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Timothy Wright
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First thanks to one and all in advance for any and all assistance. Second half 2014 when the Haswell-E/Wellsburg X99 CPUs and motherboards are expected I intend to build another PC to replace the two (2009 era) i7 PCs under my desk.
For the last several decades I've built my PCs every 3-4 years but for the last 5 years Moore's law seemed to be placed on hold by Intel so I've held off until I could reasonably expect almost a ten fold increase in speed and I am hoping a 8 core 16 thread Haswell-E in a x99 chipset can give me that kind of speed improvement in Handbrake - my preferred video encoding application.
I do game a little, I also do normal office stuff, but the primary objective is to minimize my video encoding times. Currently I'll often run both my i7 QX9850 and my i7-860 all night long encoding a long queue of movies. Looking forward I'd like to have the horse power to encode a Blu-ray disk to mp4 format (in highest quality settings) in, much less time than the 2 plus hours now required for that task.
I live in Pittsburgh PA but I do many thousands of dollars with both Newegg and Amazon each year. They like me and treat me very well. The last time I purchased PC parts from a retail brick and mortar my 7 year or dog was a puppy and eating a dozen UBS cables each week under my desk. My parish priest, asked me if I wanted Christopher blessed? Pissed at replacing a dozen USB cables that week I answered: "Well Father I was going to hold out for an exorcism, but I think he has out grown it." Undaunted Fr. Nick's blessing worked and Christopher has not eaten a USB cable since.
I suspect I should be able to do this, reusing a lot of parts for $3k-3.5k.
I must have CPU, motherboard, DDR4 memory and 1TB boot SSD.
I'd like a new power supply, super tower case, and a closed loop CPU cooling solution as well.
I'll reuse (8) 4TB hard drives, two Blu-ray R/W drives, twin 30" 2560x1600 Dell displays, one GeForce GTX 680, HP laser Jet, UBS scanner, keyboard, mouse.
I am a moderate over clocker, when it can be done with out much grief or drama.
I'll use all 10 SATA 3.0 connectors on any Wellsburg MB with existing 4TB hard drives. I keep a backup of the media 16TB NAS on my local hard drives.
I understand that the core components I need are currently unavailable, I can't find any reliable detailed information. But I am trying to use this time to research and plan (stalk) my next build. (and save my dimes)
The only unusual MB frill I anticipate is a Thunderbolt connection. My current NAS lacks Thunderbolt but I know my next NAS will have it.
I do upgrade video cards maybe every other year, never tried SLI but I'd like to size the case and PS to allow for 2-way SLI. By my standards and needs my old GeForce GTX 680 is not so far off the performance curve to require either replacement or SLI, for this summer anyway.
I do like a nice super tower case with USB 3.0 built it. In the past I have purchased Lian-Li cases but now days the better Lian Li cases cost > $500 and I just don't see the value, or can't find them on sale. I'm giving very serious consideration to two cases: Coolmaster Cosmos II and the Nanoxia NXDS6W (deep silence 6 in white). I don't think the Cosmos II will slide under my desk, but I could tip it, slide it, then stand it up, I can make anything under 28" tall work. (use a floor jack to raise my desk?) (smile) I don't know anything about Nanoxia as a company? Will they still be in business in 5 years? Anyone with hands on experience with either I'd like to speak to. I hate chinzy low quality cases.
Currently I run a huge heavy Noctua air cooling unit on my CPUs. I think I would like to return to water cooling; something like a low maintenance closed loop system like the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme system. I don't see water cooling either the memory, or graphics cards. for those ample air movement should suffice. I have plenty of case fans laying about.,
The boot drive will be a 1TB Samsung 840 Evo. From what little I read the PCI-E SSD drives while faster can be a PITA to get right? The ASUS ROG RAIDR looked interesting if not for it's 250 GB capacity. Current my boot drives are 500GB Samsung so I hope by doubling the capacity I'll be OK for several years. I could see booting from (2) 500 GB in RAID but I doubt any small performance gain would be worth painful OS install, the loss in dependability and loss of a valuable SATA port.
