GTX 460 possibly causing hard system crashes?

[dabomb666]

Hey guys, Need some assistance. I'm exhausted on this topic and out of ideas.

In the past 3 weeks I've been getting these hard crashes. Started with full on system power off and 5 seconds later it boots back up without touching it and then more recently it's been lock ups (with a very harsh, and hair raising audio distortion/crash, like the devil is coming out of my speakers...) and last Friday that type of crash actually crippled my opperating system somehow.

SO, 5 days ago, fresh install of Windows 7, everything up to date, all freshly downloaded, latest drivers, all windows updates done ect ect. I was HOPING that it may have been a software/OS issue so I wasn't actually too bummed about reinstalling(as I have a good setup with a small SSD for my operating system files only, no biggie to reformat and install OS), BUT clearly as I just found out, it wasn't.

My reasoning for assuming it may be the video card is the fact that, although not confirmed 100%, every time it crashed, I was playing a video, and it was about 10seconds to 1 minute into the video. All different sources, youtube, wimp, ect. It just seems too fishy that each crash was during STREAMING of a video.

Second idea was PSU(corsair HX520w, it's a beauty but she's about 5 years old). I'd throw in another video card and run it for a while until i find if it made a difference or not, but.... I'd have to buy a new one, I have no spares available.

Note: when OS crashed and could only load safe mode, I ran memtest for 8 hours with no errors.

(no overclocking done...yet!)
System Specs:
i7 4770k
Asus Z87-Pro mobo
4x8GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24
evga GTX 460 (overclocked in the past system)
Corsair HX520w PSU
Vertex 3 SSD(OS)(firmware updated long ago for that original issue they had)
1TB Seagate(DATA)

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Antec 1200
(... It's not an overheating issue)

 

[defaultluser]

You can buy a cheap video card just for testing cases like this. It won't stress test your PSU, but it will eliminate your card from the chain. Toss it in your closet when you are done - now you have a spare!

If you don't want to commit to buying anything, you can use the oldest trick in the book: go to Best Buy and buy replacements. If they work, you decide if you want to keep them or return them within 15 days and buy replacements online. Their products are not nearly as overprices as they once were, although there is limited selection.

I would be willing to suspect both the GTX 460 and PSU, as they are both about the same age.

 

[FnordMan]

Have you tried removing the video card? Run on integrated for a couple days, see what happens.

 

[ssnyder28]

Have you tried removing the video card? Run on integrated for a couple days, see what happens.

This is definetely what you should try. Why bother buying another card when there is one integrated in your cpu?

 

[dabomb666]

This is definitely what you should try. Why bother buying another card when there is one integrated in your cpu?

I wasn't actually aware there was integrated video. Just slipped my mind as when I think of a nice motherboard I assume it doesn't have garbage onboard video. I'll try that first.

It's a shame about the PSU though, I've only ever heard people going yearssss with corsair's.

I'll start there. Thanks guys.

 

[serious]

It can be a lot of things and you are putting your system under load when you play games. System failure doesn't restart the system unless it is specified on BIOS. In other words, your problem is "your computer shuts down under load."

Components within your computer decays slowly and electric noise (not in terms of sound, but the voltage fluctuation) gets worst and worst. You however won't realize it as your system reminds stable as long as the noise isn't strong enough to affect stability, until it does.

The shut down is unlikely to be caused by video card without a BSoD or a system freeze, which is the result when video card or other components do not behave the way they should. Combine this with fact that your speaker produce a high pitch sound indicate that the electrical noise is out of control within your system.

Chances are the capacitors in your PSU and/or Mobo has reached its time. Do a visual check on the caps on mobo and see there went bad (don't open the PSU!) If there are bad caps, you can choose to buy a new one or replace them (caps are usually no more than 50 cents each). As to the PSU, get a new one as it is likely the source of the noise to begin with.

Note that the noise gets worst when more power drawn from the PSU, meaning that just because the problem appears to go away by removing the video card doesn't mean the problem is the video card, but due to the reduction of power drawn from the PSU.

