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Discussion in 'Networking & Security' started by maverick786us, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. maverick786us

    maverick786us [H]ard|Gawd

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    Can someone recommend me a good, reliable, durable and easy to install and configure IP / CCTV cameras for the home, which connects using Wifi and can be configured using iOS and Android?
     
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    maverick786us [H]ard|Gawd

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    I am not sure if this is the right place I posted this thread?

    Modder man can you move this thread into an appropriate section, in case, this wasn't the right place, for this thread?
     
  3. Haven

    Haven I Only Post Important Stuff

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    I don't think "Modder man" is a mod on this subforum.
     
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  4. thrash408

    thrash408 Limp Gawd

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    I have an all ubiquiti network, and I installed 6 ubiquiti g3 cameras, have been running for 3 years with little issues. If you want to get to it via phone, you ha e to set up dyndns.
     
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  5. goodcooper

    goodcooper [H]ardForum Junkie

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    you don't want wifi security cameras
     
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    maverick786us [H]ard|Gawd

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    Why not? Its not that I will place the cameras in my bed room, It will be in the living room and outside, so even if the neighbor can hack, i won't worry.
     
  7. Farva

    Farva [H]ard as it Gets

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    Because you can jam a wifi signal. You can even take over the camera so you can make it show nothing is there, when someone is coming.

    I'm sure there is more, but those are 2 things that I know off hand.
     
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  8. Eickst

    Eickst [H]ard|Gawd

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    I agree with the concerns about the vulnerabilities in wifi security cameras, I just feel that in a home environment it's not a big deal.

    You're trying to catch your neighbor's dog shitting in your yard, not fend off professional criminal organizations
     
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  9. Chas

    Chas [H]ardness Supreme

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    I'm of the opinion that you should just do it right (wired) or don't do it.
    AKA "Why install a system with a security flaw so big it gapes like the Goatse picture and screams "COME ON IN!""



    I always loved the banks that used wifi cameras...
    The look on their faces when you seize control of the camera network is just priceless.
    It's even funnier of their IT department was stupid enough to tie it back to their normal data network...
     
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  10. The Lurker

    The Lurker [H]ardForum Junkie

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    That would mean you have to run power to the cameras and its a lot harder to run power than it is it to run an RJ45 with POE and the other benefit is thats hard wired. If you chose to, you could put the entire network switch on a UPS and if the power goes out the cameras and NVR stay on.
     
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  11. Eickst

    Eickst [H]ard|Gawd

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    I agree, I run mine on PoE, we aren't exactly typical users in this forum. Just pointing out that for home use the chances of a security 'event' are low to start with, and having one that includes the criminals hack your cameras is even more remote.

    It's more likely the neighbor's 13 year old will hack in to your cameras, as long as you aren't putting one in the shower it should be ok
     
  12. TeleFragger

    TeleFragger Gawd

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    well ill chime in here on my little knowledge

    I am in the same boat on wifi but not security but more of a, if I did wifi, id setup a separate network only because that is a lot of data to go through for live feed cameras and not sure you would get great motion video from it.

    few years ago we went to Disney and the wife wanted cameras while we were away. being at Sams club they had a Samsung kit... 4 camera 8dvr kit on sale for $220 so she bought it.

    while people say you have to run power... umm yes and no... for POE you have to run a cable correct? well its the same. the cable that comes with the coax cameras has the power line attached to it so you theoretically are still running just one line. at the dvr box side you plugin to the wall then attach a 1 to 4 splitter and boom you got power.

    so I setup 4 cameras all on one power splitter... now my cameras are 1080p and are ok...


    now it is years later and I need to add cameras to the other side of the house and even at 1080, I am not impressed with image quality and got talking to a bud who owns a cctv business. met him recently through my son as its his best friends dad.

    while we were talking, I asked him if 1080p (think that is 2mp) is now the old stuff and if I buy 3 cameras, is there something better for cost and he was like.. oh hell yes.. you should not be going anywhere under 5mp today.

    so hopefully tomorrow he will be dropping off some new toys...

    these are not the prices I'm getting or the place as this is done via a google search for the idea...

