Hahahaha. Wow.

[KrakenGuy]

Hahahahahahahaha, oh my god.

I present a funny story.

So I got an X800 XT AIW right. I know for damn sure that the core is cracked cause i've seen the core, its got a huge motherfucking chip in it right. So, I couldn't get it to post on my computer, so I took it back to the place I bought it from, they got it to work. I was like "WTF..." so I tried it on my comp again. Didn't work. So back to the store I went, and amazingly enough, it worked. I didn't get it... So I decided, new motherboard it is.

Turns out my problem was the motherboard... Now, what I don't understand is... How come my Videocard is still operational even though it has a HUGE chunk taken out of the core.

Now my question for you all... Can I still place my GPU block on this card? Or should I not risk it?

 

[Talonz]

If it's got a chip, then I think you have every right to return it for a new one. I would not risk it if you are 100% sure that there is a physical problem with the GPU core.

 

[KrakenGuy]

Hmmm, true. But, they'll know I lifted the heatsink...

 

[Top Nurse]

Hmmm, true. But, they'll know I lifted the heatsink...

So why would they care? That is within your right as a consumer to do what you want with your toys. Tell them it was overheating so you decided to see if they forgot to put TIM on it. How about a pic? Depends where it is on the die and how deep.

 

[KrakenGuy]

The corner is cracked right off, lol.

 

[Top Nurse]

Probably won't make a difference. Can you see any changes in the substrate? Did you do it?

 

[DFI Daishi]

my old 9800pro had a small chip out of the corner of the core, it came that way. not only did the thing work fine and accept first my zalman 80C-HP then my pelt cooler without a problem, it overclocked pretty well at stock voltages.

i think that you might want to take it for a spin and see how it does before you get all that bent out of shape about the chip out of the corner.

the OC's that my shiney, new, x850XT is giving me are a let down in comparison, and it has a core that doesn't have any chips out of it.

 

[KrakenGuy]

No, I did not crack it. Its had the stock heatsink the whole entire time. I didn't find a crack in it until I removed the stock heatsink and found some peices of the core on the thermal crap they used. So I cleaned it, applied new arctic silver 5, and then just put the stock heatsink back on it.

So far it hasn't done anything wrong on my computer yet, i've noticed no difference at all. I'm using it right now, so its working now.

Haven't tried OC'ing the card yet. Don't think I am going to either...

 

[nst6563]

depending on how big the chip is if it will effect anything or not. My old 9600xt had a chip out of 2 corners and it still runs great (in my HTPC). Even oc'd to 655mhz - 155mhz over the stock clock.

If it runs good, and o/c's well (if you're going to o/c it) then I wouldn't worry about it. The next core you get may be perfect in appearences, but may not o/c as well either.

 

[Erasmus354]

So why would they care? That is within your right as a consumer to do what you want with your toys. Tell them it was overheating so you decided to see if they forgot to put TIM on it. How about a pic? Depends where it is on the die and how deep.

Except for the fact that the whole taking off the heatsink voids the warranty part

Do you think that you would get a new car if you took apart the engine block and found something wrong? (assuming you are some regular joe schmoe) You wouldn't, the dealer would say "what the hell did you think you were doing taking this apart?" It is supposed to be up to the store to find the chipped core and deem that it needs to be replaced. not the consumer.

 

[Top Nurse]

Except for the fact that the whole taking off the heatsink voids the warranty part

Do you think that you would get a new car if you took apart the engine block and found something wrong? (assuming you are some regular joe schmoe) You wouldn't, the dealer would say "what the hell did you think you were doing taking this apart?" It is supposed to be up to the store to find the chipped core and deem that it needs to be replaced. not the consumer.

Bullshit Obviously you aren't as big a bitch (figuratively speaking) as me as I don't take no for this kind of nonsense. I would scream bloody murder if some company tried to void my warranty on a part I bought for changing the HSF for something that works better than their solution.

 

[KrakenGuy]

Hahahaha, i'd take a picture for you guys. But out of the 2 digital cameras I have, neither of them have macro, so you'll see a blur.

 

[Top Nurse]

Hahahaha, i'd take a picture for you guys. But out of the 2 digital cameras I have, neither of them have macro, so you'll see a blur.