If it is the video card, you should experience visual artifacts or video driver recoveries. If you have not experience any of that, then your video card is unlikely the source of the problem.

Reminder: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPAIR PSU, IT CAN KILL YOU EVEN WHEN IT IS UNPLUGGED! If you never repair electronics with a soldiering iron before, then don't repair any other parts before you have a strong understanding of how they work first. Unplugged electronics can still hold charges strong enough to stop your heart, and discharging them can be tricky.

 

[dabomb666]

It can be a lot of things and you are putting your system under load when you play games. System failure doesn't restart the system unless it is specified on BIOS. In other words, your problem is "your computer shuts down under load."

Components within your computer decays slowly and electric noise (not in terms of sound, but the voltage fluctuation) gets worst and worst. You however won't realize it as your system reminds stable as long as the noise isn't strong enough to affect stability, until it does.

The shut down is unlikely to be caused by video card without a BSoD or a system freeze, which is the result when video card or other components do not behave the way they should. Combine this with fact that your speaker produce a high pitch sound indicate that the electrical noise is out of control within your system.

Chances are the capacitors in your PSU and/or Mobo has reached its time. Do a visual check on the caps on mobo and see there went bad (don't open the PSU!) If there are bad caps, you can choose to buy a new one or replace them (caps are usually no more than 50 cents each). As to the PSU, get a new one as it is likely the source of the noise to begin with.

Note that the noise gets worst when more power drawn from the PSU, meaning that just because the problem appears to go away by removing the video card doesn't mean the problem is the video card, but due to the reduction of power drawn from the PSU.

If it is the video card, you should experience visual artifacts or video driver recoveries. If you have not experience any of that, then your video card is unlikely the source of the problem.

Reminder: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPAIR PSU, IT CAN KILL YOU EVEN WHEN IT IS UNPLUGGED! If you never repair electronics with a soldiering iron before, then don't repair any other parts before you have a strong understanding of how they work first. Unplugged electronics can still hold charges strong enough to stop your heart, and discharging them can be tricky.

Thanks for the good info. I was leaning towards PSU as it is older and frankly under powered for this recent system build. (Old build was about 4 years old, just a core2duo e6420, same graphics card, p5k delux ect, soft build).

Although it does not freeze under a load. I wouldn't consider a low quality internet video any type of load. I game all the time and it's fine, it actually only crashed once while gaming in the past 3 weeks.

SO I think I'm going to rip on down and grab a new PSU. Pretty confident in it being that as I was told it was underpowered for this build and I probably stressed it too much. I'd hate for it to fully take a crap and take out anything else.

Shouldn't be the mobo as It's 5 months old.

Took the video card out for the time being anyway but I completely see where you're coming from, I've overclocked this video card before and seen what happens when it's screwing off and I've seen other video cards in the days of failure so I'm pretty confident now that it's the PSU. EDIT: now that I think of it, with the graphics card out, it's a decent amount less stress on the PSU, who knows, maybe it won't fail because it's not under as much load. Bad test really.... Oh well. I'll start with a new psu.

Any recommendations for power level for this setup I have? Accounting for a new video card in the future. Too poor for SLI so don't worry about dual cards lol.

 

[Jorona]

GF104 and GF114 based boards (460,560,560ti) seem to have a lot of issues lately with flash video. My wife's PC will occasionally blue screen and restart with newer drivers. She's been on 314 release for quite some time now.

 

[dabomb666]

GF104 and GF114 based boards (460,560,560ti) seem to have a lot of issues lately with flash video. My wife's PC will occasionally blue screen and restart with newer drivers. She's been on 314 release for quite some time now.

Ya that's not the case with my issue, it does a hard "power off" crash. Not one blue screen or anything along those lines yet.

Bought me a Corsair TX850M so I'll let you guys know the results. Hate people that abandon a thread with no solution, everyone in the future searching for that particular issue is left blue balled.

