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hdtvs for pc

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thax

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would a hdtv make a good pc display? like a plasma tv do they gost and would it look beter then my pos crt? would you be ably to see the text on the screen or will it be like if you hook it up to a tv whit all the lines and stuff? would games look good on it? or is ther a beter alternative to it? i want a big screen taht looks as good as a smaler one would look

does this one look like a good one?
http://www.digitallyunique.com/hp4200bn.htm
 
I'm not going to get into details of the nitty gritty right now, but in short NO, no TV will EVER look as good for using on a computer as a monitor does.

If it did, TV's and monitors wouldn't even bother to distinguish themsevles from one another... it's the reason why a 20" montior can cost you $600 easily, and a 20" TV is had for in some cases under $100. TV's are interlaced (with the notable exception of progressive scan), they don't offer high resolutions, or the same about of pixels as monitors do.

In short, they are two seperate things with two entirely different purposes. That said a TV is fine for a HTPC, but then again that is a very specific purpose. However it is okay to get a PC monitor and use that to display video, and it can be very pleasing if but small.

In short Monitor being used as TV okay...
TV being used as Monitor not okay.
 
My 32" lcd tv (see sig) has a crystal clear picture just as good as my imac 20". i connect my pci via dvi to the tv and use a resolution of 1280x720 (great for games!) even office work//photoshop/surfing the net looks great. i do agree a stantard tv or standard rear projection tv will look shite compared to crt monitors/lcd monitors/lcdTvs/rear projection lcdtvs/plasma tvs. The plasma on the link you provided would make a fantastic pc display but not as crisp as an lcd tv, also be sure what resolution it Fully Supports (My lcd tv looks grea at 1280x720 but a bit flickery at 1080i), however an lcd tv of that size will cost a bomb!!
 
UnknownSouljer said:
I'm not going to get into details of the nitty gritty right now, but in short NO, no TV will EVER look as good for using on a computer as a monitor does.

If it did, TV's and monitors wouldn't even bother to distinguish themsevles from one another... it's the reason why a 20" montior can cost you $600 easily, and a 20" TV is had for in some cases under $100. TV's are interlaced (with the notable exception of progressive scan), they don't offer high resolutions, or the same about of pixels as monitors do.

In short, they are two seperate things with two entirely different purposes. That said a TV is fine for a HTPC, but then again that is a very specific purpose. However it is okay to get a PC monitor and use that to display video, and it can be very pleasing if but small.

In short Monitor being used as TV okay...
TV being used as Monitor not okay.
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I completely agree with you, HDTV displays (with the exception of certain crt front projectors) limit you to the resolutions that they can support.
 
ncantador said:
I completely agree with you, HDTV displays (with the exception of certain crt front projectors) limit you to the resolutions that they can support.
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I think yourself and UnknownSouljer are not answering thaxs question, Thaxs is not asking about a shitty 20" standard Tube television which everyone knows will only output a fuzzy low res pc picture. Thax wants to know if Plasmas or any other High Definition TV will look good, Most of todays 42" plasmas plus and lcdtv 32" plus will go to a high resolution of 1920 x 1080 and yes certain ones do look just as good if not better than pc monitors. if i didnt have an imac i would buy another 32" lcdtv and use it as my office desktop monitor.
 
not a hdtv device!!!

no hdtv tuner, and resolution of only 1024x768! not fully hdtv.

but very pretty i think.
 
Rash said:
I think yourself and UnknownSouljer are not answering thaxs question, Thaxs is not asking about a shitty 20" standard Tube television which everyone knows will only output a fuzzy low res pc picture. Thax wants to know if Plasmas or any other High Definition TV will look good, Most of todays 42" plasmas plus and lcdtv 32" plus will go to a high resolution of 1920 x 1080 and yes certain ones do look just as good if not better than pc monitors. if i didnt have an imac i would buy another 32" lcdtv and use it as my office desktop monitor.
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Would you recommend the TV he linked in his post after seeing these specs?

Screen Size: 42" / 107cm (diagonal)
Resolution: WXGA, 1024 x 768 pixels
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Brightness: 1000 cd/mContrast Ratio: 3000:1
Color Resolution: 16.7 million Colors
View angle: over 160°
Built-in Speakers: Digital Doby (SPDIF),
3-D Effect Sound System
Computer Resolution: Supports VESA VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA

He wanted to know if these TV sets would look good AS A PC monitor. And unless you have tons of cash, the answer is still no.
 
ncantador said:
Would you recommend the TV he linked in his post after seeing these specs?

Screen Size: 42" / 107cm (diagonal)
Resolution: WXGA, 1024 x 768 pixels
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Brightness: 1000 cd/mContrast Ratio: 3000:1
Color Resolution: 16.7 million Colors
View angle: over 160°
Built-in Speakers: Digital Doby (SPDIF),
3-D Effect Sound System
Computer Resolution: Supports VESA VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA

He wanted to know if these TV sets would look good AS A PC monitor. And unless you have tons of cash, the answer is still no.
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Nope but i would recommend my samsung 32" LCD TV that has hi res and has DVI,vga,composite, hdmi input,2 scarts picture in picture. that costs less than £900 in Dixons Uk at the moment which for the size is a steal. You can see the text on it as clear as a monitor, Games look amazing on it, it doesnt ghost, it is a big screen that looks as good as a smaller one looks. Id rather play Half Life 2 on a 32" Screen LCDTV maxed out at 1280 x 720 widescreen resolution than a £600 20" monitor anyday, also having ondigital, a ps2 hooked up through component is a bonus of having one of these lcd tvs. Ill post a pic tomorrow showing half life 2 at 1280 x 720 with 4xaa and 16 x af, and also a hi res picture of the desktop to show the clarity.
 
