Unfortuantely, that's like saying because something is written in C++, it's fast. DirectX is a tool for developers. While it can make certain aspects of games easier to create and develop, it doesn't just make it look nicer. It's up to the developers to do so.
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Unfortuantely, that's like saying because something is written in C++, it's fast. DirectX is a tool for developers. While it can make certain aspects of games easier to create and develop, it doesn't just make it look nicer. It's up to the developers to do so.
The circuitcity sunday ad shows Halo2 for pc will arrive on weds after 5p.m.
Link: http://circuitcity.shoplocal.com/ci...ber=21&rapid=392851&prvid=CircuitCity-070506b
Now my question is it worth it to play halo2? having to buy vista just to play it.
Link: http://circuitcity.shoplocal.com/ci...ber=21&rapid=392851&prvid=CircuitCity-070506b
Now my question is it worth it to play halo2? having to buy vista just to play it.
Release date: 5/8/2007 listed on product page. We'll know tomorrow I guess.
aeonrevolution
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Buying Vista just to play Halo 2?
BAHAHAHAHAH!
BAHAHAHAHAH!
You all will come back here and post screens and system specs when you get a copy, right? :-p
Since last I heard there is no co-op I won't touch this thing, but I damned interested to see how far such an old game has come, and what sort of demands it makes of everyone's hardware.
Since last I heard there is no co-op I won't touch this thing, but I damned interested to see how far such an old game has come, and what sort of demands it makes of everyone's hardware.
Yeah, but in a real-world, time-limited scenario, the net effect will still be that DX10 will make games look nicer. You just have to see how the Unreal, Source, Crysis engines have impacted the way games have looked and are developed. Sure, a developer can develop their own engine but why would they want to if they can build on top and enhance the base engine? It's like writing 1000 lines of assembly code when a 5 line managed code will do the same thing and in most practical cases be less buggy.
DX10 is going to have a similar impact. The new Crysis engine have effects that are unique to DX10 and there will be a lot of developers that are going to use this engine for their games. I doubt that in a practical scenario that they will spend time to enhance the DX9 version to be closer to the DX10 one.
Mystic-Micro
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THIS game is NOT DX10 (NO DX10required!!!!), JUST VISTA!!!!
see here --> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/halo2/news.html?sid=6151981
see here --> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/halo2/news.html?sid=6151981
Vista, DX10...still requires me to dual boot.
Cache probably matters too, somewhat...my E6600 gets 5.3 at stock, 5.6 at 2.9 Ghz, and 5.8 in the 3.2/3.3 range. Or it could be the chipset getting in the way
The Best Buy ad in my local (Washington DC area) paper had a "Tuesday after 2 PM" listed availability time...we'll see if that's the case...
so_cal_forever
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Just got pushed back a couple of weeks:
http://www.gametab.com/news/897794/
So yeah, the Gamestop/EB listings are correct.
http://www.gametab.com/news/897794/
So yeah, the Gamestop/EB listings are correct.
Gorankar
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Prolly not long.. I would guess that there likely is little more than an installer check that prevents it from being installed on Xp.. And/Or the game's .exe checks for Vista.. If that is it, then it will prolly only be a matter of a few weeks or days after release b4 it gets hacked to run in Xp.. But I cant say one way or the other for sure.. We will have to find out..
Ummm.... Bungie just announced a little over a week ago that it would be out on the 8th (I went gold when they announced it so they were done) and some people have already found and purchased the game (i.e. read before you post). CircuitCity and BestBuy have shipments on there way and will be sold tomorrow in most places.
So, yeah, I'm not sure why Gamestop and EB still show the wrong date (I wouldn't be surprised if that article you just linked to got their info from Gamestop or EB).
Sounds reasonable. That's also what someone posted on Bungie's forum saying a Target employee gave him (or her? but probably him) as the reason. And we know everything on the Internets is true...(well, this at least sounds plausible). Hopefully - the problems can be addressed and we'll see it tomorrow/Thursday...
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=10752933
HurtMeP1nty007
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I have been running Vista since launch and I think it's an awesome OS. Sorry you feel so strongly towards M$.
I can't wait for the 22nd
So now its gonna come out on 22nd? Perfect
And what the fuck is up with vista, i DO NOT want fucking vista...until service pack is released.
Jesus do you people not know how to read? It's ship date was the 8th, it's street date is today. I don't care what moron told you the 22nd or where you heard it from but there are many stores you can already buy it from and Bungie said it went gold over a week and a half ago and that it would be shipped on the 8th. Why would they say that only to take it back a little over a week later?
Seriously, don't buy into the BS. I think the reason why everyone thinks there is a delay is because Gamestop/EB never updated their ship date.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=10751415
Wait, why should Microsoft continue to develop for an older platform? God forbid they want to take advantage of the new technology and offerings of Vista in their games like Windows Live. That's like getting mad at Sony for creating a game only for the PS3 and not the PS2 and is about one of the dumbest excuses just to yell at Microsoft.
Besides, Vista is quite an awesome OS. Not only have I had zero problems, but it's faster and more reliable than XP (especially with its advanced caching abilities; I have almost no load time on my favorite games). Don't call it shit especially if you haven't used it.
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I want Halo 2 out as soon as possible too, but don't post links that DON'T back up your claim. Try reading page six of that thread and see what the OP says, then go ahead and try to verify your sources next time.
P.S.: I <3 Vista too.
But what's the fun in that? Then everyone gives up hope and no one fights back!
badasspenguin
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No, it was officially delayed until the 22nd by Microsoft.
If anyone is interested in a review I wrote it up over on Evil Avatar.
Perhaps you choose to believe that, but it's hard to ignore the facts. Vista may be better in many different ways as compared to XP, but ignoring the various driver problems it still has generally poor gaming performance. Hopefully things get ironed out before my next build in another few months.