 

[dabomb666]

Well damn. It was going smoothly, I was going to wait 2 more days and report in saying it was fixed but I just had my first "full power off" crash since I installed the new PSU on Friday.

Now I'm kinda pissed. Possibly video card then? Motherboard, CPU, and ram is only 6 months old. Operating system is a week old.

EDIT:

It actually just did it again, 10 mins after posting this first section. but this time it did the lockup. And for some reason the sound loop was a bit different, kinda sounded morse code-ish with fuzz. unlike the other times with the harsh, loud roar of static.

When it crashes this way instead of full power off, it's very dangerous, it's how i lost my OS the first time, this time I got lucky, chkdsk had to run and it saved it this time. Last week I was not so lucky.

I got my hands on a 8800GT and i'll run that for a week and report back. Any other ideas would help guys! Thanks

 

[defaultluser]

Did you try onboard video?

 

[dabomb666]

Did you try onboard video?

Yes but only for a day, with how random the crashes are I cannot confirm or deny that it made a difference. I'm on the 8800GT for 3 hours now with no issues so far.

Guys, What are the odds that my Corsair HX 520W psu caused damage to this gtx460? I was doing some searching and came across multiple cases of a similar situation. Now, I ran a p5k delux, c2d e6420 and 4gb of ram and 2 hard drives WITH this gtx460 for a couple years with no issues, but I've only had this new setup(i7 4770k, z87-pro, 16gb G.skill ram, 2 hard drives, gtx460) for a couple months really and maybe it was just on the verge of being underpowered? Or maybe it was stressing the 520w psu to the point where it's efficiency was diminishing, leading to underpowering the gtx460 and damaging it?


Thoughts? In that case, it looks like im SOL and would need to buy a new video card.

 

[mindbomb]

You have to make sure you are using the latest drivers. 2d rendering can make them crash with old drivers.

 

[dabomb666]

Honestly, when I think about when I last updated, it could have been damn close to when these issues started. My memory sucks though so I can't say for sure.

 

[dabomb666]

Unbelievable. Starting to lose my shit here. No problems all yesterday on the 8800GT but today within the first 10 minutes of firing it up, it locked up while watching facebook video.

Starting to really wonder about the drivers being the culprit. Screw the latest drivers. I just don't know how far back I can go/need to go.

 

[serious]

Sorry for the late reply.

Lockup/freeze is different from restart and both can damage data on drives.

Did you do a factory reset on the mobo BIOS? Did you forget that you have changed the CPU voltage?

Yes, a faulty PSU can kill anything that connects to it, but you already tried 2 video cards plus the integrated GPU and the lock up still occurs, meaning that the source is not on the GTX 460 you have. I guess you didn't check the CAPs on mobo because the mobo is new, but take a look at it as it doesn't take that much time and the chance for your PSU to kill your video card is lower than it to kill your mobo. Again, if the video card is damaged, then you will likely see artifacts.

If you didn't OC, then the problem now is likely to be software as the system don't shutdown under load. Before anything else, please back up. Make 2-3 backups in case 1-2 backup fails to restore.

Yes, drivers can be an issue as both freeze and shutdown can cause corruption to data on the drives. Chkdsk does not restore data, but restore the pointer to data. You should look up "DISM" and "SFC" to repair your OS. As to drivers, you may need to do clean installs.

Note that if DISM fails, then reinstalling your OS is the quickest way to restore the OS.

 

[Jorona]

Have you tried rolling back to the 314 series drivers?

 

[dabomb666]

Have you tried rolling back to the 314 series drivers?

I did that this morning after refreshing this thread and so far so good but I won't know for a couple days if it's a sure thing. I did a proper full clean and reinstall. And if it is a sure thing, what do I do to fully fix it? Wait for the next nvidia driver update and try it at that point but until then just use 314.22?

Sorry for the late reply.

Lockup/freeze is different from restart and both can damage data on drives.

Did you do a factory reset on the mobo BIOS? Did you forget that you have changed the CPU voltage?