I bet that plasma wouldn't look too bad. The resolution sucks though.

i think you would be happier with this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11072&item=5779140967&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

you should try out avsforums.com they have a htpc section over there espically for this.

The reason why i linked that ebay 1 yr old model is because it has a dvi port and you can run a 720p signal from your pc to this tv on that dvi port and it looks great. not to mention the tv looks awesome with HDTV also.

here's some pics in action.

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1026181005&postcount=50
 
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Here you go heres farcry at 1280 x 768 max detail on a decent 32 " lcd tv.
farcry.jpg


and heres the desktop:
desktop.jpg

message me if the pics are too big and ill take them off, sorry if any inconvenience caused! ;) I will post half life 2 screen shots when steam has finished pissing around. got an excel pic if anyone wants it posting aswell.
 
For HTPC use sure, for computing tasks like web browing or office use,it probably wouldn't be so great. I'm limited with space so I just bought a 24" 1920x1200 widescreen lcd for the best of both worlds. Maybe when I get a larger place and more cash I'll buy a 37" or so display for HTPC use.
 
so since it looks like tvs dont do so good. wahts a good Monitor that looks good and is large?
 
It may not be as elegant a solution, as the monitor is quite large, but my personal recommendation is the now discontinued 24inch Sony GDM-FW900. They are refurbished units still available if you look around.

And Rash. What are those green vertical lines visible on the hand and just above?. Is that in the image or is that your camera? For my own personal preference, I would rather not deal with the screen door effect on lcds, especially sitting in such close proximity of one that large. I would find that too distracting.
 
ncantador said:
It may not be as elegant a solution, as the monitor is quite large, but my personal recommendation is the now discontinued 24inch Sony GDM-FW900. They are refurbished units still available if you look around.

And Rash. What are those green vertical lines visible on the hand and just above?. Is that in the image or is that your camera? For my own personal preference, I would rather not deal with the screen door effect on lcds, especially sitting in such close proximity of one that large. I would find that too distracting.
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Yer thats my camera lol, had it 6 months and i still havent figured out how to use it!!, i agree about the screen door issue, if im sat about 3ft away i can notice it, i cant notice it on my 20" imac though, i have to have my face next to the screen to see it. ok point taken now you mention it, respect!
 
Respect man. It is a very nice display though, I've been considering one to put on a wall behind my monitor in my office for HT use, and this is one I'll have to look at. They run about 1,100.00 here in the US for the 26inch model.
 
I have my PC hooked to 50" DLP, it's an Optoma RD50H. Native resolution on it is 720p which means 1280x720 60Hz. I'm connected via DVI, it works best for clear text. Component and VGA inputs are possible too. I use it for surfing and games. I've played FarCry and HL2 and I'm now playing Doom3 on it. They all look great, they all support 16:9 widescreen format, some games you have to do some .cfg hacking to get them to display right. My set has the HD2 chip in it, if I were getting something now I'd get the RD50A which has the HD2+. Lots of people on AVS Forums are getting a good deal on them from HERE. Once you game on a big wide screen with nice surround setup I'm not sure there's any going back. I'll try to get some pics of mine posted.

peace.
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Whatever you do, DO NOT buy a plasma for use as a PC monitor, I cant believe it hasnt been mentioned in this thread yet, Plasmas have very bad burn in potential and should be avoided as a PC monitor. They are even questionable as a video game TV due to the burn in issues.
 
Plus, who wants 1028x754? horrible resolution

Wait until the next couple of years when 1080P Plasmas come out with a pixel rate of 1920x1200, and it'll cost u $6000, but it'll be worth it.
 
I agree. I think that if you want an LCD to doulbe as a PC monitor and TV monitor, not only should it have plenty of inputs, especially DVI-HDCP and maybe even HDMI(think future support here folks), but it should also have true HD resolution. The 1920x1080 res should guarantee a beautful picture with a quality source of course.
 
My experiences....

PC with ATI 9200 over VGA on Maxent 42" MX-42VM7 (852x480 native, no DVI/HDCP input))

Low end plasma, had to use 800x600x72hz to get a descent/stable desktop. Picture quality was not that great and the desktop was cramped to say the least. Worked good for playing games like Rise of Nations and C&C Generals at 1024x768.

Mac Mini with ATI 9200 over DVI on Mitsubishi 65" WS-65315 (1920x1080i native)

Upper mid range rear projection CRT. The Mac detected a lot of resolutions on the EDID of the TV. The CRT (naturally) was able to display almost all of them very well. The highest, 1920x1080, had a bit of shimmer to it. However I'm not sure if the Mac was outputing 1080p causing the TV to rescan it. The TV had a pretty bad case of overscan on the signal. I could only see the top half of the OSX Dock, and could not even see the menu bar at the top of the screen...so some manipulation would probably need to be done there.

Both TV's are in the $2000 range, but represent different classes within their respective technologies. The plasma was terrible looking and would not be suitable for anything other than games. The CRT looked very good and would be suitable for daily usage, using a smaller CRT that is native 1080i would probably yield a percieved better picture quality (most of the Mitsubishi TV's are 1080i).

I'm happy to report that I just looked at Bestbuy.com and they now have an upgraded Maxent TV for the same price I paid in January that is native at 720p and has both DVI & HDCP :mad: :(
 
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