I don't know what to say about memory, I've been running 8 GB with out problems for a long time. On one hand I can see doubling it or even going more if just for elbow room but I read that initially DDR4 memory may be very dear so I will just allocate ~ $400 for the line item and pray that be ample.
The last problem on my list, the power supply. In 2009 I had good luck with Thermaltake and recently I looked hard at the thermal DPS from thermaltake that fully support all the Wellsburg tweaks, but from user reviews like this:
The software would not work unless I disabled then enabled the USB devise in device manager. I would have to do this ever time I restarted If I wanted the software up and running
Uses Java Based software which is a virus magnet so I read on the net just the other day after I had ordered, lol.. After a couple days It finally just Died and would not start my PC ..Had to RMA..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/SingleProductReview.aspx?reviewid=4010904
It just smells like tangential wize-bang features that add no real value or utility but greatly interfere with reliability and impeccable performance.
My instincts are to just reuse a rock solid 850w I already have and then wait until someone makes a rock solid digital PS that I can bank on.
Back of the envelope budget?
CPU ~ $1,000
MB ~ $450
DDR4 ~ $450
Cooling ~ $125
1TB SSD ~ $500
Case ~ $330
PS ~ $300
Total ~ $3130
All of these thoughts originate from my very own middle aged half-heimers' brain. At no time did I get any divine guidance etched in stone from the Burning Bush. Hence I am both soliciting and encouraging all wisdom, guidance and encouragement on any and all points from all forum denizens.
I go back with ASUS a long ways, they would be my first choice for MB everything else being equal. As info comes out on Wellsburg MB and the Haswell-E CPUs and DDR4 we can discuss those items. At this stage I am just doing my preliminary planning on everything else.
I have a few unused 64 bit Windows OS laying around, if I don't keep Vista 64, I may go to Win 7 (64) or Win 8.x (64) using Classic Shell to change the interface. I hate the new OS GUI's. OS is not an issue.
Thank you again,
Timothy
For the last several decades I've built my PCs every 3-4 years but for the last 5 years Moore's law seemed to be placed on hold by Intel so I've held off until I could reasonably expect almost a ten fold increase in speed and I am hoping a 8 core 16 thread Haswell-E in a x99 chipset can give me that kind of speed improvement in Handbrake - my preferred video encoding application.
I do game a little, I also do normal office stuff, but the primary objective is to minimize my video encoding times. Currently I'll often run both my i7 QX9850 and my i7-860 all night long encoding a long queue of movies. Looking forward I'd like to have the horse power to encode a Blu-ray disk to mp4 format (in highest quality settings) in, much less time than the 2 plus hours now required for that task.
I live in Pittsburgh PA but I do many thousands of dollars with both Newegg and Amazon each year. They like me and treat me very well. The last time I purchased PC parts from a retail brick and mortar my 7 year or dog was a puppy and eating a dozen UBS cables each week under my desk. My parish priest, asked me if I wanted Christopher blessed? Pissed at replacing a dozen USB cables that week I answered: "Well Father I was going to hold out for an exorcism, but I think he has out grown it." Undaunted Fr. Nick's blessing worked and Christopher has not eaten a USB cable since.
I suspect I should be able to do this, reusing a lot of parts for $3k-3.5k.
I must have CPU, motherboard, DDR4 memory and 1TB boot SSD.
I'd like a new power supply, super tower case, and a closed loop CPU cooling solution as well.
I'll reuse (8) 4TB hard drives, two Blu-ray R/W drives, twin 30" 2560x1600 Dell displays, one GeForce GTX 680, HP laser Jet, UBS scanner, keyboard, mouse.
I am a moderate over clocker, when it can be done with out much grief or drama.
I'll use all 10 SATA 3.0 connectors on any Wellsburg MB with existing 4TB hard drives. I keep a backup of the media 16TB NAS on my local hard drives.