Yes, a faulty PSU can kill anything that connects to it, but you already tried 2 video cards plus the integrated GPU and the lock up still occurs, meaning that the source is not on the GTX 460 you have. I guess you didn't check the CAPs on mobo because the mobo is new, but take a look at it as it doesn't take that much time and the chance for your PSU to kill your video card is lower than it to kill your mobo. Again, if the video card is damaged, then you will likely see artifacts.

If you didn't OC, then the problem now is likely to be software as the system don't shutdown under load. Before anything else, please back up. Make 2-3 backups in case 1-2 backup fails to restore.

Yes, drivers can be an issue as both freeze and shutdown can cause corruption to data on the drives. Chkdsk does not restore data, but restore the pointer to data. You should look up "DISM" and "SFC" to repair your OS. As to drivers, you may need to do clean installs.

Note that if DISM fails, then reinstalling your OS is the quickest way to restore the OS.

No OC'ing on this build yet. Not worried about backups, my main drive only has a temporary downloads folder basically so if she fails again i'll just be reinstalling. Just hoping it doesn't. I just took a look at the mobo and I don't see any bad caps so all is good there, as I imagined.


So GTX460 is back in and I'm on 314.22 driver after a clean uninstall and reinstall of the video drivers. We'll see what happens. Pretty sloppy for nvidia if it's their fault. They'll be hearing from me in that case.

 

[mindbomb]

314 is the problem driver in which fermi graphics cards crash from 2d. you can't go back past 331.93 beta.

 

[dabomb666]

314 is the problem driver in which fermi graphics cards crash from 2d. you can't go back past 331.93 beta.

To me that doesn't make sense, I'm just confused though and don't know anything about drivers or whatever fermi is.

Either way, She LOCKED UP this morning again as soon as I started a facebook video. FFS.

Tried looking up 331.93 beta and it's only for GTX 460 "M" (mobile). So I'm not going to use it. Any idea which one similar to that is for my card?

Just for shits, I uninstalled flash and I'll leave it off for a couple days. Would it actually make a difference you think or would flash objects on sites still have an effect even having no flash player?

 

[dabomb666]

Well as I was typing this up, it hard crashed and restarted....... Guna lose it. Installed 334.89. Obviously worse as the earlier one didn't hard crash, just locked up.

I'm going to go back to 296.10 like a bunch of people had to do in 2010 as my research showed. Long shot but I'm basically losing my mind over some stupid issue that no one can help with.

Halp.

 

[serious]

To me that doesn't make sense, I'm just confused though and don't know anything about drivers or whatever fermi is.

Either way, She LOCKED UP this morning again as soon as I started a facebook video. FFS.

Tried looking up 331.93 beta and it's only for GTX 460 "M" (mobile). So I'm not going to use it. Any idea which one similar to that is for my card?

Many people with 400 series (aka Fermi) video cards experience TDR (Timeout Detection & Recovery) problem. Older OS (XP) simply hangs with TDR occurs and newer OS (7/8) will crash back to desktop. Nerds found that the problem goes away when they modify the timeout timer and thus Nvidia forum has a thread about it.

Again, this isn't your issue as you have tried 2 video cards (GTX460 and 8800GT) as well as the iGPU and your system still locks up. More over, everything was working fine for a few months before this mayhem occurs, meaning that it isn't likely to be driver compatibility issue.

The fact that you have experienced multiple shut down and lock up as well as the fact that chkdsk told you it has fixed something, which indicated some data may have been damaged. If it crashes from vids on FB, try to uninstall adobe flash player and reinstall it again.

Sorry there are no quick fix to data related issues as it can be OS, drivers, programs and/or application data. You can however do stress tests on your computer to ensure hardware stability before you nuke the OS.

Suggested Stress Tester:
Memtest86+ (focus on RAM. Run it overnight, no error means good, any error means you have one or more bad RAM or bad mobo.)

Prime95 (Focus on CPU/RAM, if it survives for 2 hours without errors, hang, shutdown, bsod or simply burn in flames, then it is fine. Otherwise, you may have a bad mobo or BIOS settings.)