Heres the thing, Microsoft isn't taking advantage of the new technology and offerings of vista, in this instance. Halo 2 is a directX 9 port of an XBOX game that was released ages ago. A more apt console analogy would be Sony making a game for the PS2, but they only way to play the game is to use the PS2 emulator in the PS3.
Funny you should say that, considering God of War 2 is a PS2 title. Their marquee title targeted - gasp - the bulk of the isntall base instead of catering to a small percent of early adopters for an overpriced and underwhelming new platform.
Great. Pay pal me the $150 for Vista home premium ugrade and I'll be glad to ejoy the bliss that is Vista.
But however great Vista may be, it is still stupid to expect the overwhelming majority of people who are still using XP to spend ~$200 to play Halo 2. I could understand if they moved the game to DX10 and made it a poster child for the graphcis capabilites of DX10 under Vista, but they didn't. There is no technical reason Halo 2 shouldn't run under XP, it was a buisness decision, and I would like to meet the marketing mind that thought selling a product only a few percent of your potential customers can use would be a good idea.
Um, the Windows Live services was developed specifically for Vista to take advantage of the hardware accelerated desktop. They are taking advantage of new features in Vista....
I fail to see how driver issues are MS' fault. Besides, most hardware companies have Vista drivers available for their hardware unless it's very old. I have the Vista 64-bit version of all of my drivers and they work great. My framerates in Half-Life 2, Oblivion, Stalker, etc... have also remained the same since XP.
Nobody said it's Microsoft's fault necessarily, but merely by running Vista you're forced to run Vista video drivers (and the ones available are either terrible or not very good in the performance department). I'm totally fine with older hardware losing support, since thats a fact of moving forward with an operating system, but I'm just saying that for a gaming rig Vista doesn't make sense.
You're kidding yourself if you believe that your framerate is the same, but it doesn't really matter because what you percieve is all that matters in the end. I think everyone is eager to use Vista on a daily basis (provided they're fine with paying for it), but for a gamer I'd strongly urge them to run a dual boot until more solid drivers (perhaps with the release of the HD 2900 series) are available to deliver more solid performance.
Huh? Most of the latest benchmarks show Vista performing close to that of XP in game performance and no I am not kidding myself with my framerate (it's about the same in most games and exactly the same in HL2). It's working about the same for me in terms of performance and games that I play frequently end up intially loading much faster on Vista because of the caching system it has where is caches some of the most used apps into memory.
BladeVenom
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Well you can post me up as someone who would like to play Halo 2 on the PC but can't because I
a) am not spending money on Vista, to play Halo 2 (nor should I have to, really)
and
b) have older Hardware, nowhere near cutting edge, so I really wouldn't benefit performance wise from running a newer OS.
a) am not spending money on Vista, to play Halo 2 (nor should I have to, really)
and
b) have older Hardware, nowhere near cutting edge, so I really wouldn't benefit performance wise from running a newer OS.
Why stop there? He should click through my link earlier and check out all the charts. He can just type into google, "vista gaming performance." Hell, here's a page showing Source engine benchmarks. Those 12x10 benches are kinda misleading though, considering how GPU limited an 8800GTS is at that res.
Also - the comparison was done using only one color of hardware (nVidia), and not with the most recent drivers, so it isn't quite applicable anymore...hopefully, an updated comparison will be done in the "near" future...
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Those Vista benchmarks haven't reflected my own experiences with an 8800GTX.
NFS: Carbon runs like a dog, but I haven't seen much of a drop off with much else. I personally feel that game's a POS anyway. Considering there's only been one patch for it and 1/3 of the owners can't even get that patch to install...that's not good. The whole game was a rush job that someone green lit for quick $'s.
Anyway, other games have held up pretty well for me. I'd say I take no more than a 5-7% framerate hit in most cases.
I typically game at 1680X1050 for reference.
Also noticeably absent from those benchmarks was FEAR, which actually performs better in Vista for some reason.
Anyway, Vista's okay. It's not the end-all be-all, but it's pretty looking and performance is getting better. I bought it at a CompUSA close-out sale and I've been pretty happy with it. It takes a little while to configure, but once it's up and running it's pretty nice.
One thing I will say - the Nvidia drivers that are out for it are a lot more temperamental than their XP brothers. Seems that with every release they fix one thing and break another. I've gotten more crashes with 2 months of Vista than the last 2 years of XP.
Back to the subject at hand, I like Halo 2...but I just don't have the motivation to buy this one. Mouse aiming and higher resolutions are nice, but it's unless you're a fan I'd call this a skipper.
NFS: Carbon runs like a dog, but I haven't seen much of a drop off with much else. I personally feel that game's a POS anyway. Considering there's only been one patch for it and 1/3 of the owners can't even get that patch to install...that's not good. The whole game was a rush job that someone green lit for quick $'s.
Anyway, other games have held up pretty well for me. I'd say I take no more than a 5-7% framerate hit in most cases.
I typically game at 1680X1050 for reference.
Also noticeably absent from those benchmarks was FEAR, which actually performs better in Vista for some reason.
Anyway, Vista's okay. It's not the end-all be-all, but it's pretty looking and performance is getting better. I bought it at a CompUSA close-out sale and I've been pretty happy with it. It takes a little while to configure, but once it's up and running it's pretty nice.
One thing I will say - the Nvidia drivers that are out for it are a lot more temperamental than their XP brothers. Seems that with every release they fix one thing and break another. I've gotten more crashes with 2 months of Vista than the last 2 years of XP.
Back to the subject at hand, I like Halo 2...but I just don't have the motivation to buy this one. Mouse aiming and higher resolutions are nice, but it's unless you're a fan I'd call this a skipper.