DarkSideA8
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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...ark-differences-access-affordability-rcna1220
The Red portions need broadband
The Red portions need broadband
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Some people cannot interact with the world without playing the victim card - as if the world is a giant conspiracy against them, personally.but the "whiter" neighborhood
I just figure they refuse to pay the absurd price, like myself, for base broadband access. You could get dialup for $8/mo (or free) before, but that's not good enough. Now you "need" at least DSL, which is $40/mo minimum, and there are no alternatives. A phone line is ~$20/mo, add dialup (if you can find a provider) and you're almost at $40 already...Some people cannot interact with the world without playing the victim card - as if the world is a giant conspiracy against them, personally.
I tend to breeze past this nonsense (perhaps with an eye roll or an exasperated chuff) - but other than that I don't let it bother me.
But I think the info is good: there is a ton of space in America that is under-served with broadband - for whatever reason one might cherry pick
FWIW - I tried to get the local cable company to talk to me about stringing a line from the highway to my father in law's farm house (about a mile and a half if you follow the road, maybe just under a mile if you go straight line) and you either can't get someone to talk to you or they quote you an absurd price
(OTOH - the badtards are quick as can be to string up any farm converted into shitty 80s style McMansions on 1/2 acre plots.)
Starlink will be successful because broadband in the US is still fucked. Lots of people who live too far away from cities and towns who don't have a choice or don't have good choices. Lots of people who only have one choice, usually cable or worse DSL.I agree, Starlink will be successful, and it will help more areas get access to affordable, fast internet, than before. But people who have access and aren't using it won't be a large percentage of their customers. There will still be a LARGE amount of red on the map, even if/when starlink's price comes down.
The people with cable or DSL are in relatively good shape. There are places where satellite or line of sight direct (wifi) internet access are the only options, if there are any options at all.Starlink will be successful because broadband in the US is still fucked. Lots of people who live too far away from cities and towns who don't have a choice or don't have good choices. Lots of people who only have one choice, usually cable or worse DSL.
Starlink is not ideal as I'm certain it'll always have higher latency than cable or fiber.
Curious how many people live in those red areas, just noticing northern Nevada, north east California, south east Oregon south Idaho there's a whole lot of nothing going on there which makes zero sense for anyone to pay for infrastructure to bring in broadband, in fact Starlink is quite a good solution for places as sparsely populated at that and perhaps the government can stop throwing money at big corporations that don't do much of anything and takes WAY too much money per person.https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...ark-differences-access-affordability-rcna1220
The Red portions need broadband
Starlink will be successful because broadband in the US is still fucked. Lots of people who live too far away from cities and towns who don't have a choice or don't have good choices. Lots of people who only have one choice, usually cable or worse DSL.
Starlink is not ideal as I'm certain it'll always have higher latency than cable or fiber.
There is a lot of ground to cover for traditional companies that run lines to offer fiber, for instance.Starlink will be successful because broadband in the US is still fucked. Lots of people who live too far away from cities and towns who don't have a choice or don't have good choices. Lots of people who only have one choice, usually cable or worse DSL.
Starlink is not ideal as I'm certain it'll always have higher latency than cable or fiber.
So everyone else is on their own I guess, but please keep paying your half of taxes so I can enjoy the infrastructure.Another interesting map to get some context on how dense a few areas in the US are, and how undense the rest is
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hmm? I didn't understand. is this an insult to me?So everyone else is on their own I guess, but please keep paying your half of taxes so I can enjoy the infrastructure.
Americans.
not an insult... but if you dont understand... Its too late for me to clarify. Suggest you read it again, slowly.hmm? I didn't understand. is this an insult to me?
The tax paying people that live in unserved areas. The expectation that they pay for infrastructure they cannot use. Its the same concept as systemic racism, except you are expected to pay for the privilege.Wasn't it reported that the wealthy don't pay taxes? So exactly which half we talking about here?
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My taxes paid local ISPs to connect all the houses to the internet?So everyone else is on their own I guess, but please keep paying your half of taxes so I can enjoy the infrastructure.
Americans.
Does your local ISP own the backbone line in your area?My taxes paid local ISPs to connect all the houses to the internet?
they don’t have an eta on when they’ll ship my dish though....
I hope you have a lightning arrestor for your Ethernet run -- or outer metal armour (pipe) for it. I heard of someone who got equipment fried due to an unshielded outdoor Ethernet run. Out in the country.I ran a 100+ yard run of Cat6a from there to my house.
Or something like this, if not too expensive: https://www.fibersystem.com/product/ethernet-isolator-50-818/I hope you have a lightning arrestor for your Ethernet run -- I heard of someone who got equipment fried. Out in the country.
