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HL2 Beta Benchmarks (June 3 2004)

Don't forget that Vampire: Bloodlines uses the HL2 engine is also coming out with SM 3.0 support although Unreal Engine 3 is going to be so awesome to see. Now thats a physics engine!
 
CrimandEvil said:
Don't forget that Vampire: Bloodlines uses the HL2 engine is also coming out with SM 3.0 support although Unreal Engine 3 is going to be so awesome to see. Now thats a physics engine!
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The Unreal 3 engine will blow everything else we've seen so far out of the water.

And Valve's Source engine has nothing on ID's new D3 engine. You have to have a 512MB video card just to be able to run Ultra settings.
 
burningrave101 said:
You should try hanging out on forums that actually have some information mixed with something called FACTS.

SM 3.0 will bring a hell of alot more to the table than SM 2.0b can. You've seen it implemented into ONE game and yet you THINK you know something when you dont.
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What like this wonderfully balanced forum!! I look at this to just laugh at ppl literally cumming over 7fps difference in D3 and then saying I CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!!! THEN calling the 6800GT an X800 XT PE killer when its 2fps fatsre in one game!!lol If it wasn't filled with ppl with the average intelligence of a fart then it would be a good fact finding forum....its not.

And yeah i agree that PS3.0 will bring good things.....but only when a card fast enough to do it justice is released. And dont give me shit saying the 6800ultra IS fast enough because it just plain isnt.

O btw i agree the 6800 series is a MASSIVE step up for Nvidia, and a very good card line...but the drivel i read on here about them is ridiculous.........

O and to the guy banging on about PS3.0 in half life......dont hold your breath for it mate......yeah it will be out but dont bet anytime this yr......
 
Tigerblade said:
What like this wonderfully balanced forum!! I look at this to just laugh at ppl literally cumming over 7fps difference in D3 and then saying I CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!!! THEN calling the 6800GT an X800 XT PE killer when its 2fps fatsre in one game!!lol If it wasn't filled with ppl with the average intelligence of a fart then it would be a good fact finding forum....its not.
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In Doom3 the Nvidia parts are up to 10+ fps faster than equally priced ATI parts, and pull ahead of them in all the benchmarks ran that is what makes them a better buy for that game and a "big win"
 
Tigerblade said:
And yeah i agree that PS3.0 will bring good things.....but only when a card fast enough to do it justice is released. And dont give me shit saying the 6800ultra IS fast enough because it just plain isnt.
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Yeah...whatever. How do you back this up? :rolleyes:

THEN calling the 6800GT an X800 XT PE killer when its 2fps fatsre in one game!
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So far your the only one that said that. People have said that the XT PE got it's ass handed to it my the cheaper lower end card. :rolleyes:

Then again, in recent testing with DOOM 3 we saw that game be very forgiving in terms of CPU scaling. While we cannot get into specifics yet on real-world playability, if you take a look at id Software's Official DOOM 3 Benchmarks here at HardOCP, you will see that NVIDIA's 6800 series stencil shadowing engine makes the most of DOOM 3 blowing past the competitor's cards. If your game is going to be DOOM 3 or you see yourself playing a lot of games utilizing the DOOM 3 engine (and DOOM 3 DeathMatch is a totally new experience that we see ourselves getting into heavily), you are probably going to owe it to yourself to have a BFGTech GeForce 6800 series video card in your computer.
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(BFG review)
I bet your going to call Brent and the other [H[ guys fanboys too now. :rolleyes:

Such a n00b.
 
Tigerblade said:
And yeah i agree that PS3.0 will bring good things.....but only when a card fast enough to do it justice is released. And dont give me shit saying the 6800ultra IS fast enough because it just plain isnt.
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Making things up is fun :)
 
Tigerblade said:
What like this wonderfully balanced forum!! I look at this to just laugh at ppl literally cumming over 7fps difference in D3 and then saying I CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!!! THEN calling the 6800GT an X800 XT PE killer when its 2fps fatsre in one game!!lol If it wasn't filled with ppl with the average intelligence of a fart then it would be a good fact finding forum....its not.
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Its not ONE game. Its EVERY OpenGL based game. What can't you people realize about that? Its not JUST DOOM 3. Its EVERY OpenGL game. The 6800nu even disgraces the X800XT PE in certain games like Neverwinter Nights and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. Call of Duty and KOTOR won last years GOTY awards and they were both OpenGL.

