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900Mhz core clocks
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That would have a lot to do with the better scores too ;)

I always suspected there was a lot of overclocking headroom in the X800/X850 core, ram and core voltages (and cooling) on stock cards always seemed a little conservative to me.
 
Jbirney said:
With SLI you need same verison of the BIOS and same cards.
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No you don't!
The BIOS version of the cards is irrelavant, it's a myth...

Terra...
 
Terra said:
No you don't!
The BIOS version of the cards is irrelavant, it's a myth...

Terra...
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I've seen people though with even the same BIOS on cards and they not want to work in SLI, seems almost like a toss up sometimes..

And CMAN. The cheapest Master card (X800XL 128MB Master) is only listed as like $250 or something like that. So much for being amazingly expensive.
 
If I were to get Cross fire this early (Which I will not) I would get dual X800XLs 256meg.
Terra I thought you needed the same bios?
Weird I guess I was wrong. We need Rollo about know he knows a lot about SLi (even if he is biased).
 
Skrying said:
I've seen people though with even the same BIOS on cards and they not want to work in SLI, seems almost like a toss up sometimes..

And CMAN. The cheapest Master card (X800XL 128MB Master) is only listed as like $250 or something like that. So much for being amazingly expensive.
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And who has that card for sale for that price? Oh nobody,so it's really an unknown factor right now, just as how good the cross fire works. And how about the motherboard?They arent going to be giving those away,and i havn't seen any prices on them yet. It's all speculation right now,nobody nows for sure what the cost will be or how the system performs or much of anything else. ATI fanatics are just grasping for good news even if they have to create their own. The only thing that can be done right now is wait untill all the componets are released,and see how it works and what it cost.
 
Met-Al, As soon as I am done tending the still I a-gonna sick my billy goat on you.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
If I were to get Cross fire this early (Which I will not) I would get dual X800XLs 256meg.
Terra I thought you needed the same bios?
Weird I guess I was wrong. We need Rollo about know he knows a lot about SLi (even if he is biased).
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I found some info here:
FAQ SLI

Can I mix and match graphics cards?
No. NVIDIA currently doesn't support SLI on two different models or from different vendors. SLI supports configurations with the same model (i.e. 6800 Ultra) from the same vendor (Vendor XYZ). A common misconception about SLI is that the BIOS revision has to be identical between the cards. This is not true. A manufacturer can revise the BIOS without affecting SLI. NVIDIA does however recommend that customers confirm SLI compatibility with the manufacturer before making a purchase.
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Terra...
 
CMAN said:
And who has that card for sale for that price? Oh nobody,so it's really an unknown factor right now, just as how good the cross fire works. And how about the motherboard?They arent going to be giving those away,and i havn't seen any prices on them yet. It's all speculation right now,nobody nows for sure what the cost will be or how the system performs or much of anything else. ATI fanatics are just grasping for good news even if they have to create their own. The only thing that can be done right now is wait untill all the componets are released,and see how it works and what it cost.
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Then how the hell could you guess they would all be super expensive? Oh wait, you like to play the game but cant take it when someone else does.

I even believe that in the Hardocp article that a MSRP was listed for all three version of the Master cards. Since ATi is controlling these themselves, then they can sell at the MSRP no problem from their own store. I believe the prices listed were $549 for X850XT PE master, $300 for X800XL 256MB master, and $249 for 128MB X800XL master.

And Nvidiots are trying to bash it all the way....
 
Ever since the X800XTPEs were over MSRP (by a hell of a lot too) they seem to pin that on every ATI card.
I agree that the X850 has had problems staying at MSRP but so far I have been able to find X850s at MSRP most of the time.
I think its the other way around CMAN, its been Nvidia fans clawing at anything to make Cross Fire look bad, then agian the same stuff happened with SLi but their was more meat to the ATi Fan Boi Arguements then
 
I may not have done my research, and I apologize if the question has already asked and answered here...

So are there any demo motherboards, etc. of these "Radeon Xpress 200 CrossFire edition chipset" with dual PCI-E slots? I'm curious what kind of features these motherboards will have, and if they will be as overclockable and cool as DFI LanParty motherboards. ;)

Was SERIOUSLY considering the DR board and an Athlon 64 3700+ San Deigo when I heard about Crossfire. Think I'm glad I waited, as this could change everything. Or at least prices may fall while I wait. :D
 
Sure looks like it. I dont put a lot of stock in his posts, he has 2x6600GT's, and a FX card.
 
fallguy said:
Sure looks like it. I dont put a lot of stock in his posts, he has 2x6600GT's, and a FX card.
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What does that have to do with anything? That statement sounds like you don't think too highly of anyone that owns Nvidia hardware......
 
It means he could have made better choices. Such as, a 6800GT instead of 2x6600GT's, and a 9800 Pro instead of the 5900. Both would be better than what he has, most of the time.
 
fallguy said:
It means he could have made better choices. Such as, a 6800GT instead of 2x6600GT's, and a 9800 Pro instead of the 5900. Both would be better than what he has, most of the time.
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It all depends on what games you play and what resolutions you play at. Indeed his cards could prove better than your recommendations easily depending on the scenario.

In any case, you have no right to pass judgment.
 
While the 5900 was a horrible choice, just because the two 6600GTs are weaker doesnt make it a bad choice. Lots of people experimented with SLi with 6600GTs.
Hell even I might some day.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
It all depends on what games you play and what resolutions you play at. Indeed his cards could prove better than your recommendations easily depending on the scenario.

