 1080 pics.

*edit 2*
i used circle tool in adobe and you're right... the planets are ovals. i guess the 16:9 to 16:10 is a noticeable difference.
 
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celox said:
ffxiii 1080p
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x1.jpg
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 1920x1080 x2.JPG
little big planet 720p
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 720p x1.JPG
http://sadfish.net/zr24w/playstation 720p x2.JPG

if you want to see other pics then http://sadfish.net/zr24w
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Thanks, finally someone with a PS3. After looking through your pictures I think everything looks pretty good. I didn't actually notice the oval planets until after I scrolled down and read snclawson's post. I wish this monitor had 1:1, but 1080p stretched doesn't look bad at all from what I can see. It may be a compromise I'm willing to accept at least since this seems to be a really great PC monitor (and my time is spent about 60/40 PC vs console gaming).
 
just got done hooking up my ps3 with an hdmi/dvi converter.

for osme one coming from Svideo only, it looks just fine to me. id prefer it if the scaler worked correctly, but i can live with this.
 
evandena said:
Looks like Buy.com has it for $395 with free shipping and 4-7% Bing cash back.

http://www.buy.com/prod/zr24w-24in-s-ips-lcd-mon-sby/q/loc/101/214928474.html
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Just ordered it from Buy.com's Amazon storefront (yeah, I could have ordered it directly from buy.com, but I'm an amazon prime member and i'm used to ordering stuff from amazon and i like their order tracking better).

Same free shipping price of $395. + CA tax of 28 (not prime eligible obviously, but amazon honored buy.com's free shipping).

Will get here sometime next week i think.
 
My ZR24w has shipped today, should be getting it sometime next week. Looking forward to it, last monitor I bought was an Acer 2051W. My current HP w2207h was a gift from HP. I spent less on the ZR24w now than I did on the Acer back in 2006.
 
I got my ZR24w today, i have calibrated it with Spyder 3 Elite. 2,2 gamma, 6500k, 120 luminance.

But there is some issues with my monitor, on fullscreen white pages i see that my monitor suffers from tinting, the down left corner area have some red to it, but upper right area is more normal white, the red/white changes gradually: left down corner= redish ---- > right up corner= normal white.
It feels really stupid to read hardware news on fudzilla.com, because left down corner is redish and then gradually it gets more white on up right corner, it feels like having a 200$ monitor or something like that.
I think approximately 70-75% of the white picture is redish white.

Btw i'm not entirely sure if you can call it "redish white", it might be red/orange white, or just darker white. Anyhow.. it's not normal white.

Also my monitor have some areas with backlightbleed on a 100% black screen, there is 3 areas: close to right down corner= very apparent. Close to left up corner= pretty apparent. Right up corner= minor.

I took some pictures of the monitor: 1= http://img258.imageshack.us/i/img1638m.jpg/
2= http://img258.imageshack.us/i/img1639.jpg/
3= http://img258.imageshack.us/i/img1641j.jpg/
4= http://img684.imageshack.us/i/img1642k.jpg/

The pics doesn't show that good how it looks like irl, the tint on white screens is a bit more apparent in real life.
On Pic 3 you can basically only see the backlightbleed close to down right corner, and a bit of the blb on top right corner, but the blb on top right corner seem to have gone away a bit with time, weird.
Oh and the big things on all 4 corners is mostly reflections, it doesn't look like that irl.

Pic 4 shows a bit of the blb close to left up corner. And again, the other stuff is reflections and stuff which the eye can't see.

I could have accepted the backlightbleed, but i cannot accept that it can't display white correctly. So i guess i have to try to get the monitor exchanged.
I must be the first one who gets a monitor with tint? =(

Btw excuse me for my bad english, hope you guys atleast understand what i'm saying.
 
Hay guys

I take it the 720p, 1080p scaling problem only affects consoles and stuff getting put through the screen or does it also affect the PC side of the screen too when viewing Blu-Ray/HD movies in windows???

Thanks for responding.
 
celox said:
ok guys i've seen enough of the ps3/xbox questions so i will have pics for you in a moment... it is FINE lookin
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I have to agree with snclawson in that stretching 16:9 to 16:10 is not "fine" for me. Of course it is not as warped as watching 4:3 TV stretched to 16:9, but I still like to see things unscaled.

I am just a bit baffled why the screen does not allow 1:1 with the correct aspect ratio in this case. I'd imagine it would be much easier to show black bars than do a full re-scale of the image.

Of well, I guess I will have to use other screens for the consoles.
 
@celox:

Have you tried pivoting the three screens into portrait mode next to each other and doing a 3600x1920 Eyefinity setup that way? That should be an aspect ratio roughly equal to 16:8.5, meaning it would be really close to the standard aspect ratio that game engines expect. It might help a lot with the field of vision issues you have in some games (though of course you lose the immense width).
 
Blackbird said:
Nothing in the OSD got changed after the calibration.
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Well, I don't know what's going on here. Usually games use their own gamma setting, and erase the one the software calibration has done.

Have you tried several games ? Is the calibration making a huge difference, easy to spot ?
 