Furmark (Focus GPU, if it survives 2 passes, then it should be fine. Otherwise you should post back for analysis as it can be many things.)

If these tests pass, rebuild the partition on the drive and reinstall OS.

 

[serious]

Well as I was typing this up, it hard crashed and restarted....... Guna lose it. Installed 334.89. Obviously worse as the earlier one didn't hard crash, just locked up.

I'm going to go back to 296.10 like a bunch of people had to do in 2010 as my research showed. Long shot but I'm basically losing my mind over some stupid issue that no one can help with.

Halp.

For your information, i am trying my best to assist you as I understand how painful it is not knowing WTF is going on with that piece of crap, especially after unloading cash on new parts. Having said that, if you are capable of fixing this mess, then you have leveled up.

Again, restart is a setting, it can have different causes. One is the OS can't restore itself and thus restart (it can happen when TDR fails to recover). The other is BIOS recovers itself from a hardware level failure. If the computer freezes first then restart, then it is a likely to be a OS restart. If it suddenly goes dark and then restart, then it is likely to be a BIOS restart.

Clean install the latest driver from nvidia, and then try to follow the steps in my previous post and see if there is a hardware issue.

Keep in mind that I am still working with you bro/sis.

 

[Jorona]

Yeah, at this point I'm going to agree with serious, it's not the video card. I was only drumming the drivers because I've experienced the issue with the GF104/114 silicon with newer drivers.

Do you have a multimeter?

 

[mindbomb]

Alright, I'm just gonna suggest you switch browsers to chrome along with use the latest nvidia drivers.

 

[dabomb666]

For your information, i am trying my best to assist you as I understand how painful it is not knowing WTF is going on with that piece of crap, especially after unloading cash on new parts. Having said that, if you are capable of fixing this mess, then you have leveled up.

Again, restart is a setting, it can have different causes. One is the OS can't restore itself and thus restart (it can happen when TDR fails to recover). The other is BIOS recovers itself from a hardware level failure. If the computer freezes first then restart, then it is a likely to be a OS restart. If it suddenly goes dark and then restart, then it is likely to be a BIOS restart.

Clean install the latest driver from nvidia, and then try to follow the steps in my previous post and see if there is a hardware issue.

Keep in mind that I am still working with you bro/sis.

Sorry dude, Not sure where you got negativity from my post but in no way was I aiming anything at you guys, it's just me ranting because i'm losing my mind lol. I greatly appreciate your help!

This restart is neither of what you mentioned; i'll be browsing in firefox then boom, whole computer goes dead like someone pulled the plug on me.(then in 5 seconds, it starts itself back up, and gives me the ol "windows was shutdown improperly, Safemode or no?). I literally thought there was a wiring issue with my house after the first couple times. The only other "crash/failure" I have is it locks up, video stays at what I was just seeing(no black screen/no artifacts) and clock, mouse, everything freezes solid. Sound loops in a horrible static sound. I muted it and let it sit for 10 minutes wondering maybe it would eventually bsod and I'd have something to work with, but nope.

So it was doing all of what I've said before and after a fresh install of W7. (One of the lock up style failures caused something to be corrupt and I had to reinstall)

Do you have a multimeter?

Yes I do. Let me know what you're thinking and I'll do it after I stress test all the hardware via software, like serious said.




Current state: Flash player is uninstalled, I'm still just sitting on driver 334.89 just because I don't want to mess with anything until I rule out the Flash player.
Weird thing... I can still watch youtube videos, but nothing else(no wimp/facebook/ad's and Flash pluggins). Is this a problem? Am i still having Flash items being ran, thus destroying my attempt to rule out Flash being the cause?

 

[unusualfire]

What does your event viewer say? My problem ended up being my memory even though it passed the memory test. Try running memory at a lower rating.