An alternative is to run optical fiber instead; you can get a 100 foot run including fiber media converters for under $100 total from places like FS com, Monoprice and others (about $30 for 2 fiber-to-Ethernet media converters, and just pennies per foot for the fiber, maybe a few dollars more for outdoor-rated OM3 type cable with SC connectors). Long fiber runs are now cheaper than long Ethernet runs, thankfully.
I hope you have a lightning arrestor for your Ethernet run -- or outer metal armour (pipe) for it. I heard of someone who got equipment fried due to an unshielded outdoor Ethernet run. Out in the country.
An alternative is to run optical fiber instead; you can get a 100 foot run including fiber media converters for under $100 total from places like FS com, Monoprice and others (about $30 for 2 fiber-to-Ethernet media converters, and just pennies per foot for the fiber, maybe a few dollars more for outdoor-rated OM3 type cable with SC connectors). Long fiber runs are now cheaper than long true Cat6+ Ethernet runs, thankfully.
My taxes paid local ISPs to connect all the houses to the internet?
So as more time went on and the telecom companies started subsuming each other and merging, you eventually ended up with the situation today where 4-5 mega corporations own 99% of the US and nobody else can come in because of exclusivity agreements.
In Canada our Gov't sets prices, so everyone can pay the same high prices.incumbents can drop their prices in a small area or roll out good networking in a small area pretty quickly. And subsidize that from high profits in other areas.
It's not hard to be better or offer significantly lower prices. The hard part is being sued out of existence by the incumbent thug ISP when they even get a whiff of competition coming into town, as well as being heavily slandered to make the newcomer look like garbage. There is an extremely high pent up demand for a second option here. It's so bad that the local government has gotten involved, but their hands are tied with legal bullshit from Spectrum.The FCC (or congress, I dunno) voided the geographical exclusivity agreements. But it's quite expensive to overbuild somewhere that's already got one or two networks because you won't get a lot of customers unless your prices are great or your service is significantly better, and incumbents can drop their prices in a small area or roll out good networking in a small area pretty quickly. And subsidize that from high profits in other areas.
This is [H], figure out how to water cool it, or go home.Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit
Just going to put this here, hopefully they figure out a solution
Maintaining the existing network: $10b/yrSo today we have national monopolies that own everything and still get subsidies from the state and federal government to "maintain" the network. And they constantly complain about the cost to maintain said network is so burdensome that they'll be forced to cut off access to rural populations unless they keep getting their extortion money. Doesn't matter that the CEOs, CFOs, board members and shareholders are making record profits, can't change their lifestyle.
That’s ridiculous. That’s not going to work anywhere that gets even remotely hot. That’s an easy temperature to reach for any object in the direct sunlight. That sounds like a massive oversight.Starlink dishes go into “thermal shutdown” once they hit 122° Fahrenheit
Just going to put this here, hopefully they figure out a solution
The best solution is to move the electronics out of the dish to someplace cooler. I doubt the issue is the dish itself getting too hot. Some bonehead engineer put the electronics in the dish which is going to sit in the hot sun regardless of what anyone does. Plus, you're paying $500 for that equipment. Just bad craftsmanship.That’s ridiculous. That’s not going to work anywhere that gets even remotely hot. That’s an easy temperature to reach for any object in the direct sunlight. That sounds like a massive oversight.
Do you know which components are overheating and if it would be reasonable to move them off the the dish PCB? I'm wondering if with the phase array circuitry this would be difficult or have lots of other compromises.The best solution is to move the electronics out of the dish to someplace cooler. I doubt the issue is the dish itself getting too hot. Some bonehead engineer put the electronics in the dish which is going to sit in the hot sun regardless of what anyone does. Plus, you're paying $500 for that equipment. Just bad craftsmanship.
Maintaining the existing network: $10b/yr
Upgrading the existing network: $5b/yr
Expanding the network to add rural areas: $800b
Maintaining the expanded network: $50b/yr
Your budget: $20b/yr (Includes government subsidy of $100M/yr)
What would YOU do? Telecom companies have been gradually expanding as fast as they can. Everyone wants to have the biggest network. And as a stockholder in at least one of them, I can honestly say I WISH they were making record profits. Right now they all seem to be unloading any assets they can just to be able to afford to modernize the existing infrastructure. Last I heard the telecom I'm most heavily invested in spent on average nine billion dollars a year over the last 10 years trying to expand their network. They're trying. It's not like they're just taking the money and running or giving it all to the C-levels.