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The HD DVD Promotions Group has issued a statement responding to the Netflix /Best Buy announcements yesterday. The company called the decisions unfortunate. Here’s what the statement said:

We have long held the belief that HD DVD is the best format for consumers based on quality and value, and with more than 1 million HD DVD players on the market, it's unfortunate to see Netflix make the decision to only stock Blu-ray titles going forward. While the Best Buy announcement says they will recommend Blu-ray, at least they will continue to carry HD DVD and offer consumers a choice at retail.
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They said the same thing about the Warner change as well. You would think it would be better to say nothing at all than just to say that it's "unfortunate".


...Unfortunate for you guys, maybe, but it warms my PS3-purchasing heart. :p
 
Best buy like all retailers is going to recommend whatever costs more,thats how they make their $,im sure not buying the argument thats its "clearly" a better format cuz we all know thats bs
 
[Retaliation];1032052787 said:
Best buy like all retailers is going to recommend whatever costs more,thats how they make their $,im sure not buying the argument thats its "clearly" a better format cuz we all know thats bs
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it's unfortunate that blu-ray is technically superior
 
[Retaliation];1032052787 said:
Best buy like all retailers is going to recommend whatever costs more,thats how they make their $,im sure not buying the argument thats its "clearly" a better format cuz we all know thats bs
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I don't know that it's BS.

Bottom line, specs aside is that the momentum and the studios are clearly on one side. That alone makes it "better". Personally I'm not interested in another spec discussion, as it's been done a million times. But I personally don't think you can refute who has the studios and the momentum.

I hope it continues this way so we can move on with having all of the movies I want on one single format.
 
[Retaliation];1032052787 said:
Best buy like all retailers is going to recommend whatever costs more,thats how they make their $,im sure not buying the argument thats its "clearly" a better format cuz we all know thats bs
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so...the format that sells 17% of the HDM market is the product they should have chose? Versus the product (BD) that has 80% share weekly?

Regardless of prices, selling what every1 is buying is what makes sense.
 
[Retaliation];1032052787 said:
im sure not buying the argument thats its "clearly" a better format cuz we all know thats bs
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Bluray has always had the potential to be the better format. HD DVD launched with full technical support for the format's features. When I bought my HD DVD player, it was clearly better format, but Sony has been catching up. 50GB discs are a reality, loossless audio is real, and Bluray's hard coat protects the discs better than HD DVD. I don't know about the later model Toshiba's but my PS3 is a much better player than my A1.
 
rabident said:
Bluray has always had the potential to be the better format. HD DVD launched with full technical support for the format's features. When I bought my HD DVD player, it was clearly better format, but Sony has been catching up. 50GB discs are a reality, loossless audio is real, and Bluray's hard coat protects the discs better than HD DVD. I don't know about the later model Toshiba's but my PS3 is a much better player than my A1.
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I wouldn't be so quick to state that about the hard coat. Between DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray I get more returns for Blu-Ray discs being scratched to hell at my work than anything else.
 
HD-DVD integration into the next XBOX console would be a market blowing thing. Everyone wants an XBOX so it would give them a HUGE install base, unlike the PS3 and Blu-Ray.
 
Zinn said:
it's unfortunate that blu-ray is technically superior
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the only thing that would make blu-ray technically superior would be that it holds more data. Thats it. Both formats support the same audio/video formats, which is what matters most in HD.
 
rabident said:
Bluray has always had the potential to be the better format. HD DVD launched with full technical support for the format's features. When I bought my HD DVD player, it was clearly better format, but Sony has been catching up. 50GB discs are a reality, loossless audio is real, and Bluray's hard coat protects the discs better than HD DVD. I don't know about the later model Toshiba's but my PS3 is a much better player than my A1.
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HD DVD doesn't require the hard coat because its data layers are already far enough under the surface of the disk.
 
I ordered my HD-DVD player the day before the netflix announcement. I ordered it primarily for the DVD up converting so I don't feel as bad, it just stings a little.

Its in my office staring back at me from the amazon box...
 
Deviationer said:
the only thing that would make blu-ray technically superior would be that it holds more data. Thats it. Both formats support the same audio/video formats, which is what matters most in HD.
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While this is fairly close to being technically true (there are some minor differences outside of capacity), in practice, BD has consistently come out ahead in its content having > bit rates, and lossless audio tracks. Of course, this could be blamed on the content providers (or lack thereof).
 
Between all the HD DVD and Blu-ray movie's I've watched in my theater, believe it or not, Transformers still has the best audio track I've heard to date, and it isn't even lossless. :p
 
If the pornographic industry moves to BD, I think that HD-DVD will truly die.
 
jbzx86 said:
If the pornographic industry moves to BD, I think that HD-DVD will truly die.
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I've said it before, but the pr0n industry isn't going to be the deciding factor this time around.

I personally don't want BD to win, but that's because I hate Sony. If everyone can get behind it though, I'll deal with it.
 
