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What price drop do you guys think we can expect out of Nvidia come August 25th?
We all know that they are planning on shrinking the core to 55nm to reduce production cost; thus a price drop is inevitable.

From the practical perspective, they have to do it. SLI'd GTX280's cost nearly $200 more than HD4870x2; making ATI an even more attractive choice over Nvidia. I love what we are seeing these days; ATI is really making Nvidia slash their prices.

Personally, GTX280 is an attractive card to me, the performance it delivers is simply outstanding.. Right now, it's about $100 more than HD4870. Do you guys think that with the shrink to 55nm Nvidia's pricing for GTX280 will improve? Maybe it will cost as much as HD4870, $50 more?
 
aFive said:
What price drop do you guys think we can expect out of Nvidia come August 25th?
We all know that they are planning on shrinking the core to 55nm to reduce production cost; thus a price drop is inevitable.

From the practical perspective, they have to do it. SLI'd GTX280's cost nearly $200 more than HD4870x2; making ATI an even more attractive choice over Nvidia. I love what we are seeing these days; ATI is really making Nvidia slash their prices.

Personally, GTX280 is an attractive card to me, the performance it delivers is simply outstanding.. Right now, it's about $100 more than HD4870. Do you guys think that with the shrink to 55nm Nvidia's pricing for GTX280 will improve? Maybe it will cost as much as HD4870, $50 more?
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not really, the die shrink will only address part of the problem. the board cost is the other part. a 512 bit system is not easy to do and expensive to manufacture. the die shrink will help nvidia regain some of their profit margin but I am not sure they can keep slashing prices, they have way too many problems creeping up on them to start selling these at a loss. If they did have a 350 dollar GTX280 I would jump on that as well
 
Valset said:
not really, the die shrink will only address part of the problem. the board cost is the other part. a 512 bit system is not easy to do and expensive to manufacture. the die shrink will help nvidia regain some of their profit margin but I am not sure they can keep slashing prices, they have way too many problems creeping up on them to start selling these at a loss. If they did have a 350 dollar GTX280 I would jump on that as well
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You do not think GTX 280 will drop any?
What is there to expect in terms of performance? Is it something worth waiting for?
 
I think it will drop a little more but I don't know how much more, I doubt its much. I am sure the die will help but GTX280 was not designed to be low cost, everything about it is expensive. and if they did drop the price to within 4870 territory amd has plenty of room to drop the price themselves (the original price was going to be around 229.) the GTX280 could drop to 330 and still be a hundred over the 4870. I doubt that they are going to try and play that game with AMD.

Then again remember the adage about free advice...
 
I would have to guess Nvidia is cutting their bus to 256bit and going with GDDR5 memory. If they do, we should see a decent price drop.
 
its not as simple as that. the chip is still too big for 256 bit even with the die shrink.
 
If you want the performance of a GTX280 at a lower pricepoint you could always just get a 260 and overclock it. They typically overclock to 280 levels, if not more, quite effortlessly from what I've read on a few forums.

Still I think ATI has better AA options, and AA performance too; 512mb and a 256 bit bus doesn't seem to hold back the 4870 all that much with the bandwidth of GDDR5.
 
dmonkey said:
If you want the performance of a GTX280 at a lower pricepoint you could always just get a 260 and overclock it. They typically overclock to 280 levels, if not more, quite effortlessly from what I've read on a few forums.

Still I think ATI has better AA options, and AA performance too; 512mb and a 256 bit bus doesn't seem to hold back the 4870 all that much with the bandwidth of GDDR5.
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But isn't it still worth going with GTX280 over 260?
 
aFive said:
But isn't it still worth going with GTX280 over 260?
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Well that's up to you I guess, but I haven't seen the 280 overclock very well without water. So it's not like 260 overclocks to 280 levels and 280 overclocks to GTX300 or whatnot.
 
dmonkey said:
Well that's up to you I guess, but I haven't seen the 280 overclock very well without water. So it's not like 260 overclocks to 280 levels and 280 overclocks to GTX300 or whatnot.
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I see, I am as confused as one can be right now. I can snag HD4870 for a great price now, wait to see what Nvidia does; really not sure on what to do.
 
I thought I heard Jen accidentally mentioned something about the gtx200b at $399? Did anyone else catched that during the CC?
 
im waiting to pick up a 260....im waiting for one more price drop...or for one to go on sale...

Next week im buying a card either way...and will probably step up to the new 55nm...

I dont think a 280 offers that much performance increase over the 260 once you overclock it

And after the 55nm die, the 260/270 should overclock even higher...and then it will be much more attractive than the 4870 at the same price point
 
Dethman said:
im waiting to pick up a 260....im waiting for one more price drop...or for one to go on sale...

Next week im buying a card either way...and will probably step up to the new 55nm...

I dont think a 280 offers that much performance increase over the 260 once you overclock it

And after the 55nm die, the 260/270 should overclock even higher...and then it will be much more attractive than the 4870 at the same price point
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You have to remember that we sitll have no idea how much the 55nm will cost and what kind of performance we can expect; damn it.
 
yea, but it cant be that much more than the current price of the 260s....my guess...the 260s drop 30 bucks in price, till they sell out.. and the 55nm come in at 300ish

buuut i donno...i want them to come out quick
 
Dethman said:
yea, but it cant be that much more than the current price of the 260s....my guess...the 260s drop 30 bucks in price, till they sell out.. and the 55nm come in at 300ish

buuut i donno...i want them to come out quick
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My 8800GTX is on Ebay right now; will sell this Saturday for good amount. My problem is not knowing what to expect out of Nvidia really. I can snag a great deal on HD4870 come this Friday; or I can wait to see what Nvidia does. If nothing, well then I will end up spending more than I had to on HD4870.
 
