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Eocene

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So basically I will be trying a water cooler withint two months.

So far I am thinking of using this components:

Pump: http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=28

Eheim 1048 (158GPH) Pump
My question.. is how much power is really needed?

My CPU is Class C p4 2.4

My Mobo is a abit IC7

My Video Card is a PNY Quadro 750

Now... I DONT need a:

Reservoir
Radiator

I am wondering if you guys can provide me with links to :
the chipblocks I need

and the Tubbing plus adaptors connections .. etc
how thick can I go?
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Now.... I want to keep it all around 100$



I might need a new case, I dunno yet.. also if you guys can reccomend something under 50

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That Eheim pump is a bit on the weaker side, however if you wish to go with that pump you would be best of using a block like the Swiftech MCW-6000/6002, they perform pretty well under situations with lower flow. (www.swiftnets.com)

You dont really need a VGA block on the 9800, the ATi chips of that generation were not all that hot, but a good block for you would be the Silverprop Fusion HL, it has a very low resistance so it would not further inhibit the flow with that weaker pump. However I am not sure about mounting on the Quadro, in fact I am not sure about any blocks mounting on the Quadro, they are usually made for the gaming and not the workstation graphics cards.

For the tubing, since you are on a budget you could get some vinyl tubing from Home Depot for real cheap.

Those two blocks will run you about 110$ Which means that adding a pump will push it up even higher. Personally, I would stick to just cooling the CPU, that makes it easy to keep the price around 100 quid.
 
Yeah I am not really wanting to cool the agp...

So what waterblock for the cpu do you guys suggest?

What about the tubbing size.. type.. (i dont want it to break either)

The pump needs to be strong enough to ... well my "Reservoir" will be placed above my computer.. I am not sure if a couple of feet above it or just right on top.

If I plan to place it a couple of feet away.. how much tubbing should I need.. (2-5) feet above possibly)

btw: I have a case similar to this one:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-020&depa=1

Really considering this one: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-180-024&depa=1
 
All i need it is to go to the cpu and then drop off into another container on top of my comp
 
Just checking:
You don't need a res/rad, because you already HAVE one, right? Not because you don't think you need them? I res is optional, but a radiator is kinda important.
 
If all the radiotor does is clean the water so it doesnt go bad... then yes I alrady havea system to do this.... btw: around how much power is needed in the pump 270 gal/h good enough for a system that does what.?
 
Eocene said:
If all the radiotor does is clean the water so it doesnt go bad... then yes I alrady havea system to do this.... btw: around how much power is needed in the pump 270 gal/h good enough for a system that does what.?
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The radiator is the heat dissipation unit in the entire system. You cannot go without it unless you do something radical.
 
How much heat is generated with a water cooler, I am thinking of using a big container of water.. to try to make the water cooler.... 10 gallons ..would that work..

and how much power do i need again.. the pump to be?

Also.. what waterblock do you recommend for p4 class C?
 
Eocene said:
How much heat is generated with a water cooler, I am thinking of using a big container of water.. to try to make the water cooler.... 10 gallons ..would that work..

and how much power do i need again.. the pump to be?

Also.. what waterblock do you recommend for p4 class C?
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10 gallons of water is going to be a huge tank. A single 120mm radiator/heatercore would be enough if you're only cooling that CPU and not overclocking. One of those heatercores only measures about 6"x6"x2", and it would perform as good if not better.

The Eheim pumps don't plug into the powersupply, if that's what you're asking, they plug into a wall outlet. A MCP350 pump consumes about 8watts. I think the MCP650 consumes around 14.

For the waterblock, I am buying a Swiftech MCW6000 to use with my 2.4C. I would recommend either that (or MCW6002) or a DangerDen TDX.
 
Actually I'm worried about the power as in strength of the pump...

so.. a ten gallon tank (huge I know) .. wouild not compensate for the radiator?


CPU waterblock should work with the IC7 abit right? Its the 478 type right?
 
A 10 gallon tank would be sufficient to passively cool a system. However you would need a lot of additives for 10 gallons of water :) which would make it more expensive.

I would advise you look into getting a heatercore from an autoparts store to act as your radiator. The radiator is what dissipates the heat from the system. Running watercooling without a radiator is like running a heatsink without a fan. The system will quickly overheat. I am not sure what the model you want for a single 120mm heatercore, but I know the 77 bonneville heatercore is one of the best you can buy. That is the size of 2 120mm fans and provides great cooling, and will only run you 25-30$.

As for the pump, since you are just cooling the cpu than the Eheim 1048 would be sufficient. However if your resevoir is going to be further away the added tubing would add some restriction. I more powerful Eheim like the 1250, or a 12v DC pump like the Laing D4 or AQX-50Z would perform much better than the 1048.

As for the waterblock, if you use the 1048 get the Swiftech 6000/6002. That waterblock will give you the best performance with that weaker pump. If you decide to get a stronger pump than you can get either the swifty block, or a DD TDX would outperform the swifty by a bit with higher flow.


Aside from this I suggest you read a couple of watercooling guides because you seem to be a bit confused on the basics of what the parts are needed for. And watercooling isn't something you should be doing if you are confused about exactly how it works, bad things will happen then :) Good luck!
 
What exactly do you mean "addatives"... will be needed if I use a 10 gallon tank?


I'm thinking of getting this:
http://www.directron.com/tdx478.html

Would I see much difference if I get the other block?

I also will be using a pump that pushes water between 150-200 gph.. is that good enough?

