Heads up Windows Update

Discussion in 'Operating Systems' started by laserdemon, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. laserdemon

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  2. ne1wantaride

    ne1wantaride [H]ard|Gawd

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    I installed it last week :). Illegal software piraters = teh fail to the microsoft. Not in direction to you.
     
  3. Gorankar

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    It was talked about a few weeks back, that MS was planning something like this for an upcoming update. Updates that break activation cracks/hacks/workarounds, intentionally or otherwise, happened with Xp as well. Business as usual, MS is just trying to make people pay for using their OS. Nothing wrong with that.

    The deadbeats do not have to worry though, this too will have a crack/hack/workaround b4 long.
     
  4. calebb

    calebb 1337 liek JeffK

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    I don't pirate Windows, but I marked this update as "ignore" for now. There is no way that a 3MB worth of shared library patching for the sole purpose of preventing people from pirating Vista is going to improve performance on my PC. In fact, it's much more likely that it will have the opposite effect.

    gg Microsoft for punishing Joe Computer User for the efforts of hackers bypassing product activation.
     
  5. laserdemon

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    yeah, i was one of the unlucky ones who got hit with the WGA bug a few months ago. no way in hell am i installing it. on top of that, this is kinda of a stupid way to "prevent" pirates.....they just dont install it, lol
     
  6. TechieSooner

    TechieSooner [H]ardness Supreme

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    Then they just won't stay updated...
    Doubt this is going into SP1, but when SP2 rolls around, either they stay out of date, or they've gotta use it.

    That, and with Vista systems being able to specify now not to connect to a machine that isn't fully up to date, lose again.


    This WGA stuff is just way overblown. Yes, of all the millions of copies of Vista there are, there will be some flagged as wrong. But dang, it takes 6 minutes to fix, and unless you are pirating it- Microsoft is happy to help (in which case, you really don't have room to complain about anything!).
     
  7. xxEIEIOxx

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    It's not in SP1. I have SP1 on 2 machines and was prompted to download this update. Which I did, no issues here.
     
  8. milkweg

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    How does it take 6 minutes to fix if your OS is flaged as pirated when it isn't? I call BS because I have read stories of people having to buy a new copy of the OS when WGA flagged their XP as pirated when it wasn't. What's this 6 minute fix?
     
  9. Gorankar

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    You call in and get activated. You be firm and polite and buck it up line if they give you a hassle. That fix failed for very, very few. And some of those stories were just that, stories.
     
  10. Version_3

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    You would think that if they can "patch" the issue, they would be able to detect the issue and then lock those specific boxes out.
     
  11. laserdemon

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    I can say for one, I do not trust or like microsofts ways of doing things. When I was hit by the WGA bug, my system was completly locked down by the bug, even though they say that never happened. I called them and they were complete asses about it, saying that they would nto do anything without my CC number and a $65 charge to it. I learned my lesson about OEM that day, lol. But anyway, I decided to breath for a few hours, sent an email to [H] which promptly added the issue to the front page. Got my name on the front, lol. Reloaded my box the next day, avoided activation for a few days until they fixed the issue.
     
  12. TechieSooner

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    ^^^ People like that are in the minority, and it is unfortunate that stuff like that happens....

    Why were they asking for $65? What was the reason for that? A new license?
     
  13. Mithent

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    The exploits will be disabled in SP1; this is a pre-SP1 patch which doesn't enable the blocking code yet, but is giving notice to people who might not know that they have pirated software (the 'unethical technician' issue, or maybe family/friends setting up their PC) so that they'll do something about it.

    Therefore this hotfix won't be in SP1 because the exploits it's notifying you about will just fail and Windows will revert to an unactivated state.
     
  14. laserdemon

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    He said it was because it was an OEM version and the company that built the machine had to support it, not microsoft directly. My argument was, I am the system builder and I know the issue is with WGA or the server, not my machine. I ended up having to talk to a supervisor and got the same responce. So thats when I contacted [H] to get some attention on it and so on...
     
  15. milkweg

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    Laserdemon's post proves it was not just "stories". Got anything else to add?
     
  16. TechieSooner

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    His story is a pretty unique one, which you have to admit, applies to a VERY VERY small portion of computers.
     
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    I've seen where a corrupt Cryptographic service not only broke the digital signatures on most of the drivers on an XP machine, it also breaks the validation. First to have a problem with drivers that takes some time to identify, but to add the insult of having WGA flag you as a criminal is just ridiculous. A format/reinstall fixed it, but there are many people that don't know how to do that. All the while the people running cracked versions will bypass any kind of update like this. As I have seen WGA break, I know it happens, and it is unacceptable. I was also hit by the issues with WGA servers last year, where anybody that attempted to use Windows Update or download something that requires validation flagged your install as invalid. This was fixed within a couple of hours, but still unacceptable. I, as are many others, unimpressed with the fact that legitimate users are being inconvenienced in an effort to collect from people that aren't going to pay anyway. As for a solution to the problem, I don't have one, but obviously, neither do they.
     
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    I haven't seen this one appear on my MSDN versions of Vista but I noticed it on my OEM installs. None of the computers are set to automatically download or install updates. I had a nice chuckle over that one.
     
  19. Gorankar

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    It does not change the fact that some were just stories. In some cases, from people running less than legit copies. Go anything less to add?
     
  20. laserdemon

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    Ok, boys, don't make me call your fathers....LOL, JK

    I agree, my experience is far from the norm, but there were alot of people on MS support forums complaining about the issue. I just got a really bad apple when i called.
     
  21. milkweg

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    Yea, I do. Where's your proof that any of them were just stories from people running pirated copies of Windows? You have about as much proof as the companies that claim piracy costs them xxxx amount of dollars every year. Which translates to no proof at all.
     
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    Are OEM versions of Vista more prone to WGA errors? Aren't they the same as retail copies except only sold with a system?

    The version I'm getting is OEM (for my new build)... Am I going to run into problems?
     
  23. milkweg

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    Yes, they are the same so don't worry about it.
     
  24. sth128

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    I worry every time I buy Microsoft products... Old habits die hard.
     
  25. HyperTension

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    LONG LIVE MILLENNIUM!!



    :::: Runs over to the toilet, squats, and has more satisfaction than the 1 week install of above ::::


    I'm waiting for SP1 for OEM than transition over. I'll keep ol' trusty XP on my secondary rig.