Send it to me! I will take a pic for you and make sure it works.

 

[plywood99]

my old 9800pro had a small chip out of the corner of the core, it came that way. not only did the thing work fine and accept first my zalman 80C-HP then my pelt cooler without a problem, it overclocked pretty well at stock voltages.

i think that you might want to take it for a spin and see how it does before you get all that bent out of shape about the chip out of the corner.

the OC's that my shiney, new, x850XT is giving me are a let down in comparison, and it has a core that doesn't have any chips out of it.

If you want that baby to fly, take a sharp no2 pencil and rub on and around resistor number 1597 on the backside of your X850. It will mildly increase the volts to the core.

On my X800pro doing that allowed me to go from a max 550core to 620, a nice fat increase for 30 seconds worth of work...

 

[DFI Daishi]

Bullshit Obviously you aren't as big a bitch (figuratively speaking) as me as I don't take no for this kind of nonsense. I would scream bloody murder if some company tried to void my warranty on a part I bought for changing the HSF for something that works better than their solution.

honestly....any store in my area would not take a component that has been messed with in any way back. most stores will not take back a component that they have not installed in-house.

period.

if you want to scream, you can scream. it doesn't make any difference to the clerk who gets paid $7.00 CDN an hour, and gets value of the return deducted from his/her pay-cheque. neither does the manager, who doesn't get paid much better. if you go further, and get abusive, private security will kick the shit out of you, and then dump you off-property.

i honestly wonder about people who bother to complain. they never get anything at a retail store. it's a bit different dealing with a reputable company, over the phone, but most retailers.......they have to go through the same RMA process as an end-user, and get nailed in the same way if anything has been done to the part that voids the warrenty.

 

[DFI Daishi]

If you want that baby to fly, take a sharp no2 pencil and rub on and around resistor number 1597 on the backside of your X850. It will mildly increase the volts to the core.

On my X800pro doing that allowed me to go from a max 550core to 620, a nice fat increase for 30 seconds worth of work...

damn.....that ALMOST sounds worth it......

then again, i can't afford to replace the vid card, if i screw up. hanging at around 555 core doesn't sound TOO bad.......especially since my old card was starting to snow on me.

 

[plywood99]

damn.....that ALMOST sounds worth it......

then again, i can't afford to replace the vid card, if i screw up. hanging at around 555 core doesn't sound TOO bad.......especially since my old card was starting to snow on me.

It is very hard to screw up. Ati cards have built in overvoltage protection which pretty much removes the chance of you frying your card. Iv'e had mine modded for well over a year now with no problems, none whatsoever.

You can also do the memory but it is a little trickier...

 

[Top Nurse]

honestly....any store in my area would not take a component that has been messed with in any way back. most stores will not take back a component that they have not installed in-house.

period.

if you want to scream, you can scream. it doesn't make any difference to the clerk who gets paid $7.00 CDN an hour, and gets value of the return deducted from his/her pay-cheque. neither does the manager, who doesn't get paid much better. if you go further, and get abusive, private security will kick the shit out of you, and then dump you off-property.

I NEVER buy any high tech stuff from retail chains where they have low paid help. I make it a point to either buy direct or from a place that is into high performance computing. They know right up front what I intend to do with it and don't play games if I have a return. I also rarely have to return anything and certainly not because I broke it.

BTW, when I scream bloddy murder it sounds quite nonchalant, it's the subtle innuendoes that convince them that I mean business. Now I am sure Best Buy Geeks would have no problem throwing anyone out the door no matter how good a customer they are, but a small business can't afford to toss one of their better customers out the door over something as silly as what we are talking about here. They would just give me another one and RMA it back to wherever they got it from.

 

[DFI Daishi]

I NEVER buy any high tech stuff from retail chains where they have low paid help. I make it a point to either buy direct or from a place that is into high performance computing. They know right up front what I intend to do with it and don't play games if I have a return. I also rarely have to return anything and certainly not because I broke it.