And there will be alot of games built off ID's D3 engine. Look how many were built off the Quake 3 engine.

Tigerblade said:
And yeah i agree that PS3.0 will bring good things.....but only when a card fast enough to do it justice is released. And dont give me shit saying the 6800ultra IS fast enough because it just plain isnt.
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Can you prove that cause? I dont think you can lol.

I want PROOF son, PROOF!! Not more useless drivel thought up by jealous ATI users because their $500 card that they've been mowing lawns all summer for doesn't suppot it.

Tigerblade said:
O btw i agree the 6800 series is a MASSIVE step up for Nvidia, and a very good card line...but the drivel i read on here about them is ridiculous.........
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You should of seen all the useless ATI drivel that was posted on this forum till me and a few others made the big 6800 push :p.
 
Tigerblade said:
What like this wonderfully balanced forum!! I look at this to just laugh at ppl literally cumming over 7fps difference in D3 and then saying I CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!!! THEN calling the 6800GT an X800 XT PE killer when its 2fps fatsre in one game!!lol If it wasn't filled with ppl with the average intelligence of a fart then it would be a good fact finding forum....its not.

And yeah i agree that PS3.0 will bring good things.....but only when a card fast enough to do it justice is released. And dont give me shit saying the 6800ultra IS fast enough because it just plain isnt.

O btw i agree the 6800 series is a MASSIVE step up for Nvidia, and a very good card line...but the drivel i read on here about them is ridiculous.........

O and to the guy banging on about PS3.0 in half life......dont hold your breath for it mate......yeah it will be out but dont bet anytime this yr......
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Allow me to reassure you, my intelligence level is significantly higher than that of a fart...

Please share with us why you are so certain that the Ultra isn't fast enough for PS3.0...because it seems to me PS3.0 is a speed boost, not a performance hit...

And everyone knows exactly how many fps were involved in the Doom3 benchmarks, we all have them memorized by now...and I agree it wasn't a huge margin...the point is simply ATi's uber high-end card got beat by a card that costs $100 less in what's about to be the biggest game ever released...that's important to most gamers and carries a hell of a lot more weight than "I bet ATi will be faster in HL2"...
 
I don't know about anyone else but I've actually been waiting with baited breath for KOTOR2.

Anyways you can't forget this (unless your an ATI fanboy)
The benchmarking was conducted on-site, and the hardware vendors did not have access to the demo before hand, so we are confident that there is no egregious cheating going on, but it should be noted that some of the ATI cards did show a performance drop when colored mip levels were enabled, implying some fudging of the texture filtering. This has been a chronic issue for years, and almost all vendors have been guilty of it at one time or another. I hate the idea of drivers analyzing texture data and changing parameters, but it doesn't visibly impact the quality of the game unless you know exactly what to look for on a specific texture.[/i] On the other hand, the Nvidia drivers have been tuned for Doom's primary light/surface interaction fragment program, and innocuous code changes can "fall off the fast path" and cause significant performance impacts, especially on NV30 class cards.
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(Quoted fully for context).
Honestly I don't know how anyone can argue with JC.
 
CrimandEvil said:
I don't know about anyone else but I've actually been waiting with baited breath for KOTOR2.

Anyways you can't forget this (unless your an ATI fanboy)
(Quoted fully for context).
Honestly I don't know how anyone can argue with JC.
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I agree...I think this sums up the general bad feeling some of us get just knowing that those optimizations are there and can't be disabled...even if they look the same...I would just feel like I'm personally being cheated...I'm sure most people don't give a shit as long as it looks the same...but I expect a lot from my video cards when I pay $400+ for them...I'm glad to see JC feels the same way, now I know I'm not the only anal retentive gamer around...
 