    LTS, LTD8508K-ST Platinum Professional Level 8 Channel Video Recorder - https://megadepot.com/product/lts-l...level-8-channel-video-recorder-hd-tvi-4-0-dvr
    LTS, LTCMHT1752-28 Platinum Starlight Turret HD-TVI Camera 5MP / 2.8mm - https://megadepot.com/product/lts-ltcmht1752-28-platinum-starlight-turret-hd-tvi-camera-5mp-2-8-mm

    now with this.. I can add the 3 new cameras, keep my 4 old ones in place and replace those too as needed as the initial dvr, 4tb drive and 3 cameras takes a bit from home budget...



    ***********edited

    forgot to mention that this is an 8x2 box meaning will do 8 coax connections (after 5mp you cant get coax cameras and must go IP).... but will do 2 IP as well.

    I told him I wanted to do IP as IP is the only way to do face recognition and he said, lets get this all setup for now and let the face recognition mature a bit.

    I want that as a guy at work bought the nest IP cameras with subscription and it already paid for itself on the FIRST DAY OF INSTALL!!!!!

    so his $1800 plus $300/yr is vouched for him.. me no.. not that price... and I want no subscriptions



    and I'm going turret as that is what he recommends. I have bullet style and thought they were ok or even dome but he said..nope.. turret is the better choice...



    watch this as this really sheds the light!!!!

     
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  13. TeleFragger

    TeleFragger Gawd

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    Also remote app is a biggie
    Samsung uses WiseView and it was ok in the beginning but then went to crap.

    on the initial phone view you could set all to main stream vs sub stream for higher resolution live view but now you cant. you have to go into one then choose main stream.. big Debbie downer but has no effect on the video being recorded.. its just a live view from phone issue...

    these are screenshots from the phone so not the actual pic you can save which would be a bit better resolution but this gives you an idea..


    my 4 cameras

    Screenshot_20190102-095818_WiseView.jpg


    Sub Stream

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    Main Stream

    Screenshot_20190102-095846_WiseView.jpg


    back yard pool

    Screenshot_20190102-095941_WiseView.jpg
     
  14. Eickst

    Eickst [H]ard|Gawd

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    I think people posting in here are going to lump in the internet connected cameras in the same security boat as wifi security cameras....
     
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  15. Biznatch

    Biznatch 2[H]4U

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    No, the bullshit cloud cameras are FAAAR less secure than wifi. You are now sending all your data out through the internet to the companies servers, hoping it's encrypted in transit and at rest with proper security controls in place to prevent anyone but you access to the feed.....You have zero control of security, or even the ability to check if someone else is accessing that data (or the company is selling access secretly....) How many articles have come up showing these shitty companies didn't focus on security and there are huge vulnerabilities/exploits in the wild allowing access to users cameras.....

    So cloud cameras should be off the table. Period. Only a complete effing idiot would install one and not assume they are now being watched.



    Wifi can be configured much more secure/isolated. About the only valid issue brought up is the ability for jamming the signal. That's not really a concern for me as I'm not doing it for actual security, just monitoring. Cameras are on an isolated vlan with no internet access. You would not believe how many packets get blocked as this shit tries to phone home. The only way to access them is on the local network or vpn.

    For the point brought up about them hacking your camera because it's on wifi, I'm gonna need to see a source or POC of that. Maybe if the cameras have the easy WPS setup bullshit, but that would still require physical access to exploit. The cameras I have require a wired network connection to setup, then you can enable/configure the wifi settings in there. There is no direct wifi connection to the cameras, so if they are not on my network, they can't access/take control of the camera. They could spoof your access point, but that would require knowing your wifi password, and if they knew that you're already effed.
     
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