Zinn said:
it's unfortunate that blu-ray is technically superior
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which profile ;)
profile 1.0
profile 1.1
profile 2.0

it aint over yet the whole profile BS could still kill it for blueray. Hardware shouldn't become obsolete so quickly and people are pissed, the ppl that gave blueray the legup as well
 
eeyrjmr said:
which profile ;)
profile 1.0
profile 1.1
profile 2.0

it aint over yet the whole profile BS could still kill it for blueray. Hardware shouldn't become obsolete so quickly and people are pissed, the ppl that gave blueray the legup as well
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Sad to say but companies don't really care about the consumers. Well, at least the companies backing BD.
 
eeyrjmr said:
which profile ;)
profile 1.0
profile 1.1
profile 2.0

it aint over yet the whole profile BS could still kill it for blueray. Hardware shouldn't become obsolete so quickly and people are pissed, the ppl that gave blueray the legup as well
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If you think the profile changes are going to sink BluRay we we will have to take the HD-DEAD zealot crown from wiretap and give it to you.

Profile 1.1 adds Picture in Picture, and is the last mandatory profile.
Profile 2.0 is optional and adds internet connection. (Who really wants an internet connection on their Disk based movie player?)

A profile 1.0 player still plays all the new movies. So it is only obsolete if PIP is something you must have. I assume most people will use 1.0 players until they break, because it still plays all the movies. I haven't seen many (any) BluRay fans complaining about missing PIP. The complaints about profiles all seem to be from HD-DEAD fanboys grasping at straws.

The real BluRay complaints I see are about faulty samsung player that doesn't play some movies, but that has nothing to do with profile and everything to do with a bad design. For the vast majority of people, if new movies are released for thier player and it plays them, it isn't obsolete. Obsolete would be a movie player with no new movies...
 
I hate to say it but I think Blu-ray is gonna be dead too with HD download services in the near horizon.
 
Snowdog said:
If you think the profile changes are going to sink BluRay we we will have to take the HD-DEAD zealot crown from wiretap and give it to you.

Profile 1.1 adds Picture in Picture, and is the last mandatory profile.
Profile 2.0 is optional and adds internet connection. (Who really wants an internet connection on their Disk based movie player?)

A profile 1.0 player still plays all the new movies. So it is only obsolete if PIP is something you must have. I assume most people will use 1.0 players until they break, because it still plays all the movies. I haven't seen many (any) BluRay fans complaining about missing PIP. The complaints about profiles all seem to be from HD-DEAD fanboys grasping at straws.

The real BluRay complaints I see are about faulty samsung player that doesn't play some movies, but that has nothing to do with profile and everything to do with a bad design. For the vast majority of people, if new movies are released for thier player and it plays them, it isn't obsolete. Obsolete would be a movie player with no new movies...
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tbf can't be arsed with either of them, they battled for no reason for to long and they are both gonna be obsolete very quickly due to it as the person above me stated
 
Snowdog said:
If you think the profile changes are going to sink BluRay we we will have to take the HD-DEAD zealot crown from wiretap and give it to you.

Profile 1.1 adds Picture in Picture, and is the last mandatory profile.
Profile 2.0 is optional and adds internet connection. (Who really wants an internet connection on their Disk based movie player?)

A profile 1.0 player still plays all the new movies. So it is only obsolete if PIP is something you must have. I assume most people will use 1.0 players until they break, because it still plays all the movies. I haven't seen many (any) BluRay fans complaining about missing PIP. The complaints about profiles all seem to be from HD-DEAD fanboys grasping at straws.

The real BluRay complaints I see are about faulty samsung player that doesn't play some movies, but that has nothing to do with profile and everything to do with a bad design. For the vast majority of people, if new movies are released for thier player and it plays them, it isn't obsolete. Obsolete would be a movie player with no new movies...
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lulz.
 
bfellow said:
I hate to say it but I think Blu-ray is gonna be dead too with HD download services in the near horizon.
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Reliable and quality HD Download services with as high of quality as HDM discs can provide are not on the near horizon. They are at a minimum 3 years off, and thats before they even think to reach mass adoption. Bandwidth limits, ISPS blocking digital media, ISPs wanting to charge per gb downloaded, licensing. There is still a TON of red tape. I think blu-ray is quite safe from digital downloads impact for the time being.
 
Snowdog said:
For the vast majority of people, if new movies are released for thier player and it plays them, it isn't obsolete. Obsolete would be a movie player with no new movies...
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And that is the rub.

Please let the FUD go away it isnt going to change anything. :rolleyes:
 
4saken said:
Reliable and quality HD Download services with as high of quality as HDM discs can provide are not on the near horizon. They are at a minimum 3 years off, and thats before they even think to reach mass adoption. Bandwidth limits, ISPS blocking digital media, ISPs wanting to charge per gb downloaded, licensing. There is still a TON of red tape. I think blu-ray is quite safe from digital downloads impact for the time being.
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If you've seen the success of Slingbox, think of what AppleTV is planning and quite possibly Microsoft...
 