BTW, when I scream bloddy murder it sounds quite nonchalant, it's the subtle innuendoes that convince them that I mean business. Now I am sure Best Buy Geeks would have no problem throwing anyone out the door no matter how good a customer they are, but a small business can't afford to toss one of their better customers out the door over something as silly as what we are talking about here. They would just give me another one and RMA it back to wherever they got it from.

if it is a retail store, they have low-paid help.

anyone who wants decent pay, is not working retail.

furthermore, there are not any big retailers around here that sell high-end stuff. futureshop still has nvidia 4400MX cards, and the best that they stock are 6200GTs. bestbuy might have something like a 6600, but nothing really up there. at those stores, the employees are shocked that i would consider spending more than $300 CDN on a video card. it's just that far out of their reach. working summers in manufacturing, my hourly wage is twice theirs, if they are a full-time employee.

i am dealing with small shops when i buy locally. they make it VERY clear that they will not take product back under anything other than perfect circumstances. anything that i want to buy is a special-order item for them. that means that if i have a problem that i would have had to void a warrenty to discover, such as overclocking it or using a non-stock cooler, they will not take the part back. i have to deal with the manufacturer.

online shops like tigerdirect or NCIX are a BIT better, but still, they don't really care about one customer, who is not purchasing in bulk for a business. it's about 50-50 getting a warrenty replacement out of them.

i've never really bothered to scream bloody murder at the clerk, because i have been there when others tried, and seen first-hand how much/little it got them.

i don't feel like trying to identify the security guard that clothes-lined me by his watch, or trying to identify who pounded my guts out by the marks that their fists left.

 

[Elimi'Xed]

if it is a retail store, they have low-paid help.

anyone who wants decent pay, is not working retail.

furthermore, there are not any big retailers around here that sell high-end stuff. futureshop still has nvidia 4400MX cards, and the best that they stock are 6200GTs. bestbuy might have something like a 6600, but nothing really up there. at those stores, the employees are shocked that i would consider spending more than $300 CDN on a video card. it's just that far out of their reach. working summers in manufacturing, my hourly wage is twice theirs, if they are a full-time employee.

i am dealing with small shops when i buy locally. they make it VERY clear that they will not take product back under anything other than perfect circumstances. anything that i want to buy is a special-order item for them. that means that if i have a problem that i would have had to void a warrenty to discover, such as overclocking it or using a non-stock cooler, they will not take the part back. i have to deal with the manufacturer.

online shops like tigerdirect or NCIX are a BIT better, but still, they don't really care about one customer, who is not purchasing in bulk for a business. it's about 50-50 getting a warrenty replacement out of them.

i've never really bothered to scream bloody murder at the clerk, because i have been there when others tried, and seen first-hand how much/little it got them.

i don't feel like trying to identify the security guard that clothes-lined me by his watch, or trying to identify who pounded my guts out by the marks that their fists left.

Depends which store you go to, my future shop (the one I love to do "upgrades" with on my Video card thanks to their Protection Plan ) stocks fucking 6800Ultras, x850xt's etc

//Elimi'Xed

 

[DFI Daishi]

Depends which store you go to, my future shop (the one I love to do "upgrades" with on my Video card thanks to their Protection Plan ) stocks fucking 6800Ultras, x850xt's etc

//Elimi'Xed

yep, it really depends on the store. mine has crap, and it would take quite a bit of drivig to get to any other. shipping is usually cheaper.

 

[Bio-Hazard]

yep, it really depends on the store. mine has crap, and it would take quite a bit of drivig to get to any other. shipping is usually cheaper.

I do all my parts ordering online, it's a 60 mile drive oneway to the nearest computer shop from where I live............... And those stores are like Comp USA Best buy and the like...............

 

[Erasmus354]

honestly....any store in my area would not take a component that has been messed with in any way back. most stores will not take back a component that they have not installed in-house.

period.

if you want to scream, you can scream. it doesn't make any difference to the clerk who gets paid $7.00 CDN an hour, and gets value of the return deducted from his/her pay-cheque. neither does the manager, who doesn't get paid much better. if you go further, and get abusive, private security will kick the shit out of you, and then dump you off-property.

i honestly wonder about people who bother to complain. they never get anything at a retail store. it's a bit different dealing with a reputable company, over the phone, but most retailers.......they have to go through the same RMA process as an end-user, and get nailed in the same way if anything has been done to the part that voids the warrenty.