Where do you get the idea that Call of Duty is slow on ATi? I'm pretty sure COD does not use OpenGL 2.0, which the 6800 series seems to be designed around even over DX9.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-05.html

BTW, its not really all that important to compare the X800 and 6800 because the framerates in both are getting so astronomically high at any resolution that its starting to become a Quake. OF note: It interesting to see just how slow the 9600nonpro/9600SE and GF5200/ultra lines are. In OpenGl, the radeon 8500 does get its butt handed to it by the TI4200-4600 series. Its also interesting to note how well the Radeon 9700pro keeps up with the 5900ultra/5950ultra.
 
COD is OpenGL (atleast I believe so) but 2.0 isn't out yet. Personally I'd like to see some updated benchmarks with it.
Yeah heres one and it is OpenGL. NV and ATI are neck-in-neck in it so I'd think there's much more then ATI having bad OpenGL drivers (then agian...). It's some very confusing stuff. Heres another.
 
At least turn off the mip map detection. Everyone knows ATi has optimized its not big secret anymore!

ATi is dirty too all you ATi fan's out there, maybe you should switch to matrox, oh no they cheat too, well last step is xgi and s3, like they hold a candle.

SM 3.0 is one of the most important advances for programmable pixel shaders so far. Up till this there was no way of doing true cinimatic graphics on a real time app. Yes doing things in Toy story is still not possible in a real time game. But the GF 6 line can get parts of it done at reasonable playable speeds. HDRL, ATi can dream of doing that on thier cards, nV doesn't need to worry about it. Multiple lights in one scene (in truth nV's cards can go up to 8 with minor speed loss) ATi can only go up to 3, I heard max 4.

The lighting algorithms for HDRL is a truelly realistic light model same thing used in CG in movies. These cards nV has can handle this, ATi's can't right now period.
 
ZenOps said:
Where do you get the idea that Call of Duty is slow on ATi? I'm pretty sure COD does not use OpenGL 2.0, which the 6800 series seems to be designed around even over DX9.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-05.html

BTW, its not really all that important to compare the X800 and 6800 because the framerates in both are getting so astronomically high at any resolution that its starting to become a Quake. OF note: It interesting to see just how slow the 9600nonpro/9600SE and GF5200/ultra lines are. In OpenGl, the radeon 8500 does get its butt handed to it by the TI4200-4600 series. Its also interesting to note how well the Radeon 9700pro keeps up with the 5900ultra/5950ultra.
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That's interesting...

What's more interesting is the 9800xt getting stomped by the FX5600 on the next page in Q3...that's a touch confusing...

I agree that in most cases the fps are so high it doesn't even matter...the only reason I bring up OpenGL stuff anymore is to show people that Doom3 wasn't "designed by id to play on nvidia hardware better"...and that in fact ATi has had OpenGL issues for quite a while now...
 
@trapine said:
Na EmpTy and Crimevil aint Nvidia Biased are they :eek: Who wouldve thunk that :pKeep pimpin Nvidia boysThe sheep will follow but those with a brain will think for them selfs ;)
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And get a GT. :p
 
ZenOps said:
Where do you get the idea that Call of Duty is slow on ATi? I'm pretty sure COD does not use OpenGL 2.0, which the 6800 series seems to be designed around even over DX9.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-05.html

BTW, its not really all that important to compare the X800 and 6800 because the framerates in both are getting so astronomically high at any resolution that its starting to become a Quake. OF note: It interesting to see just how slow the 9600nonpro/9600SE and GF5200/ultra lines are. In OpenGl, the radeon 8500 does get its butt handed to it by the TI4200-4600 series. Its also interesting to note how well the Radeon 9700pro keeps up with the 5900ultra/5950ultra.
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How many OpenGL games have you looked at?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2113&p=11

You call 58.9 fps on the X800XT PE in Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy astronomically high?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2113&p=12

How about 42.3 fps for the X800XT PE in Neverwinter Nights?

And City of Heroes with Hard has been using in the most recent benches is OpenGL as well. In certain games, every fps is going to matter. A few fps can make a certain setting ither playable or unplayable.