In any case, you have no right to pass judgment.
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I said I dont put a lot of stock in his posts. I didnt tell you not to. You dont have to read mine, it doesnt matter to me. His posts are heavily bias, and his choice in cards to me is poor. Which is why I said what I did. Enough off topic for me though.
 
At least FanATIc has the courage to admit that he is a !!!!!!.
Not that it makes his statements better but atleast he has the courage to stand for what he belives in.
 
fallguy said:
It means he could have made better choices. Such as, a 6800GT instead of 2x6600GT's, and a 9800 Pro instead of the 5900. Both would be better than what he has, most of the time.
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My overclocked 6600 GT SLI system perfoms better than a single overclocked 6800GT. The 5900 was the fastest Nvidia card available when i bought it,ATI 9800 was not an option for me.
I dont need 6800 cards,my 6600 GT's work just fine for what i'm doing. I use my 53 inch HD TV for a monitor at 1080i resolution and crystal clear picture with the component cable,in SLI mode. Cant do that with the 6800 GT. You are intitled to your opinion even when it's wrong.
 
CMAN said:
My overclocked 6600 GT SLI system perfoms better than a single overclocked 6800GT. The 5900 was the fastest Nvidia card available when i bought it,ATI 9800 was not an option for me.
I dont need 6800 cards,my 6600 GT's work just fine for what i'm doing. I use my 53 inch HD TV for a monitor at 1080i resolution and crystal clear picture with the component cable,in SLI mode. Cant do that with the 6800 GT. You are intitled to your opinion even when it's wrong.
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Why was the 9800 not an option for you? What, you dont like owning a better card?
 
CMAN said:
I use my 53 inch HD TV for a monitor at 1080i resolution and crystal clear picture with the component cable,in SLI mode. Cant do that with the 6800 GT. You are intitled to your opinion even when it's wrong.
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I sent you a PM, so this wouldnt go further off topic. But you edited this in, and it seems you dont know where the PM's are. There are various ways to hook up a 6800GT to a HDTV. Just letting you know.
 
fallguy said:
I sent you a PM, so this wouldnt go further off topic. But you edited this in, and it seems you dont know where the PM's are. There are various ways to hook up a 6800GT to a HDTV. Just letting you know.
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Please explain it to me,because there are no 6800 GT with component HD TV hook ups.
 
fallguy said:
It means he could have made better choices. Such as, a 6800GT instead of 2x6600GT's, and a 9800 Pro instead of the 5900. Both would be better than what he has, most of the time.
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Oh ok.
 
CMAN said:
Please explain it to me,because there are no 6800 GT with component HD TV hook ups.
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Read your PM.. where I responded much more civil than you did. :)
 
fallguy said:
It means he could have made better choices. Such as, a 6800GT instead of 2x6600GT's, and a 9800 Pro instead of the 5900. Both would be better than what he has, most of the time.
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6800 GT wont do component HD TV,so that is not only a bad choice but not even a workable solution.
 
fallguy said:
Read your PM.. where I responded much more civil than you did. :)
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I want you to explain it here so everyone will know how to hook up component HD TV on a 6800 GT OR an ATI X800 even.
 
CMAN said:
I want you to explain it here so everyone will know how to hook up component HD TV on a 6800 GT OR an ATI X800 even.
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Well, ok then. You can get a DVI to component cables, from many resellers. Or you can get ATi's DVI to component adapter. Or since most HDTV have either a DVI or HDMI connection, you can simply use one of those.

Some links of what I am talking about.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...s&kw=SADCC&is=REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=331637

http://www.svideo.com/hdtvaiwr8500.html


At a glance:

- Delivers component video (YPbPr) output to a High Definition TV.

- Watch TV, play DVDs, surf the internet on your HDTV.

- Supports 480i (interlaced), 480p (progressive), 720p and 1080i formats.
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ATi can do HDTV out *fairly* well most of the time. A lot of Nvidia cards will not do HDTV because they don't support the proper output signalling (interlaced, custom timed) Sometimes you will get intermediate boards that have interesting quirks, like improper scaling or cropped images.

The first board to support HDTV component out was the 8500 from ATI, and a special 5700 from Nvidia labelled as "Personal Cinema".

You can't just attach a HDTV dongle at the end of a DVI card and expect it to work unfortunately.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
It all depends on what games you play and what resolutions you play at. Indeed his cards could prove better than your recommendations easily depending on the scenario.

In any case, you have no right to pass judgment.
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QFT Fallguy defaults to bashing nV like Crossfire defaults to tiling. :rolleyes:
 
Skrying said:
Why was the 9800 not an option for you? What, you dont like owning a better card?
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no some people here would rather stick to one company ..
 
CMAN said:
I want you to explain it here so everyone will know how to hook up component HD TV on a 6800 GT OR an ATI X800 even.
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Can you please try to keep this thread on topic? If you want to talk about how to get HDTV out of a video card, create a new thread.

By the way, I have done it with both cards, and the 6800 does it better via a DVI cable.
 
Its sort of on topic:

SLI has had some problems displaying widescreen on a regular monitor, so it didn't bode well for anyone with a HDTV.

Whether or not ATi will have the same issues with Crossfire will be anyones guess. HDTV is not plug and play in most cases, you do have to find the enabler in the driverset you use. IE ATi's is usually in the "pick from the four different types of displays" which most people never seem to find...
 
QFT Fallguy defaults to bashing nV like Crossfire defaults to tiling.
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no some people here would rather stick to one company ..
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That is possibly the worst reasoning I have ever heard. Ok so if Nvidia realesed the Geforce 4 agian, agianst the R520 would you get the Geforce 4 since its Nvidia and you dont want to "Dirty" your hands in another companies card.
 
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