And THIS is what it all boils down to people. The selfish desires of a few to let the good of the many fall flat. How fucking shitty of a human being do you have to be to say you'd rather let millions of people die, get sick, or otherwise be miserable so that you dont have to wait an extra 45 minutes at the doctors office? Or a day, or 3 days, or a week, whatever it is. Yes, there might be some inconvenience to you to burden our system with new load. It's called not being an asshole though.
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And THIS is what it all boils down to people. The selfish desires of a few to let the good of the many fall flat. How fucking shitty of a human being do you have to be to say you'd rather let millions of people die, get sick, or otherwise be miserable so that you dont have to wait an extra 45 minutes at the doctors office? Or a day, or 3 days, or a week, whatever it is. Yes, there might be some inconvenience to you to burden our system with new load. It's called not being an asshole though.
I hear Somalia is nice this time of year. No pesky goverment forcing you to pay for roads, law enforcement, military etc. Or do you think the fire department should only visit those homes who are enrolled in the "protection program", a voluntary membership consisting of $500/month?
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I'm glad you came back to this thread. It was boring without you <3
Right, because I'm sure the transcontinental railroad, interstate highway, and NASA would have all been publicly funded by free enterprise rational self-interests.
All healthcare is rationed. Supply is limited and demand is basically infinite. The only difference is that right now we ration it by price instead of by wait times.
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Shitty assholes that already have to suffer through a terrible system, which is just getting worse?
IMO, if you don't donate all of your expendable income to starving people, you're basically Hitler. Video games? A new iPhone? Hitler. I mean, if you're not willing to give up your spot in line, you may as well be killing those millions* of people by hand.
*not actually millions.
People live within their means. You cant honestly be suggesting that any reasonable amount of donations would exist from people who were allowed to keep whatever tax dollars are being used to pay for these things. I mean seriously? Are you seriously trying to suggest this might work?
Nothing will ever solve all of the world's problems. I choose to actively give to charities, you choose to try and force me to give more.
No, we try to force everyone to give a little, since the whole thing is trite and pointless if contributions arent met on a massive scale.
If you have a computer and internet access instead of spending that money on dying kittens, I guess you're just a shitty asshole. Oh look! Shitty assholes EVERWHAR!
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The majority of hospitals and medical technology were funded by those dirty capitalists ideals.
Can you ask a question without drenching it in contempt for disagreement?
What city do you live in? Something tells me there are untold billions of dollars in things paid for that you never contributed to, yet use on a daily basis. It's called living in the civilized world. If you want to eat all you take, and take all you eat, go build a cabin in the woods and live unibomber style. Live off the land, it's great. Be your own man, entirely responsible for yourself, because goddamnit how dare you have to contribute towards anything that does not directly benefit you each and every day.
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Give us $1000 or get the fuck out, right?
Thats not what the mandate was for at all. The mandate was instituted via a series of under-the-table handshakes by business lobbyists for a bunch of whiny bitches that just didnt feel like having to pay right now. In an effort not to derail the entire thing we appeased them and gave them their free year. There is very little concern that prices are suddenly going to skyrocket next year when it's instituted. It would make no difference if they did it now or then. The law was already signed. The same dittoheads are going to be complaining if it goes up 12 months from now, and will be all the more likely subject to change if it turns out to be true. If anything the dems would be better off letting rates explode now, so that people can become conditioned to it and enough pre-planning and excuses engineered to write the whole thing off next year. But they didnt, because it's a bullshit argument.
Sorry what i meant to say was a joke argument to use for people who cant afford private healtchare. It is not a substitute, it is a system for the super poor. Which is great, but does not cover anywhere near the amount of people we need it to.
Yes, indeed! You tell that peasant to shut up and pay his share to the king! Why, if he were to hold back but a single grain, the hordes would overrun the kingdom and we would all meet our doom! Then the king might have to pay as much as 15% of his cadillac health insurance premiums!
Oh yeah...that was just what you guys were complaining about as being an "assault on workers" here in Wisconsin a couple of years ago. Funny how that was too much, but telling everyone else to fork out an extra grand or two on top of insurance they were already paying for is just dandy. And they better damn well shut up about having to wait an extra week for potentially life-saving procedures or services, ON TOP of being even poorer.
Keep pushing the partisan shillery. If the White House doesn't have some serious answers by Friday, Democrats are going to vote for the GOP bill to restore people's plans...which won't help things much since it will still bankrupt the insurance industry thanks to the lack of new income...but it might just shock people out of the dulcet, mellifluous spell of progressivism.
Ah, ok, well it's glad to know man could have walked on the moon if someone had thought up space-x in the 60's, for what amounts to over a trillion dollars by today's standards. Yes thats right, you take Microsoft, Apple, and Google, combine them all, and maybe, just MAYBE we might be able to rebuild the Saturn V again.
Can you answer any question at all without deflecting?
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That doesn't sound statist at all. you know why don't you grow a pair and come rob me directly instead of hiding behind pretty words and sophistry.
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military and basic infrastructure is specified by the constitution, so there is no argument about those programs. Also the constitution requires the impartial implementation of law and justice, so courts and police are part of that.
I am so tired of the Somalia argument. Somalia is not a place with no government, it is a place with too much government, The various warlords have absolute tyrannical control of their respective territories. The only reason they keep fighting amongst themselves is that the UN kept trying to impose a central government and the UN does it by elevating one group above the rest, destroying the power balance within Somalia.