When you set the resolution to 1600x1200 and jack the AA and AF up, the fps isn't going to be astronomically high in OpenGL based games.
 
Also, while this isn't an exact science [cuz no one has posted benchs of the GTs in KotOR that I know of] but my GT gets the same frames at 16x12 4xAA/16xAF that the XTPE gets in 16x12 0xAA 0xAF [around 40, from the xbit labs review].

Oh well, it's not surprising really, KotOR is based off a modified NWN engine.
 
CrimandEvil said:
I wish I was a fanboy like the way he talks, maybe then I could have blown all my cash on a GT and then I wouldn't be ploding along with a dinosaur like the GF2 MX. :D lol
If I don't get something new soon I'm going to start wishing I had that ass ugly Sapphire X800Pro (Toxic...barf).lol
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but if you buy the x800pro. you will keep people who you donn't even know who probably live on the other side of the world from you happy(people like @trapine). @trapine, your gonna have to start facing facts that the gt is the best cost/benefit card out there (actually it's probably the non ultra but forget that for a second), and i'm sorry that the company you love (god knows why they don't make their living by being generous to the fans). and then you have the nerve to call someone a fanboy when you are so blatantly one yourself.
 
You have to admit OpenGL only games are really quite rare, most software development houses are already fully camped in D3D with at most, OGL support.

I would think that if Doom3 had not come along, all Microsoft would have had to have done was create a small performance hit wrapper to run OpenGL 1.x and convert it to DX8.1 and the debate would have been over. OpenGL would be no more (just like Glide)

Even with Doom3, I'm not so sure OpenGL is out of the woods yet, it still needs a companion audio and network solution that integrates into it smoothly. OpenGL does look better than D3D, because thats really all its designed for (at the expense of everything else it seems)
 
Many people have said this in the numerous Half-Life 2 Alpha Benchmark posts that people write and I will say it again. You cant use the Alpha to give a idea of how Video Cards and the computer will perform. It isnt complete a lot of the stuff is missing(AI,Lots of textures, crashing problems,most of the maps dont work). And then when people add in how the video cards play in it, it doesnt become a disscussion it becomes another flamewar of moslty saying that you should buy a 6800GT. I think the mods should come up with a section in the forums just for flaming so all the fanboys can go there and have a 100 page thread on whether Nvidia suxors.
 
ZenOps said:
You have to admit OpenGL only games are really quite rare, most software development houses are already fully camped in D3D with at most, OGL support.

I would think that if Doom3 had not come along, all Microsoft would have had to have done was create a small performance hit wrapper to run OpenGL 1.x and convert it to DX8.1 and the debate would have been over. OpenGL would be no more (just like Glide)

Even with Doom3, I'm not so sure OpenGL is out of the woods yet, it still needs a companion audio and network solution that integrates into it smoothly. OpenGL does look better than D3D, because thats really all its designed for (at the expense of everything else it seems)
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I agree with you completely.
 
Lol I'm a noob.....thats funny

I love winding graphics card fanboys up.....ppl arent allowed to have an opinion in here thats for damn sure lol

The 6800 wont be fast enough because full PS3.0 shader intensive games wont be around for a while yet....by then your beloved nvidia and and ati will both have bigger and faster PS3.0 cards out......look at how the 9700pro struggles with FarCry.......

and yes, the GT only beats the XT PE in one game......and bs about the ultra being 10fps+ faster.........its more like 7fps...anyways, who the fucks counting u aint gonna notice the difference lol!!!!

Makes me laugh when ppl tell ME how I feel about my purchases!!! now thats the intelligence of a fart........respect others opinions, we arent all nvidia sheep ;)

WOOT!!!!! FIGHT!!!
 
Tigerblade said:
The 6800 wont be fast enough because full PS3.0 shader intensive games wont be around for a while yet....by then your beloved nvidia and and ati will both have bigger and faster PS3.0 cards out......look at how the 9700pro struggles with FarCry.......

and yes, the GT only beats the XT PE in one game......and bs about the ultra being 10fps+ faster.........its more like 7fps...anyways, who the fucks counting u aint gonna notice the difference lol!!!!

