How much life does Socket 1155 have?

provoko

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Ivy bridge was the last one, correct? How many more CPU generations will come out for Socket 1155?

Should I just move on to Socket 2011?

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If I was going G34, which CPUs should I select to get performance as fast as i7-3770: Opteron 6128, 61xx, 62xx?

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I'm mostly going to be doing video editing, so I've decided to pursue LGA 2011 and possibly CPU E5-2620
 
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Jeremy C

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None.

Slightly longer answer: Haswell used Socket 1150, so Ivy is the end of 1155.
 

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No intel socket ever has a long future, 775 was a bit of an anomaly, and even that only lasted like 3 generations. You can count on intel sockets to last 2 generations, but frequently MBs made early on in that socket life won't be able to support the refresh.
 

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Only reason to touch 2011 is if you're in a software environment that demands huge RAM pools. For any normal usage it is a waste. Even F@H folks in the [H]orde don't bother with it.
 

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^

or if for some reason you want to go dual CPU. For Xeon's hyperinflated prices though, you could easily build 4 physical machines and work out some sort of distributed solution.
 

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or if for some reason you want to go dual CPU. For Xeon's hyperinflated prices though, you could easily build 4 physical machines and work out some sort of distributed solution.

G34 servers by AMD are cheaper and will do work just as fast.

Only people in [H]orde with 2P or above Xeon 2011 servers...are those that have them at work and are burning them in. Everyone else is running G34. 50% or so of the production of the [H]orde comes from G34 4P servers.
 

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You can get 32GB on LGA1155. I imagine there are relatively few desktop tasks that benefit from a boost to 64GB, but there's always that option if you need it (and maybe some overlap between those and DP workstation boards with even higher maximum memory capacity).

I think most enthusiasts who go LGA2011 just do it because it has some performance benefits in not too unusual tasks, and because they can afford it.
 

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You can get 32GB on LGA1155. I imagine there are relatively few desktop tasks that benefit from a boost to 64GB, but there's always that option if you need it (and maybe some overlap between those and DP workstation boards with even higher maximum memory capacity).

I think most enthusiasts who go LGA2011 just do it because it has some performance benefits in not too unusual tasks, and because they can afford it.

I have 32GB on my 1155.

For Hyper-V / Virtualization work, 32GB goes fast v_v
 

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G34 servers by AMD are cheaper and will do work just as fast.

Only people in [H]orde with 2P or above Xeon 2011 servers...are those that have them at work and are burning them in. Everyone else is running G34. 50% or so of the production of the [H]orde comes from G34 4P servers.

G34 4P, is that four socket mobos? I only see dual socket mobs for G34.

Wouldn't an i7-3770k beat out an Opteron 6212?
 

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G34 4P, is that four socket mobos? I only see dual socket mobs for G34.

Wouldn't an i7-3770k beat out an Opteron 6212?

G34 comes in up to 4P

As to your last question, it *entirely* depends on what you're doing.
 

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G34 4P, is that four socket mobos? I only see dual socket mobs for G34.

Wouldn't an i7-3770k beat out an Opteron 6212?

Processor-to-processor, YES!

But when running F@H, the points you earn are non-linear, so if you complete a processing task twice as fast you get several times the points. This can make the difference between 30k points and 100k+ points per day...but if you combine the output of multiple *individual* cores like the 3770k the scores add linearly - you need a multi-processor system running a single program instance to get the score bomus. And given that you'd need 3+ overclocked 3770Ks to match the AMD 4P, the system cost going 4P is not all that much more.

Finally, I'm not sure if this still applies, but there are additional BONUS points awarded for BIG work units (targeted for instances with 16 or possibly 32 threads. These work units are so processor-heavy that only massively-parallel machines can finish the task by the due date, and there are so few machines that can meet the deadline that they give you the bonus in appreciation.
 
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Not to thread jack, but who would be a good resource to ask about building a few G34 4-way systems? Looking to build two large ones myself for all of my VM needs.
 

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Do you need the CPU power of a 4 socket system or are you just looking for RAM capacity, because a 2 socket 2011 system will have as much or more RAM capacity as a 4 socket G34
 

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Well I guess I need a balance of both. My Dual x5650's are doing okay but I would like more than 48GB of ram. *and more CPU cores as well.
 

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Are you actually using them or is this just wanting MOAR? My dual socket system under normal VM load hover around 6-10% with over 20 VMs running on it. If you're not actually going to use the extra CPU power the price difference could go toward a lot more RAM
 

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Only reason to touch 2011 is if you're in a software environment that demands huge RAM pools. For any normal usage it is a waste. Even F@H folks in the [H]orde don't bother with it.