I understand that the core components I need are currently unavailable, I can't find any reliable detailed information. But I am trying to use this time to research and plan (stalk) my next build. (and save my dimes)
The only unusual MB frill I anticipate is a Thunderbolt connection. My current NAS lacks Thunderbolt but I know my next NAS will have it.
I do upgrade video cards maybe every other year, never tried SLI but I'd like to size the case and PS to allow for 2-way SLI. By my standards and needs my old GeForce GTX 680 is not so far off the performance curve to require either replacement or SLI, for this summer anyway.
I do like a nice super tower case with USB 3.0 built it. In the past I have purchased Lian-Li cases but now days the better Lian Li cases cost > $500 and I just don't see the value, or can't find them on sale. I'm giving very serious consideration to two cases: Coolmaster Cosmos II and the Nanoxia NXDS6W (deep silence 6 in white). I don't think the Cosmos II will slide under my desk, but I could tip it, slide it, then stand it up, I can make anything under 28" tall work. (use a floor jack to raise my desk?) (smile) I don't know anything about Nanoxia as a company? Will they still be in business in 5 years? Anyone with hands on experience with either I'd like to speak to. I hate chinzy low quality cases.
Currently I run a huge heavy Noctua air cooling unit on my CPUs. I think I would like to return to water cooling; something like a low maintenance closed loop system like the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme system. I don't see water cooling either the memory, or graphics cards. for those ample air movement should suffice. I have plenty of case fans laying about.,
The boot drive will be a 1TB Samsung 840 Evo. From what little I read the PCI-E SSD drives while faster can be a PITA to get right? The ASUS ROG RAIDR looked interesting if not for it's 250 GB capacity. Current my boot drives are 500GB Samsung so I hope by doubling the capacity I'll be OK for several years. I could see booting from (2) 500 GB in RAID but I doubt any small performance gain would be worth painful OS install, the loss in dependability and loss of a valuable SATA port.
I don't know what to say about memory, I've been running 8 GB with out problems for a long time. On one hand I can see doubling it or even going more if just for elbow room but I read that initially DDR4 memory may be very dear so I will just allocate ~ $400 for the line item and pray that be ample.
The last problem on my list, the power supply. In 2009 I had good luck with Thermaltake and recently I looked hard at the thermal DPS from thermaltake that fully support all the Wellsburg tweaks, but from user reviews like this:
The software would not work unless I disabled then enabled the USB devise in device manager. I would have to do this ever time I restarted If I wanted the software up and running
Uses Java Based software which is a virus magnet so I read on the net just the other day after I had ordered, lol.. After a couple days It finally just Died and would not start my PC ..Had to RMA..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/SingleProductReview.aspx?reviewid=4010904
It just smells like tangential wize-bang features that add no real value or utility but greatly interfere with reliability and impeccable performance.
My instincts are to just reuse a rock solid 850w I already have and then wait until someone makes a rock solid digital PS that I can bank on.
Back of the envelope budget?
CPU ~ $1,000
MB ~ $450
DDR4 ~ $450
Cooling ~ $125
1TB SSD ~ $500
Case ~ $330
PS ~ $300
Total ~ $3130
All of these thoughts originate from my very own middle aged half-heimers' brain. At no time did I get any divine guidance etched in stone from the Burning Bush. Hence I am both soliciting and encouraging all wisdom, guidance and encouragement on any and all points from all forum denizens.
I go back with ASUS a long ways, they would be my first choice for MB everything else being equal. As info comes out on Wellsburg MB and the Haswell-E CPUs and DDR4 we can discuss those items. At this stage I am just doing my preliminary planning on everything else.
I have a few unused 64 bit Windows OS laying around, if I don't keep Vista 64, I may go to Win 7 (64) or Win 8.x (64) using Classic Shell to change the interface. I hate the new OS GUI's. OS is not an issue.
Thank you again,
Timothy