Makes me laugh when ppl tell ME how I feel about my purchases!!! now thats the intelligence of a fart........respect others opinions, we arent all nvidia sheep ;)
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because someone owns a gt they are now a sheep? this becoming pathetic, for whatever reasons people have been flaming each other about be it the card they own, benchmarks etc. why do we feel the need to call people animals because they made a good decision on a card? i agree that at the moment no card out could cope with full FP32 SM3.0, but since the nvidia cards out now can manage it with partial and full precision for the shaders does it really matter? no IQ loss has been found (because the partial precision shader is run on objects off-screen) and the games run at better performance, plus a new eye candy option and i'm really beginning to think your just too obdurate to face the facts
 
Tigerblade said:
Lol I'm a noob.....thats funny

I love winding graphics card fanboys up.....ppl arent allowed to have an opinion in here thats for damn sure lol

The 6800 wont be fast enough because full PS3.0 shader intensive games wont be around for a while yet....by then your beloved nvidia and and ati will both have bigger and faster PS3.0 cards out......look at how the 9700pro struggles with FarCry.......

and yes, the GT only beats the XT PE in one game......and bs about the ultra being 10fps+ faster.........its more like 7fps...anyways, who the fucks counting u aint gonna notice the difference lol!!!!

Makes me laugh when ppl tell ME how I feel about my purchases!!! now thats the intelligence of a fart........respect others opinions, we arent all nvidia sheep ;)

WOOT!!!!! FIGHT!!!
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I think you are a touch confused...nobody is getting wound up...we're sitting back, relaxing, looking calmly at your post and shaking our heads thinking "man is guy just doesn't get it"...

And that's why we post responses...hoping to help you understand our point of view...I'm not asking you to agree, but I would prefer that you atleast saw the point of all this...so I'll state it again...the Doom3 benchmarks are not about the Ultra beating the XTPE...they're about the X800Pro being outclassed...and the XTPE getting beaten by the GT...it doesn't matter how many frames per second...what matters is right now the GT is better...it's faster...it has more stuff...so when people come to these forums and ask what video card they should get, or ask which is better, of course we're going to tell them the truth...

I'm not gloating over PS3.0 or touting FP32...I think it's nice that they are there but I don't really care too much about them...I care more about what they represent...Nvidia is the one pushing the envelope this generation...I've said it before and I'll say it again...tomorrows software is built on today's hardware...performance and quality on NV40 and its successors is only going to get better as time goes on, whereas the X800 series seems mostly past its glory days...the GT is the clear winner right now...what's so wrong about telling people so when they ask?

Now that's my opinion...feel free to disagree...but don't think you're getting anyone wound up by having a conflicting opinion...I don't think you're wrong...I just think you're missing the point...
 
^eMpTy^ said:
and the XTPE getting beaten by the GT...

Now that's my opinion...feel free to disagree...but don't think you're getting anyone wound up by having a conflicting opinion...I don't think you're wrong...I just think you're missing the point...
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First of all, I've said many a time its a very good card.....but your telling me that the GT is better than the XT PE cos its 2 fps faster in one game? I think that you are missing the point I'm im saying.....the fact that the GT is getting its ass handed to it in everything else doesn't quite click here does it?? ONE game,2FPS, doesn't make the GT an XT PE killer......possibly a PRO killer (although that is also debatable).Shit it was even expected to be a difference like that between the 2 so whats the big surprise over?? I am telling you now......you put 3 pc's together one with an Ultra, one with a GT and one with an XT PE and I am willing to bet a serious amount of money on not only you, but 99% of people will not be ableto tell the difference....thats my point, thats what ppl arent understanding.

Yes its good Nvidia have finally learned, its even quite good they are trying new things, but the raw horsepower isnt thatere at the mo to use these things properly.......