 

[mindbomb]

if the crashing is what I think it is, you can do one of 3 things to fix it:
1.use nvidia drivers 331.93 or newer
2. disable hardware acceleration in firefox
3. use chrome instead of firefox

 

[nk215]

I would boot into BIOS setup, go into HW health and watch CPU temperature in there. Leave the computer in BIOS setup mode for a while and see if the temperature is stable.

 

[serious]

Current state: Flash player is uninstalled, I'm still just sitting on driver 334.89 just because I don't want to mess with anything until I rule out the Flash player.
Weird thing... I can still watch youtube videos, but nothing else(no wimp/facebook/ad's and Flash pluggins). Is this a problem? Am i still having Flash items being ran, thus destroying my attempt to rule out Flash being the cause?

Youtube uses HTML5 or Flash to play video, when Flash is missing, it automatically switches to HTML5.

Based on what you said, it still sounded like a wild Vdroop, which is again, a problem on PSU, Mobo and/or BIOS setting.

It seems you reinstalled OS before hardware stress tests and still haven't do a BIOS reset. Please do a BIOS reset first (unplug power, spam the power on button a few times, removing the battery on mobo, and spam the power on button a few times, put the battery back, plug power back and boot.)

See if the problem goes away, if not, do hardware tests.

nk215 has a point, you may want to install CPU-z to monitor CPU temps and your video card manufacturer should have a GPU monitor program too. Use them and see if temps are abnormal. After that, run CCleaner to clean up the registry. Rolling back video card driver is never a good idea as devs really didn't consider rollback install and usually leave things behind that cause problems. If you did install a driver older than the one that was on the OS, then you will need to use "Driver Sweeper" in safe mode followed by a CCleaner run to ensure that everything is gone before booting back in normal. (or simply reinstall windows again WITH A NEW PARTITION as this is the quickest way to eliminate all software/data related issues.)

Again, the order is
1.Reset BIOS.
2.Hardware test:
2a. RAM test.
2b. CPU test.
2c. GPU test.
3.Reinstall OS or try to fix it.

Note that browsers like to roll out stealth patches that break things so if Firefox doesn't work, try Chrome/IE.

 

[sbudbud]

I was having a similar problem but I got annoyed and just sold the card as is

 

[dabomb666]

Youtube uses HTML5 or Flash to play video, when Flash is missing, it automatically switches to HTML5.

Based on what you said, it still sounded like a wild Vdroop, which is again, a problem on PSU, Mobo and/or BIOS setting.

It seems you reinstalled OS before hardware stress tests and still haven't do a BIOS reset. Please do a BIOS reset first (unplug power, spam the power on button a few times, removing the battery on mobo, and spam the power on button a few times, put the battery back, plug power back and boot.)

See if the problem goes away, if not, do hardware tests.

nk215 has a point, you may want to install CPU-z to monitor CPU temps and your video card manufacturer should have a GPU monitor program too. Use them and see if temps are abnormal. After that, run CCleaner to clean up the registry. Rolling back video card driver is never a good idea as devs really didn't consider rollback install and usually leave things behind that cause problems. If you did install a driver older than the one that was on the OS, then you will need to use "Driver Sweeper" in safe mode followed by a CCleaner run to ensure that everything is gone before booting back in normal. (or simply reinstall windows again WITH A NEW PARTITION as this is the quickest way to eliminate all software/data related issues.)

Again, the order is
1.Reset BIOS.
2.Hardware test:
2a. RAM test.
2b. CPU test.
2c. GPU test.
3.Reinstall OS or try to fix it.

Note that browsers like to roll out stealth patches that break things so if Firefox doesn't work, try Chrome/IE.

I reset the BIOS last night and then ran Memtest86 from a USB for 6hours and 17mins to complete the full test with no errors.

I just ran the latest Furmark with settings upped a bit for 15 mins and it would not exceed 86C and did not crash or even skip a beat.


