Has ATI given up?

[Hornet]

if crossfireX scales like it should with 4 gpus hooked in, the crown will be theirs for 2007, like it or not.

Only if you look at the final benchmark figure, while completely ignoring the cost and power consumption, as well as its huge size.

However, consumer will have to consider those two important factor, which is going to make it very unattractive. Hardly anyone would want to have such a setup.

getting the performance crown is one thing, but it has to be practical where people will actually buys it

 

[Borgschulze]

wrong and wrong.

bent over prison style?

ever heard of the x1950xt? x800xtpe?


if crossfireX scales like it should with 4 gpus hooked in, the crown will be theirs for 2007, like it or not.

Thanks for posting that, I didn't know how to word it without being banned.

 

[Wolf-R1]

if crossfireX scales like it should with 4 gpus hooked in, the crown will be theirs for 2007, like it or not.

I love dumb statements like this. 2007 is OVER. Even if ATI released something that bests Nvidia's offerings on December 31 Nvidia still owned 2007.

Logic people...use it.

 

[Kaldskryke]

getting the performance crown is one thing, but it has to be practical where people will actually buys it

Believe it or not, performance crown reputation trickles down into midrange sales. It's a terrible fallacy, I know, but when Joe Bloe asks, "Which brand is faster these days" and is told "nVidia", he'll go and buy the 8600GTS over the HD3850 because they're priced the same. It happens. And given how huge and generally-less-informed mid-range market segment is, it's probably a big deal, too.

Regarding CrossfireX giving ATI the win: 4x3870 might be impressive, and probably also 2x3880 or whatever the dual-chip card is, but I'm pretty sure 4x3880 is not an option. Given SLi's typically better scaling, 3x8800GTS512 might be hard to beat. If 3-way-SLI extends to the inevitable 8800GX2, that would be pretty hard to beat also. *shrugs* I guess we'll see in Jan/Feb.

 

[greyt_Autumn]

I know that it's hard for a lot of you to believe, but "Enthusiast" does not always equal "must be on the bleeding edge with every refresh".

I consider myself an enthusiast, but I still run a four year old System with some upgrades- one that *gasp* uses an AGP card and is single core!

I'm upgrading in January to a Q9450 and hope to get this type of mileage out of the new build.

I would not be buying a high end GPU this round- upper middle sure (It's served me well over the years), but not the top. The price premium is too steep, has been for a number of generations- that cost/benefit ratio. I can spend $80 more for 10% more performance, not a good investment to me.

Right now, I'ts almost a lock that I'll be going with the 3870. It appears to be the best bang/buck with pretty good performance. I'm also a sim geek, so I tend to be more CPU bound

I also drive a '99 Jetta. It takes me 7 miles to the train everyday. My other (family) car is a loaded '07 Sienna

Whay not bring the battle to the midrange. You sell far more units, and more people care- more buzz there than at the bleeding edge.

 

[pfunkman]

I know that it's hard for a lot of you to believe, but "Enthusiast" does not always equal "must be on the bleeding edge with every refresh".

I consider myself an enthusiast, but I still run a four year old System with some upgrades- one that *gasp* uses an AGP card and is single core!

I'm upgrading in January to a Q9450 and hope to get this type of mileage out of the new build.

I would not be buying a high end GPU this round- upper middle sure (It's served me well over the years), but not the top. The price premium is too steep, has been for a number of generations- that cost/benefit ratio. I can spend $80 more for 10% more performance, not a good investment to me.

Right now, I'ts almost a lock that I'll be going with the 3870. It appears to be the best bang/buck with pretty good performance. I'm also a sim geek, so I tend to be more CPU bound

I also drive a '99 Jetta. It takes me 7 miles to the train everyday. My other (family) car is a loaded '07 Sienna

Whay not bring the battle to the midrange. You sell far more units, and more people care- more buzz there than at the bleeding edge.

From the dictionary,

One who is filled with enthusiasm; one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit:

There are different ways to be an enthusiast but theres nothing wrong with those willing to pay the premiums to be bleeding edge either.

The low end as in sub $50 and IGP's are the real money makers for these companies not the mid level. The high end keeps the things moving forward and this is what the enthusiasts want to see wether they intend to buy it or not.

Competition at the high end means not only improvements and innovations that trickle down the scale but price competition that trickles its way down the line as well.