Dethman said:
you would prefer a 4870 over a 260 at current prices? why?
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Well, actually I probably would go with 260.
But check this out.
I can get HD4870 for $215 Friday; GTX260 is nearly $300 still. Either way, I think it's settled between the 55nm, GTX260/280 for me. It all depends on what Nvidia does next, if their announcement on 25th does not bring anything existing to the table; I may just get GTX 280.

Although, I am still not too sure if it's worth the extra money over GTX 260.
 
you know something i dont know...

there is a price drop/sale for the HD 4870 on friday?

That is tempting, but ive had my heart set on a 260..because of the amazing overclock..less heat problems, step up options to the 55nm, better brands

man, but 215 for a 4870 that is nice.....i really wish that $225 deal would come back on the 260

I get back from a business trip on the 25th, and i really would like a card on my doorstep when i get back.....(maybe i can get one, and based on what nvidea does on the 25th, i can return it, btw, anyone familiar with neweggs return policy? 30 days no restock fee??)
 
Dethman said:
you know something i dont know...

there is a price drop/sale for the HD 4870 on friday?

That is tempting, but ive had my heart set on a 260..because of the amazing overclock..less heat problems, step up options to the 55nm, better brands

man, but 215 for a 4870 that is nice.....i really wish that $225 deal would come back on the 260

I get back from a business trip on the 25th, and i really would like a card on my doorstep when i get back.....(maybe i can get one, and based on what nvidea does on the 25th, i can return it, btw, anyone familiar with neweggs return policy? 30 days no restock fee??)
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Just a deal with some member here oh [H].
HD4870 doesn't have any heat problems, I actually had one for 5 days, lol. It does run rather hot, but adjusting fan speed to 35% makes it a cool camper. OC wise it's pretty good too, can't raise core clock without flashing the bios however.

To me it seems as if though GTX 260 is a better card, more memory and it beats HD4870 in most situations, for additional $50, I think it's worth it.
 
The memory is irrelevant - the 4870 with 512 does not choke under AA or res as much as the 260 in most situations

Either way though 1GB versions are coming out in a few weeks
 
ZerazaX said:
The memory is irrelevant - the 4870 with 512 does not choke under AA or res as much as the 260 in most situations

Either way though 1GB versions are coming out in a few weeks
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Yea, but with limited supply of DDR5 I really think that it might be quite expensive.
 
Supply is probably going to go up soon seeing as how 4870s with 512mb dont have issues, and now they're making 4870x2 with 2 x 1 GB configurations

Keep in mind that memory controller can take up a LARGE chunk of a die and they tend to not scale as well with shrinks. Say hypothetically that it shrinsk die size 15% - defects per area increase exponentially with area so shrinking by 15% might mean 20% more chips for example, thus making up GDDR5 costs.
 
I see, honestly though, even with 1gb; wouldn't GTX 280 still be a better buy?
 
Dethman said:
you know something i dont know...

there is a price drop/sale for the HD 4870 on friday?
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Actually $215 after $30 MIR and $20 instant code on the 4870

Must be purchased before or on the 15th which is Friday:)
 
aFive said:
I see, honestly though, even with 1gb; wouldn't GTX 280 still be a better buy?
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Depends on what reso you game at... 2560 x 1600 the 4870x2 simply blows the GTX280 away.. 1920 x 1200, depends on if you want tons of AA for the cost or its not a priority.. below that and its a waste getting either card.
 
aFive said:
Just a deal with some member here oh [H].
HD4870 doesn't have any heat problems, I actually had one for 5 days, lol. It does run rather hot, but adjusting fan speed to 35% makes it a cool camper. OC wise it's pretty good too, can't raise core clock without flashing the bios however.

To me it seems as if though GTX 260 is a better card, more memory and it beats HD4870 in most situations, for additional $50, I think it's worth it.
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damn nice deal, must hate you now
 
Sixthsense said:
Actually $215 after $30 MIR and $20 instant code on the 4870

Must be purchased before or on the 15th which is Friday:)
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ZerazaX said:
Depends on what reso you game at... 2560 x 1600 the 4870x2 simply blows the GTX280 away.. 1920 x 1200, depends on if you want tons of AA for the cost or its not a priority.. below that and its a waste getting either card.
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1680x1050. Yes, but what about games in the future? GTX280 sounds to be a better deal since it may blow HD4870 out of the water in more demanding future titles.
Valset said:
damn nice deal, must hate you now
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I'm god's right hand servant; what can I say?
 
aFive said:
1680x1050. Yes, but what about games in the future? GTX280 sounds to be a better deal since it may blow HD4870 out of the water in more demanding future titles.
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Hard to say actually, it depends on if games get more shader intensive

The ALU:TEX ratio of the 4870 is actually better tahn the GTX280 (its 4:1 vs. 3:1) and so far, the AA handling of the 4870 is better than the GTX280 as well
 
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