Before you say 'the GT wasnt expected to beat the XT PE' we all know that ATI's OGL drivers are pants....its a DX card, and will probably never be the best card for OGL, but personaly, the only OGL game I played was COD and I finished that in a few days and it boring compared to UT2k4 online (which will probably mirror a lot of peoples views here) and for me, the XT PE is THE fastest in the games I play. When I first looked at this forum last week I just laughed at some of the things I read and actually think the sheep like general public should actually know that it isnt as one sided a thing as what 99% of ppl on here say it is......

It's gonna be tight, they are gonna be very much identical, but thats good for us, the gamers.....lets just see what the x800GT will offer as well, that'll give the 6800GT some much needed competition (at its price point)

Rant over. :)
 
Tigerblade said:
First of all, I've said many a time its a very good card.....but your telling me that the GT is better than the XT PE cos its 2 fps faster in one game? I think that you are missing the point I'm im saying.....the fact that the GT is getting its ass handed to it in everything else doesn't quite click here does it?? ONE game,2FPS, doesn't make the GT an XT PE killer......possibly a PRO killer (although that is also debatable).Shit it was even expected to be a difference like that between the 2 so whats the big surprise over?? I am telling you now......you put 3 pc's together one with an Ultra, one with a GT and one with an XT PE and I am willing to bet a serious amount of money on not only you, but 99% of people will not be ableto tell the difference....thats my point, thats what ppl arent understanding.

Yes its good Nvidia have finally learned, its even quite good they are trying new things, but the raw horsepower isnt thatere at the mo to use these things properly.......

Before you say 'the GT wasnt expected to beat the XT PE' we all know that ATI's OGL drivers are pants....its a DX card, and will probably never be the best card for OGL, but personaly, the only OGL game I played was COD and I finished that in a few days and it boring compared to UT2k4 online (which will probably mirror a lot of peoples views here) and for me, the XT PE is THE fastest in the games I play. When I first looked at this forum last week I just laughed at some of the things I read and actually think the sheep like general public should actually know that it isnt as one sided a thing as what 99% of ppl on here say it is......

It's gonna be tight, they are gonna be very much identical, but thats good for us, the gamers.....lets just see what the x800GT will offer as well, that'll give the 6800GT some much needed competition (at its price point)

Rant over. :)
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Tigerblade, the ATI ogl rewrite won't be ready for a good 6 months. So what you babbling about? You really think ATi would go to a benchmarking of Doom 3 without thier latest or bestest Ogl drivers? What have they been doing for the past year and a half!?
 
rancor said:
Tigerblade, the ATI ogl rewrite won't be ready for a good 6 months. So what you babbling about? You really think ATi would go to a benchmarking of Doom 3 without thier latest or bestest Ogl drivers? What have they been doing for the past year and a half!?
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Did I say anything about ATI's new OGL drivers????? I said the current ones are shit and theyd never be the best at OGL games.....where does 'new OGL drivers appear there?

Although now uve pointed it out....as ATI's drivers are generally accepted to be crap, its pretty interesting its not getting battered more.....

Why do Nvidia users get so techy about ATI's rewrite?! lol
 
Tigerblade said:
Did I say anything about ATI's new OGL drivers????? I said the current ones are shit and theyd never be the best at OGL games.....where does 'new OGL drivers appear there?

Although now uve pointed it out....as ATI's drivers are generally accepted to be crap, its pretty interesting its not getting battered more.....

Why do Nvidia users get so techy about ATI's rewrite?! lol
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Sorry miss read :D
 
rancor said:
Sorry miss read :D
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NP mate :), see Nvidia and ATI CAN get on :)

I tell you what tho...even tho I'm using a 'lowly' XT PE I bet I can still kick all ur GT asses on D3 online ;)
 
rancor said:
actually, I talked to a few people that dled the source leak that alpha leak has alot of ati optimizations done to it.
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oh well shit, in that case how can we argue with such a reputable source? :confused:
 
the sad thing is, it could be true, however the same could be said with doom 3. lets not get ahead of ourselves here people
 
Tigerblade said:
First of all, I've said many a time its a very good card.....but your telling me that the GT is better than the XT PE cos its 2 fps faster in one game? I think that you are missing the point I'm im saying.....the fact that the GT is getting its ass handed to it in everything else doesn't quite click here does it?? ONE game,2FPS, doesn't make the GT an XT PE killer......possibly a PRO killer (although that is also debatable).Shit it was even expected to be a difference like that between the 2 so whats the big surprise over?? I am telling you now......you put 3 pc's together one with an Ultra, one with a GT and one with an XT PE and I am willing to bet a serious amount of money on not only you, but 99% of people will not be ableto tell the difference....thats my point, thats what ppl arent understanding.