Aesma said:
Well, I don't know what's going on here. Usually games use their own gamma setting, and erase the one the software calibration has done.

Have you tried several games ? Is the calibration making a huge difference, easy to spot ?
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In LFS (Live For Speed) the difference is big, in Battlefield Bad Company 2 it is much smaller, only noticeable if you take pictures of the screen and compare, and even then i'm not sure if it's something else which slightly changes the image, and in a old game which i tested i don't notice any difference.
 
HP doesn't seem to have any e-mail support for ZR24w?
Damn hassle to return my monitor =/
I don't even know if i want this monitor anymore because of all these issues, the risk is big that the replacement will have the same issues.
In a swedish forum pretty many seem to have issues with it.

I saw some pics which a dude posted in this thread, i got impressed by the white and black which his screen had.
The white were 100% white, not 80% red like mine is, and his black were 100% TOTALLY black in a completely dark room? WTF? My monitor would shine like a sun in a similiar scenario. Almost like a TN-panel.
I wonder what kind of super panels you have there in USA..
 
Blackbird, you just got a bad monitor you need to get a replacement. Other then the issues have you tried comparing with your HP w2207h? You said you would let me know.
 
Jasheon said:
Blackbird, you just got a bad monitor you need to get a replacement. Other then the issues have you tried comparing with your HP w2207h? You said you would let me know.
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I don't know what to say because i got so disappointed because of the issues..

I'm not that impressed by the viewing angle, picture quality seems ok, but the picture quality is also good in W2207h.
I noticed that my W2207h benefited more from hardware calibration than what my ZR24w did, there was not a big difference when i calibrated my ZR24w.

Sometimes i do notice that this isn't a glossy monitor, sometimes it feels like everything have a thin layer to it.. everything feels a bit.. "washed out", "dim", "foggy".
But it doesn't bother me that much, i think.. haven't bothered me yet atleast.

In windows i don't notice the bigger size that much.. but in games everything feels bigger ;P
It feels like i'm inside the game more or something.

I don't notice a difference in inputlag/response time in games, but when i move a window quickly on the desktop it feels like it moves faster or something, maybe it's imagination though..

It's kinda funny that when i got the monitor i instantly turned down the brightness to 45 (from 90), and then i started calibrating, the calibration software said that my luminance with that brightness setting were about 215 if i remember right, i had to set the brightness down to 3 to get 120 in luminance ;P
I wonder how high the luminance is with 90 or 100 in brightness....
 
Sylver123 said:
Hay guys

I take it the 720p, 1080p scaling problem only affects consoles and stuff getting put through the screen or does it also affect the PC side of the screen too when viewing Blu-Ray/HD movies in windows???

Thanks for responding.
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Windows does not have this problem because the media player will show the image at it's correct resolution with black bars above/below the picture. With consoles the monitor would have to know to do this and apparently it doesn't, which sucks. Oh well, still a great monitor otherwise.
 
mryerse said:
Windows does not have this problem because the media player will show the image at it's correct resolution with black bars above/below the picture. With consoles the monitor would have to know to do this and apparently it doesn't, which sucks. Oh well, still a great monitor otherwise.
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Thanks for responding mate.

I ordered mine from OcUK yesterday and just wanted to be absolutely sure i`ll be able to view 720p, 1080p Blu-Ray/HD movies in windows without scaling problem.

Also is this screens input lag definitely fully acceptable when gaming??? because i`ll be using the screen for gaming and HD/Blu-Ray and general windows usage, that's all.
 
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http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Monitors-and-video/tech-question-about-the-ZR24w/td-p/250605

Apparently 1:1 pixel mapping is not supported properly for 1920x1080 and most likely lower 16:9 resolutions.

HP, please fix this ASAP as it is not kosher. The previous 16:10 model supported this (LP2475w) as well as other manufacturers (DS-263N, PX2611W, U2410). Don't blame the user, you supported HDCP. People will continue to hook up 16:9 content from dvd/blu-ray players and consoles. A slow or no fix will devalue your product/brand name. Any sales boost you'd expect from the promotional models will be easily negated by RMA/returns (they are just starting, please head it off with a public firmware fix).

Sylver123, I have only seen the PVA family of panels affected with input lag issues, mostly from implementation of the overdrive "feature". Unless you get an EIZO, LaCie or NEC panel with photo work minded features (hardware LUT, image and/or frame processing etc) I can't see you running into any input lag issues on an IPS display. If anything you'll be surprised with the color accuracy and vibrancy (but not oversaturated thanks to native SRGB) from the ZR24W before realizing you can't feel any frame lag.
 
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Wow, thanks for that post. I'll see if I can make some time to hook up my 360 this weekend and test it out. I've been trying to get outside more.
 
Just tried that by setting my PC to 1920x1080, overscan is off by default, and it scales the picture (No black bars). Turning on overscan just cuts off more of the display. I think it may be the correct aspect ratio, but you're missing part of the picture all around the screen.

This is the same behavior I saw with my Xbox using a dvi-hdmi cable.
 
Is that the kind of thing that can be fixed with a firmware update, or is it a hardware issue?
 
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