The only winners here are the ones who bought a dual format player. Keep your PoSIII for blow-ray and HD-DUD players, it doesn't matter.

Since Sony was fudge-packing the numbers with their PoSIII as a blow-ray player, HD-DUD would have clearly "won" in numbers had the 360 came with a built-in HD-DUD player. :p
 
Who in their right mind takes advice from someone who works at bestbuy?
 
ShagnWagn said:
The only winners here are the ones who bought a dual format player. Keep your PoSIII for blow-ray and HD-DUD players, it doesn't matter.

Since Sony was fudge-packing the numbers with their PoSIII as a blow-ray player, HD-DUD would have clearly "won" in numbers had the 360 came with a built-in HD-DUD player. :p
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Please, just stop trying to be clever.
 
bfellow said:
If you've seen the success of Slingbox, think of what AppleTV is planning and quite possibly Microsoft...
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Right like they have not tried for years. More FUD? The same reasons it hasn't worked so far just get bigger when your try to use HD content. Sooner or later yes son enough to have an impact on BR adoption no.
 
Zinn said:
it's unfortunate that blu-ray is technically superior
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The discs and lasers are, but SURE AS HELL not the software and players.

Blu-Ray players have way more compatibility problems with new releases, a lot less features if they are not 2.0 spec, and other than the PS3, are not upgradeable through ethernet like all HD-DVD players. Oh, and did I mention they cost at least twice as much?

Sorry to say, but the only thing "superior" about Blu-Ray is the disc storage capacity.
 
Deviationer said:
the only thing that would make blu-ray technically superior would be that it holds more data. Thats it. Both formats support the same audio/video formats, which is what matters most in HD.
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Actually Blu-Ray also has considerably higher bitrates available for the formats and can theoretically do more layers than HD-DVD also. This is really more of an advantage in audio than video though.

SamuraiInBlack said:
I wouldn't be so quick to state that about the hard coat. Between DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray I get more returns for Blu-Ray discs being scratched to hell at my work than anything else.
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I've never seen one returned for that, you really have to work hard to damaging the hardcoating its not easy to damage. Plus your inclusion of DVD really casts doubt on the whole thing for me, I've seen dozens of DVDs scratched to the point of being unplayable.
 
gtg465x said:
Sorry to say, but the only thing "superior" about Blu-Ray is the disc storage capacity.
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But honestly isn't that the only thing that matters? I mean, afterall HD-DVD and Blu-Ray at their core are a storage medium. Software and codecs can change, but storage stays the same. And the extra diskspace sure is nice.

As for all the profile crap. No one cares. Honestly, mass market adaptation will come in a few years out and by then the profiles will be standard. Early adapters are tech heads who will pay for a new player for new features just like they bought bluray to start with. Tech people enjoy gadgets and they will continue the fund them. The success of blu-ray as a video format will come from the mass market, and by the time the market begins to accept it, the talk to software, codecs, and profiles will be something reserved to a very small group of users on forums such as these.

Finally, downloadable HD content as someone said, is far from a reality. Sure you can get 720P RESOLUTION from downloadable sources. But until someone offers 50gb downloads which match the bitrate of a disk please dont call it HD. And once you can get 50gb downloads, good luck convincing the ISPs to provide the bandwidth to stream it to your home. For the vast majority of people (ie. not tech folsk like us) physical media is here to stay for a long long time.
 
demingo said:
But honestly isn't that the only thing that matters? I mean, afterall HD-DVD and Blu-Ray at their core are a storage medium. Software and codecs can change, but storage stays the same. And the extra diskspace sure is nice.

As for all the profile crap. No one cares. Honestly, mass market adaptation will come in a few years out and by then the profiles will be standard. Early adapters are tech heads who will pay for a new player for new features just like they bought bluray to start with. Tech people enjoy gadgets and they will continue the fund them. The success of blu-ray as a video format will come from the mass market, and by the time the market begins to accept it, the talk to software, codecs, and profiles will be something reserved to a very small group of users on forums such as these.

Finally, downloadable HD content as someone said, is far from a reality. Sure you can get 720P RESOLUTION from downloadable sources. But until someone offers 50gb downloads which match the bitrate of a disk please dont call it HD. And once you can get 50gb downloads, good luck convincing the ISPs to provide the bandwidth to stream it to your home. For the vast majority of people (ie. not tech folsk like us) physical media is here to stay for a long long time.
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People don't care. They just want their movies in high def, and they want them to play without confusion. They want all the features, and want them fully working. I know many people turned off by the constant profile updates and the need to reflash the firmware or re-install software every month.
 
I personally favored HD-DVD;because it was cheaper to produce, but I really don't care I'm just glad there is finally a likely winner. I don't get all bent out of shape about format. I do get bent out of shape about incompatible standards. Finally I can start looking into buying a player.
 
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