Unless canada is alot closer to ethiopa than some of us may have imagined it is HIGHLY illegal to dock your workers pay from returned items, or even if they happened to accidentally break something while on the job. Now if they broke something you could fire them, or if they burned the whole store down then you could prosecute them...but for a returned item a customer brought in....very very illegal (My father works for the US Dept of Labor).

On a note to TN : A warranty is a warranty is a warranty, that little "warranty void if removed" is not a suggestion, it is a little note from the manufacturer saying "touch this and your on your own kiddo". Some video cards manufaturers have actually stopped the practice of "remove the heatsink and void the warranty" however most still use that afaik.

As for the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" mentality, it does work for most things, except when you are clearly in the wrong, and doing something that is explicitly stated will void your warranty, well that puts you in the wrong. Its like trying to argue with a tree to get it to move out of your way.

 

[DFI Daishi]

Unless canada is alot closer to ethiopa than some of us may have imagined it is HIGHLY illegal to dock your workers pay from returned items, or even if they happened to accidentally break something while on the job. Now if they broke something you could fire them, or if they burned the whole store down then you could prosecute them...but for a returned item a customer brought in....very very illegal (My father works for the US Dept of Labor).

hey, charging a re-stocking fee violates canadian law. most stores do it.

asking for a social insurance number (equivalent to a social security number, i believe) for anything other than an employment contract (not an application, a CONTRACT) violates canadian law. every place that i have ever applied to does it.

bringing workers in for less than a 3 hour shift violates canadian labour laws, and i have worked many such shifts.

failure to pay a worker for a statutory holiday is against canadian law, however i have, once again, experienced this more than a few times.

basically, what i am saying, is that a store in canada will deduct the cost of a failed RMA claim from the worker who accepted the return.

i've worked at a gas bar for a while, and guess what happened to my pay if the till wasn't PERFECTLY balenced. i resigned, once i found a better summer job, however guess how much good my complaint to the ontario labour relations board did......

it's illegal, but it's done anyway. anyone who kicks up a fuss is fired, for some other, but TOTALLY legitimate reason, and that's that. the retailer can almost certainly afford better lawyers than someone who took a minimum wage retail position, if the worker chooses to fight the dismissial.

 

[Top Nurse]

Well I sure am glad that I don't seem to have these kinds of problems and I buy from retailers, wholesalers, and importers. Not because I resale products but because I know where to go and I buy enough that they don't care. I have even gotten products returned that I had already started modding on when I discovered an unforgivable problem. I was just thinking about it, but I can't remember the last time I saw a sticker that said remove this and your screwed that I would use in one of my boxes. Now I have seen that kind of stuff on cheapie PSU's like Enermax, Antec, etc., but then again I would only buy something like that for a friend that didn't want to flip for a good PSU like a PCP&C. It's been a long time since I have gotten anything that didn't come in a static bag with a driver disk except maybe a MB.

 

[Erasmus354]

Well I sure am glad that I don't seem to have these kinds of problems and I buy from retailers, wholesalers, and importers. Not because I resale products but because I know where to go and I buy enough that they don't care. I have even gotten products returned that I had already started modding on when I discovered an unforgivable problem. I was just thinking about it, but I can't remember the last time I saw a sticker that said remove this and your screwed that I would use in one of my boxes. Now I have seen that kind of stuff on cheapie PSU's like Enermax, Antec, etc., but then again I would only buy something like that for a friend that didn't want to flip for a good PSU like a PCP&C. It's been a long time since I have gotten anything that didn't come in a static bag with a driver disk except maybe a MB.

Enermax and Antec actually make pretty good PSU's.....

 

[Talonz]

Now I have seen that kind of stuff on cheapie PSU's like Enermax, Antec, etc., but then again I would only buy something like that for a friend that didn't want to flip for a good PSU like a PCP&C.

Well, Antec and Enermax PSUs are not bad at all. They are as good as most people need. Not all of us have holes in our pockets

 

[Top Nurse]

Just so you guys know...PCP&C makes PSU's that are price competitive with all those other "high quality" supplies as well. Just got a Silencer 410 ATX for $85 for a friend. Very quiet and easily matches supposed 550-600 watt Antec's, Enermax's etc. I think PCP&C has two stickers on it: Their product sticker which shows the serial number along with pertinent information and a little sticker that says Hi-Pot. There are no stickers that say if you open the PSU your warranty is voided.