Just ran Prime95 for 45 mins and its stable, no errors and temps were as follows:

I guess before I reset the bios, I had performance turned on. I turned it back on and boy does intel like to raise voltage. 4.1 @ 1.287v with Asus board BIOS ramping that baby up. Hasn't gone above 87C yet after 10 mins. But I presume it'll push to 100 like it did yesterday.
Edit: Sure enough, after 23 minutes it shot up very high. Voltage stayed the same, I guess it was just p95 going hard.


Regardless, this isn't my issue. I'll deal with overclocking manually at a lower voltage after I fix this issue. But it seems my hardware is all stable.

I'll start with the other things you mentioned to do. But so far, today no crashes at all. This is with Flash uninstalled still.

 

[Jorona]

I know my friends 4770K will start having issues at about 88c with random programs crashing and such. You're beating that by a fair bit.

As to the multimeter, I kinda wanna see what your 12v rail is doing just before the shutdown reset. I know Asus antisurge used to really mess with some people. You can shut that off in bios.

 

[serious]

...
guess before I reset the bios, I had performance turned on. I turned it back on and boy does intel like to raise voltage.
...
Edit: Sure enough, after 23 minutes it shot up very high. Voltage stayed the same, I guess it was just p95 going hard.

Regardless, this isn't my issue. I'll deal with overclocking manually at a lower voltage after I fix this issue. But it seems my hardware is all stable.

I'll start with the other things you mentioned to do. But so far, today no crashes at all. This is with Flash uninstalled still.

With a 520watt PSU, you really shouldn't overclock, plus the fact that you still don't know if it is the "performance on" that is causing problems (high temps is one thing, current fluctuation is another) . I suggest you to disable "performance", run CCleaner, reinstall flash and see if problem still occurs. Not installing flash isn't an option, and you really don't want to go disable hardware acceleration left and right.

Note that you are getting yourself in hell attempting to OC an unstable computer.

Question: Why don't you simply play your favorite games for a few hours and see if it is stable?

 

[dabomb666]

With a 520watt PSU, you really shouldn't overclock, plus the fact that you still don't know if it is the "performance on" that is causing problems (high temps is one thing, current fluctuation is another) . I suggest you to disable "performance", run CCleaner, reinstall flash and see if problem still occurs. Not installing flash isn't an option, and you really don't want to go disable hardware acceleration left and right.

Note that you are getting yourself in hell attempting to OC an unstable computer.

Question: Why don't you simply play your favorite games for a few hours and see if it is stable?

Ok now I may sound like a bit of a prick; you're not reading my posts.

-First of all, I installed a bran new Corsair TX850 several days ago.
-Performance IS on, and has been since I assembled this build, I don't imagine it's my issue. I explained the before and after, even gave nice screen shots for you. When i first got the system, I must have gone Ooh performance mode; ON, and forgotten, so that explains the difference in temps during p95 testing AFTER I reset the bios, like you said. What I've learned is it's always a good idea to get a baseline of current setup before resetting things that the settings of which are unknown. Basically this is all irrelevant though as at this point it's known to be software.
-Pretty sure I mentioned early in the thread I can game on it all day no problem then randomly it will take a shit. Just like I can browse for hours then randomly it'll crash. Keep in mind, I multitask like crazy, including lots of videos, so firefox is basically always open, including when gaming, thus causing the crash while gaming. It's 100% irrelevant of load with this issue, not to mention I torture tested all of my components at this point.
-I already said I wasn't continuing to overclock, I specifically said I'd leave that for another time when I fix this issue. It was just me going off on a tangent when fiddling with things.
-And I will not be running CCleaner registry cleanup, it has screwed up my system in the past as well as it's known to do that so that's not a good suggestion to people. I went and manually deleted the registry entries for the video drivers and Flash when doing a clean removal.

I don't know if some of you guys think I'm retarded but if you read what I'm saying, I'm ahead of your input at times. I really don't mean to be a dick but we're going in loops here boys.

It's some kind of conflict with Flash player and something else. I'm going to continue to leave it uninstalled for 2 or 3 more days and CONFIRM that it's Flash.