Yet despite all the "chaos", Somalia has actually prospered compared to their surrounding states. their gdp/capt increased threefold over the last 20 years, life expectancy, literacy increased, death rate decreased.
Seriously google Kevin Carson on Somalia
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Ya so you lived in an alternate reality or something. Have you heard of this thing called the individual mandate? Look it up.
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I love the knee-jerk Somalia argument. Failed socialist state with constant UN/USA intervention which drove support for warlords, seen as the lesser evil.
It experienced rapid improvement during its stateless phase.
It experienced rapid improvement during its stateless phase.
The rest of the world, rich and poor countries alike, esp the poor ones, take care of their citizens and esp the poor and unfortunate ones as well as they can.
Yet we, the supposedly most 'advanced' nation in the world with the 'best health care' (a laughable claim if ever there was one) can't stop bickering and fighting over a simple and obvious thing like this. When ordinary citizens seem to think that a country shouldn't have mandatory health care for all, subsidized as much as possible for those who can't afford it, then there is no hope.
America truly is a land of the rich. Socialism became a 'bad' word in this country a long time ago and people were brainwashed into thinking helping those in need is 'un American'. The only American value left is greed and selfishness.
Yet we, the supposedly most 'advanced' nation in the world with the 'best health care' (a laughable claim if ever there was one) can't stop bickering and fighting over a simple and obvious thing like this. When ordinary citizens seem to think that a country shouldn't have mandatory health care for all, subsidized as much as possible for those who can't afford it, then there is no hope.
America truly is a land of the rich. Socialism became a 'bad' word in this country a long time ago and people were brainwashed into thinking helping those in need is 'un American'. The only American value left is greed and selfishness.
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I help those in need by donating money to charity and volunteering. If that is heartless than so be it. I grew up in a socialist country and it is a terrible system.
If you feel so strongly about helping people too, you can start by going to your local hospital on weekends and volunteering as a nurse or something.
No one ever said that helping people VOLUNTEERILY is un-American.
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So can we kill the ACA now?
Epic launch Democrats! Well played!
Epic launch Democrats! Well played!
And yet we're still the most charitable nation on the planet.
Nothing is ever good enough for socialists, and that's why we don't like socialism.
That isn't what is going on here. On the surface that is what they want you to believe this is about. However, it goes much deeper.
See here is the thing about this. It is easy to say it is much harder to prove. How often do you volunteer? How often do you go for a ride along with your local sheriff or EMT? How often do you you run a sports clinic for at-risk youth? How often do you teach GED and computer classes to at-risk youth and adults?
Ok so your time is too valuable to give so how much money do you donate to your local hospital? How much of your money do you give to local charities?
How involved in your local community are you on a weekly basis? See here is what is wrong with your argument. American's were never "brainwashed" into thinking that helping those in need was "un-American" or a "bad thing". That is a large part of what made our country and many other countries great, was how much volunteer work and how active communities were in helping each other. This spirit has decreased so much the last 3 decades and it isn't due to "brainwashing because republicans hate helping people" it is because people are too busy. Kids would rather stay inside and get their "game" on. Parents would rather stay inside and "decompress" and watch tv. The list of excuses goes on and on regarding reasons people no longer volunteer. Both George Bush sr and Bill Clinton ran massive campaigns to get people to volunteer because that is what help builds stronger communities, cities, states, and a strong nation. It helps reduce racism and sexism. It helps people get over a sense of "self" and into a greater sense of giving. But as stated, donations are down, volunteer-ism is down, and it continues to get worse in many of the communities that need help the most. One of the number one reasons I get when people take our survey is that they assume government funding will make up the shortfall and they don't need to give or volunteer time. How sad is it when people just assume the government will pick up the tab? That isn't nor should it be how it works.
John McCain, September 2013:
November 2013:
Amazing how "irrational" McCain has become in just two months. What an "extremist". What a "wacko bird".
Arizona, why do you keep voting for this pile of shit? He's one of the most despicable politicians in the country.
November 2013:
Amazing how "irrational" McCain has become in just two months. What an "extremist". What a "wacko bird".
Arizona, why do you keep voting for this pile of shit? He's one of the most despicable politicians in the country.
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There is nothing immoral about ownership of property.
There is nothing immoral about management of property.
There absolutely is something immoral about using guns to take property from others. Doing this and calling it charitable is laughable on its face.
Do you actually think politicians care about the poor? Their only concern is the next election cycle.
Investors have their own money on the line and factor in long term growth to price discovery.
I don't understand how anyone can be so delusional to think politicians can better manage production. lmfao
Nah, I'll just keep paying into a system who's resources you take advantage of and then complain about.
The only reason people here are anit-healthcare is because they know it's the last great bastion of democratic ideals that we have been promoting for a long time, and that if it is proven to be successful the republicans wont have a leg to stand on ever again. I mean seriously, with as much as they have done to derail this effort, who the hell would ever vote republican again if it works? It's just a last ditch effort to stay relevant in the world of tomorrow.
So can we kill the ACA now?
Epic launch Democrats! Well played!
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.
Some of us pay a lot more than others.
It can get a bit frustrating when it never seems to be enough. Statists always want MORE for their next pet-project.
Obamacare is just another redistribution project placed square on the back of the middle class.
When is enough, enough?
When everyone is poor. That is the ultimate goal of "social equality". That's why "rich" is demonized.