There's another reason...PCI-E lanes. If you're looking to go tri/quad SLI, 2011 is the way to go.
 

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How much life is subjective...if a SB or IB will meet your needs three years from now, then 1155 is still alive.

If you are a user that needs more than what it is capable of, then it's dead.
 

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But I think Haswell is getting more lanes as well. So that advantage is soon to be nullified.

Haswell is 16 channels PCIe.

LGA2011 also still has major advantage in memory bandwidth, memory size, and hexacore+.
 

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If I was going G34, which CPUs should I select to get performance as fast as i7-3770: Opteron 6128, 61xx, 62xx?
 

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This is some really sad news. I just ordered a 1155 mATX board and now its in the end of life situation. I doubt I could afford a haswell board and cpu anyway though. I'm assuming I'll be able to use my 1155 for a few years yet to run all my appropriate things right? I don't feel that it will become useless in less then 4 years from now!
 

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It's not unreasonable to expect a computer to last 4-5 years these days. Even a person who compulsively upgraded their computer every year in the late 90's early 2000's can probably get 3 years out of a computer these days, 10% IPC with 0% clock speed increase every 18 months isn't near as compelling as literally doubling speed as well as architectural improvements were
 

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It's not unreasonable to expect a computer to last 4-5 years these days. Even a person who compulsively upgraded their computer every year in the late 90's early 2000's can probably get 3 years out of a computer these days, 10% IPC with 0% clock speed increase every 18 months isn't near as compelling as literally doubling speed as well as architectural improvements were

Well G34's outlook looks like it's going to last a long time.
 

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Thanks for the uplifting reply Dragon. Seems that the PC market has hit a hard wall of sorts, wonder if the industry will be able to break through in the next 20 years.
 

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literally doubling speed as well as architectural improvements were
That's pretty infrequent, and has pretty much only happened a few times in the past 25 years: the 486DX & Pentium (major uarch improvements over predecessors) and Athlon 64 X2 (due to doubling the number of cores). Everything else at introduction, every 3 or so years, gave ~20-25% IPC improvements over prior uarch, and sometimes also clock speed improvements if more cores weren't added. Today we're not too far off from that: a tock-tick-tock or tick-tock-tick cycle (~3 years) improves IPC by at least the same %.

It is disappointing that AMD can't get its act together, and Intel is pursuing a strategy of lower power and better performance per watt, while leaving top end clock speeds stagnant (although low end clock speeds have improved very much). The availability of the K models does help somewhat, and gives a pretty high value of performance per dollar.

This certainly is an awkward stage of convergence between mobile type power and desktop type thermal limits. It isn't a problem for the vast majority of computer purchasers, but could be distressing to enthusiasts.
 

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How much life is subjective...if a SB or IB will meet your needs three years from now, then 1155 is still alive.

If you are a user that needs more than what it is capable of, then it's dead.

QFT

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Pentium 1 - March 1993 - 66MHz - 0%/year
Pentium 1 - June 1995 - 200MHz - 90%/year
Pentium 2 - May 1996 - 300MHz - 54%/year + arch improvements
Pentium 2 - January 1998 - 450MHz - 31%/year
Pentium 3 - February 1999 - 600MHz - 31%/year + arch improvements
Pentium 3 - October 1999 - 1130MHz - 132%/year

P4 fucked everything up so I won't keep going, and the explosive decade may have been a few years earlier than I thought, but still during the time before the P4 there was a 1130 / 66 = 17.1x improvement in clock speed in less than 8 years, and performance scaled better since uArch improvements made things faster still.

Sure there was some burstiness to the progress but back then you were an idiot not to upgrade from a Pentium to a P2 and then to a P3, but these days if you have a SB you're good to skip IB and not lose your [H] badge, heck you can probably skip HW too unless that thing somehow OCs like a monster.
 

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I'm mostly going to be doing video editing, so I've decided to pursue LGA 2011 and possibly CPU E5-2660 or E5-2665.

Did Intel hint at a 12 to 16 core for their E5 socket LGA 2011? If not, this looks to be a good setup regardless.
 

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Not to thread jack, but who would be a good resource to ask about building a few G34 4-way systems? Looking to build two large ones myself for all of my VM needs.

Well, the guys in the DC section can help, not what we usually use them for but its there if ou need it.
 

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Only people in [H]orde with 2P or above Xeon 2011 servers...are those that have them at work and are burning them in. Everyone else is running G34.

Not entirely true, LGA 2011 is better than 1366 in 2p - faster, more cores, more pcie lanes and better power efficency
 
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