The main point you and people that share your opinion are missing is with high end competition the high end becomes mid level after time (usually about a year). meaning right now if there had been solid competition over the last year we would be getting 8800GTX performance in the $100-$200 range.

 

[bracky]

and hey honda built an army of civics...then from there made motorcycles, then made dirt bike parts, now look, they are the top 5 of the automotive feild...sales wise..
cheap parts + mainstream = $$$$$ -> R&D -> better gear


IMO of course

Actually Honda started out building motorcycles. Their first car imported into N. America was the S500. A roadster which was the original predescessor to the S2000.

 

[bracky]

oops

 

[Sagan]

the HD 3870 in comparison to the 8800gt is like an x700 put next to a 6600gt

 

[Dunan]

WTH? I'll take some of what your smoking..

without a doubt

up until last year AMD/ATi was handing intel's/nvidia's ass to them consistently. where do you get this 'bowing to market' dominance baloney?
so the opponents have the better team RIGHT NOW. they will come back, they always have.

 

[snaggletooth]

I love dumb statements like this. 2007 is OVER. Even if ATI released something that bests Nvidia's offerings on December 31 Nvidia still owned 2007.

Logic people...use it.

hahah

if ATI has the fastest/highest resolution/best image quality gaming experience available by the end of the calender year of 2007, regardless of price/heat/your personal anger, then....


that'd be a check in the "W" column, as far as i'm concerned.

see that? there's my logic, explained even! hope it's not too complicated.

now, explain your logic. it's november 2007. you state that 2007 is over. that's wrong!


soooooo, who's logic is flawed? we could argue about this for awhile and both be wrong, you mostly, for suggesting my level of intelligence pales in comparison to your mighty wit.






ps -

 

[milkweg]

I think, they (both companies) should stop making any better cards altogether.

Why? To let poor people like me catch up in the e-penis race.

Actually, that's not such a bad idea. Then game developers could learn to maximize optimization of these cards instead of just relying on more powerful cards to make up for their poor coding skills. Look at all the great looking and smooth running games they put out on consoles with less powerful video cards. I'm sick of games that run like a snail on even the fastest cards the PC has. It's like we are a training ground or something and then when they get really good they move onto the consoles. Another side effect would be that they could give us games with much better AI instead of games with just better graphics but the same dumb AI from 20 years ago.

 

[kumquat]

Actually, that's not such a bad idea. Then game developers could learn to maximize optimization of these cards instead of just relying on more powerful cards to make up for their poor coding skills. Look at all the great looking and smooth running games they put out on consoles with less powerful video cards. I'm sick of games that run like a snail on even the fastest cards the PC has. It's like we are a training ground or something and then when they get really good they move onto the consoles. Another side effect would be that they could give us games with much better AI instead of games with just better graphics but the same dumb AI from 20 years ago.

Man, Crysis is more visually impressive than anything on either of the two HD consoles and it runs well on current mid-range hardware at 720p. COD4 is right up there with the best console stuff and it runs beautifully on last generation's mid-range hardware at 720p.

 

[Arcygenical]

Actually, that's not such a bad idea. Then game developers could learn to maximize optimization of these cards instead of just relying on more powerful cards to make up for their poor coding skills. Look at all the great looking and smooth running games they put out on consoles with less powerful video cards.

. Really? You Really think that?

 

[Mr. K6]

Actually, that's not such a bad idea. Then game developers could learn to maximize optimization of these cards instead of just relying on more powerful cards to make up for their poor coding skills. Look at all the great looking and smooth running games they put out on consoles with less powerful video cards. I'm sick of games that run like a snail on even the fastest cards the PC has. It's like we are a training ground or something and then when they get really good they move onto the consoles. Another side effect would be that they could give us games with much better AI instead of games with just better graphics but the same dumb AI from 20 years ago.

Agreed. The hardware is fine where it is, the software is not. Both companies offer cards with substantial power that should be more than enough to run newest games if they were optimized. I'm not sure how much of a direct comparison console gaming is granted it's done at a lower resolution, but the lack of optimization in PC games is apparent. It would be nice to see game developers not be pressured so much by publishers so that they can run on their own schedule and actually produce a finished product (which few of them do).

 

[Obi_Kwiet]

If ATI's smart, they'll have been putting most of their eggs in the r700 basket, while doing a die shrink along the way to recoup some of the losses from the R600 archi. It would take to much effort to fix the R600, ATI just needs to take advantage of Nvidia's laxness to get back on the ball.