 

[serious]

Ok now I may sound like a bit of a prick; you're not reading my posts.

-First of all, I installed a bran new Corsair TX850 several days ago.
-Performance IS on, and has been since I assembled this build, I don't imagine it's my issue. I explained the before and after, even gave nice screen shots for you. When i first got the system, I must have gone Ooh performance mode; ON, and forgotten, so that explains the difference in temps during p95 testing AFTER I reset the bios, like you said. What I've learned is it's always a good idea to get a baseline of current setup before resetting things that the settings of which are unknown. Basically this is all irrelevant though as at this point it's known to be software.
-Pretty sure I mentioned early in the thread I can game on it all day no problem then randomly it will take a shit. Just like I can browse for hours then randomly it'll crash. Keep in mind, I multitask like crazy, including lots of videos, so firefox is basically always open, including when gaming, thus causing the crash while gaming. It's 100% irrelevant of load with this issue, not to mention I torture tested all of my components at this point.
-I already said I wasn't continuing to overclock, I specifically said I'd leave that for another time when I fix this issue. It was just me going off on a tangent when fiddling with things.
-And I will not be running CCleaner registry cleanup, it has screwed up my system in the past as well as it's known to do that so that's not a good suggestion to people. I went and manually deleted the registry entries for the video drivers and Flash when doing a clean removal.

I don't know if some of you guys think I'm retarded but if you read what I'm saying, I'm ahead of your input at times. I really don't mean to be a dick but we're going in loops here boys.

It's some kind of conflict with Flash player and something else. I'm going to continue to leave it uninstalled for 2 or 3 more days and CONFIRM that it's Flash.

Lets sum it up, you said I didn't read your post carefully, you didn't overclock, didn't change any BIOS settings, has turn performance mode on on your ASUS motherboard, the instability has nothing to do with load and you don't believe it can cause issues where CCleaner screw up systems and I should not suggest people to use it. Right?

Please google "ASUS performance mode" and see what it is. There is a difference between load and stress, "load" means you are simply doing something with the system, and "stress" is to run software like prime95. As to CCleaner, I have had used it on windows XP, 2003, Vista, 7, 2012 and 8 machines. Yes, from personal computers to servers and it will only cause problems on computers with a corrupted registry to begin with. In fact, it actually tells user to backup registry before changes and allow user to restore it shall things go bad. It won't speed up the computer much but it can fix stability issues related to software and driver foot prints. It is your call if you don't want to use it. As to why I suggest people to use it, it is free and does fix problems.

Yes, it was my mistake thinking that your new PSU is only 520 watt.

One more note, with that attitude, good luck on getting help. Do a little research first and then look at your own post.

 

[dabomb666]

Again telling me shit I already know, like I'm some toddler. Performance mode isn't the issue. It's been running with it from day one. I'm pretty well fine without ya bud. Thanks for nothing. Hope you're not in the IT world with your approach to assisting, or the people you help wouldn't be calling you again.

Hasn't crashed since I uninstalled Flash. I'll figure it out from here. You're know it all attitude is no longer needed anymore.

 

[SBSuperfly]

don't overlook the SSD

 

[dabomb666]

don't overlook the SSD

I'll check into it and run some tests.


So far though, I have confirmed it's Flash player. It won't crash with it uninstalled. I just don't know what it's conflicting with. I've tried different combinations of older flash/newer nvidia driver, older nvidia driver/older flash, ect. But I can't figure out what the F is causing the issue.

 

[dabomb666]

So I'm still having this problem. I'm still messing around with drivers and stuff since I posted this and have had no luck. Still without flash. Now all the sudden the other day, Silverlight VIA Netflix caused me to crash. What's weird was I was watching netflix earlier that day and ever since, it's been giving me that same hard reboot crash or full lockup with haggard sound looping.

15 bucks via paypal to whoever helps me solve this with any sort of tips! Please I'm out of luck! A computer store told me they wouldn't even look at it, it's too much work to diagnose it.


Also, there's no way of testing a ocz vertex 3.