Yes its good Nvidia have finally learned, its even quite good they are trying new things, but the raw horsepower isnt thatere at the mo to use these things properly.......

Before you say 'the GT wasnt expected to beat the XT PE' we all know that ATI's OGL drivers are pants....its a DX card, and will probably never be the best card for OGL, but personaly, the only OGL game I played was COD and I finished that in a few days and it boring compared to UT2k4 online (which will probably mirror a lot of peoples views here) and for me, the XT PE is THE fastest in the games I play. When I first looked at this forum last week I just laughed at some of the things I read and actually think the sheep like general public should actually know that it isnt as one sided a thing as what 99% of ppl on here say it is......

It's gonna be tight, they are gonna be very much identical, but thats good for us, the gamers.....lets just see what the x800GT will offer as well, that'll give the 6800GT some much needed competition (at its price point)

Rant over. :)
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Ack...I worded my post a little poorly...I was saying that the d3 benchies are big deal because the gt beat the xtpe and that the gt is better than the PRO...I didn't mean to sound like the gt was beating the xtpe...sorry for the confusion...

And why the hell do people keep saying the 6800u can't make use of its new features??? These random comments just sprouted out of nowhere...does anyone have any kind of proof or even a rational argument to back this up???

And the X800GT is nothing but a rumor...I seriously doubt, even if its existence was confirmed, that you'll see it hit retail in time to do anything...I'm guessing that the refresh of the current cards will see ATi providing a GT-style card to better compete...but it's not like you're gonna see it for a few months yet...
 
rancor said:
Did I say anything about ATI's new OGL drivers????? I said the current ones are shit and theyd never be the best at OGL games.....where does 'new OGL drivers appear there?

Although now uve pointed it out....as ATI's drivers are generally accepted to be crap, its pretty interesting its not getting battered more.....

Why do Nvidia users get so techy about ATI's rewrite?! lol
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Because it's really obnoxious that they dismissed opengl completely for 2 years...and now that doom3 shows up they're like "oh we're in process or re-writing it"...which to me sounds like a load of bs...their users deserve more than bs promises that are 2 years overdue...
 
Tigerblade said:
NP mate :), see Nvidia and ATI CAN get on :)

I tell you what tho...even tho I'm using a 'lowly' XT PE I bet I can still kick all ur GT asses on D3 online ;)
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ATi's aren't bad cards they really have to get with the times though, not making updates in 2 years is not good, then not making good drivers bah, it seems they are getting lazy.
 
Tigerblade said:
NP mate :), see Nvidia and ATI CAN get on :)

I tell you what tho...even tho I'm using a 'lowly' XT PE I bet I can still kick all ur GT asses on D3 online ;)
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haha...I bet I could give you a run for your money at the very least...
 
The engine that some goons are making for unreal 3 will pwn doom and hl2. Will be ready in 2006 :)



http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml

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Now THATS an engine, argue about what dam video cards will run that at 60 fps :cool: :p

Those are online test renderings on top of the line hardware, they havent built the game yet so all they can test is preformance on prescripted stuff.
 
hannibal_lector said:
The engine that some goons are making for unreal 3 will pwn doom and hl2. Will be ready in 2006 :)



http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml

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[IMG]http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/SoftShadows.jpg[/I MG]

Now THATS an engine, argue about what dam video cards will run that at 60 fps :cool: :p

Those are online test renderings on top of the line hardware, they havent built the game yet so all they can test is preformance on prescripted stuff.[/QUOTE]http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_13103.html

The E3 demo was run on a 6800. Doesn't matter really... U3 is 2 whole generations away from coming out.
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