So you guys understand, I'm doing something similar to this:

http://www.dammitall.com/
 
My thoughts:
1) That thought on reading a guide was definetly a good idea- you seem to be a bit confused about watercooling.
2) A radiator does NOTHING to clean the water whatsoever, it is a heat exchanger (exchanges heat in the water to the air)
3) A ten gallon tank will be enough to forego a radiator, but that would be considered a reservoir, just so you know.
4) Any of the pumps suggested will be enough if your huge tank is close to the pump, however, if you have a lot of tubing, or are trying to pump water vertically (like against gravity), and through that TDX (a GREAT block by the way, I'm using one now), you'll need more feet of head than the smaller pumps. The MCP650 and the Eheim 1250 are good choices, but I think the smaller ones won't be enough.
5) Additives are things you put in the water to inhibit biological growth (Algae). Popular ones include Water Wetter, Betadine, and Bleach, but bleach is a bit corrosive and can damage rubber, so be careful.

And Dear GOD please use hose clamps.
 
thanks a lot .. that clears it up.

I will be cleaning the water using a filter...

Yes 10 gallons seems like a lot but this is what I want to use.

I think I'm going for the 6002 swiftech.. just because of the price and because a weaker pump will work best.. (it comes down to 50 after tax and shipping heh =-/)

So basically I want to pump vertically.. meaning I need a pump that does 300 gph , thanks now I know.
 
Oh man...

Okay. It is preferable to NOT pump water very high vertically if you can help it. It is harder on the pump, and it will not push the water through as fast. 300GPH means NOTHING . Forget that number.

If you are pumping water vertically, more than 2 feet or so, get something like the MCP350 pump. It has 13 feet of head. Head is how high it can push a column of water. If the 10 gallon tank is going to be somewhere like in a basement, and the computer is not, you're going to need more pump power than that. You could run two or three MCP350s in series and maybe get twenty-something feet of head.

"Filtering" the water is not a big concern. Don't use tap water (use distilled water), and don't use aluminum and copper in the same loop, and you should be okay without a water filter.

By the way, what is your tank going to be made of?
 
I'm planning on using a fish tank.... so nothing special.

Ok I decided on probably placing the tank right on top of my computer or maybe the computer on top of the tank.. I'm not sure yet.
 
If you're adding a filter, you're adding more backpressure to a pump. That GPH is going to go down down down, and also you'll have to include the fact that GPH doesn't matter. That measurement is how much it can pump through no tubing at all, on a perfectly flat surface. Add restrictions, and you lose the amount. Think of GPH as the amount of water and head as the force. If you run through a filter, and a TDX, and tubing to the top of the computer, you're running out of power for that swiftech quickly.
 
Dont use a filter, as has already been said it will greatly reduce the flow in the system. It is easier just to use an additivie to reduce the growth of both micro organisms and prevent against corrosion.

As for the pump, the rated GPH isn't as important as head pressure (in general). Your system isn't very restrictive however, since you are only using one cpu block. Try to avoid sharp 90 degree bends in your system and it will help keep the flow faster.

Also, dont worry too much about pumping the water a few feet vertically. A watercooling loop is a closed system, and pumping the water vertically is not an issue. A closed loop can basically ignore gravity (the effect of gravity pulling down on the up side is cancelled out by the help on the way back down). The ability of a pump to have 13 feet of head pressure is its ability to pump water vertically 13 feet in an open loop, ie having a long 13 foot hose coming out of the pump vertically, the pump will be able to pump water up out of the top of the hose.

What is the make and model on the stronger pump you were planning on using?
 
I haven't decided on that yet...l from the looks of it, I think I might need to shop around for a strong pump that has good "head" strength.... I'm really not pumping water that far up... but I will try to watch out for 90 degree angles.
 
I would recommend a Danner Mag 3 (aka Pondmaster). They have a head of 10.5ft (Eheim 1048 has a max head of 4.11ft and Eheim 1250 a max head of 6.5ft), considerably higher then either Eheim product.

They can be had for $39.99 at most hobby shops/aquariam shops (www.reefgeek.com) and are quiet. I have one in my system and can tell you nothing but good things about them, a great pump, at a great price.

As for you're 10gallon idea, its ... interesting, but IMHO ill advised. The cost of buying a single 120mm heatercore ($17-$20) is about the same, if not cheaper then the cost of the additives you'd need to purchase to keep microbial growth down. At any rate, I suggest you do a lot more reading before you lay down any money, you seem confused on some key concepts, just make sure you know the basic ins and outs of watercooling before you jump into it.
 
i disagree that addatives would cost more then the heatercore. A 77 bonnevile core cost $18 a gallon of antifreeze cost about $7 that is enough to treat 10 gallons of water. with antifreeze i woudn't bother with distilled water just clean tap water

i have done this sort of thing before. I had a 5 gallon bucket with an eheim s600 (the submergable equivlent of the 1048) a Maze 4 all 1/2 inch line and it work very well. It will after awile of use get the water very warm but in my case with a 1700+ OCed to 1600mhz i got load temps of about 110deg
 
jeclone said:
i disagree that addatives would cost more then the heatercore. A 77 bonnevile core cost $18 a gallon of antifreeze cost about $7 that is enough to treat 10 gallons of water. with antifreeze i woudn't bother with distilled water just clean tap water
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That cost adds up if you ever have to change water for whatever reason. Another thing to keep in mind, its not really a good idea to have a 10 gallon tank of antifreeze lying around if you have pets or even small children. That stuff is pretty toxic.

I am going to have to go with the heatercore camp on this one. It just makes more sense + less ghetto.
 
Erasmus354 said:
A watercooling loop is a closed system, and pumping the water vertically is not an issue
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He's using a reservoir! It's not closed loop, and he's inexperienced, so read mroe carefully before you give him advice.
 
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