AMD needs to put out superior products at better prices, over an extended period of time to erase consumer perceptions of "AMD unreliability"
Bingo. It's ponderous how many entrenched AMD zealots don't understand this basic premise.
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AMD needs to put out superior products at better prices, over an extended period of time to erase consumer perceptions of "AMD unreliability"
NV fans need to get their game together and stop buying overpriced products so that NV will start to lower prices. Man this is getting crazy.
See what I did there?
I would guess he comparing to the average price of a gpu where it sits $400-$500 and where Nvidia has drasticaly increased into the $1000 range. I start skipping generations at these prices.
AMD needs to put out superior products at better prices, over an extended period of time to erase consumer perceptions of "AMD unreliability"
What "AMD unreliability" are you referring to? I don't recall AMD having any reliability issues. The 290X was noisy, but it wasn't unreliable. I do recall Nvidia's Bumpgate which resulted in over $300,000,000 worth of recalls. THAT was the epitome of unreliability. Ummmm.... Oh yes, now we have EVGA 1070/1080 cards catching fire. I guess fire can make a card unreliable as well.
We primarily use Asus DirectCU cards whenever possible, and the basic Asus models when there are not DirectCU versions available. It is possible that the high failure rates are limited to Asus cards, but we have used Asus as our primary supplier for video cards for a long time now.
Dude, you're obviously trying too hard.
So one boutique vendor has reports that their AMD cards have a higher failure rate than their Nvidia cards. That's hardly a convincing argument. Especially given that they say this:
There were issues with the DirectCU cooling which could easily account for the some of the higher return rate. Also, during that time period, AMD cards were being purchased by the pallet for mining purposes. Those cards were run full speed, 24/7 in bitcoin mining farms. Gaming video cards weren't designed with that kind of constant load in mind. Is it any wonder that AMD had higher failure rates during those years?
As for Bumpgate, IIRC that $2,000,000 was simply set aside for the class action lawsuit. Nvidia had to fork out over $300,000,000 for replacement of all the failed laptops prior to that.
Why would they, when AMD's products aren't leaders, even in the price/performance section? You can't ask folks to buy products that aren't good value for their dollar simply because of "ideals". And NVIDIA has almost all the market segments tied up. It's why so many of us (including myself) are hoping that Vega will be like the 7970 was -- namely, a front-runner (even if only for a short amount of time). Being well-priced compared to NVIDIA's offerings is practically a given, at this stage of the game. NVIDIA holds practically all the cards.
Look at it this way: I'm currently running a custom GTX 980 Ti (actually, one of the best custom clocked GTX 980 Ti's out there). It's easily comparable in performance to a GTX 1070. Why would I want to get Vega, if I can easily match it? That would be a waste of money (and I don't have a FreeSync monitor).
The weaknesses (both real and perceived) of AMD are what leads us to have these sorts of discussions. If AMD wasn't in a major pitfall of it's own making (the R&D cuts to the graphics division several years ago), we wouldn't be talking.
As it stands, AMD needs to have wins both with Vega and with Zen, and they need to be strong enough to stir up the market, and get them a lot more market share than they have now.
I agree with this. After my very recent GPU hunt this AMD fan went Nvidia. Why? Because I got a Zotac Amp Extreme 980 Ti for $300...I couldn't even find a Fury X for less than $350 and everyone else wanted $250+ for their Furys or Fury Nanos.
So yeah, Nvidia is actually the best performance/price king now.
You didn't cite a single link yet that supports what you have to say.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...0-direct-cu-ii-oc-review-1600p-ultra-hd-4k/2/It has been brought to our attention by several readers that ASUS have transplanted this specific Direct CU II cooler from their GTX780 range of hardware. Asus have not confirmed this, however we can see by the thermal paste footprint in the images that while there are five direct touch copper heatpipes, only 3 of them are making direct contact with the AMD R9 GPU core. That said, the outer two heatpipes will be working a little via heat transference with the others.
In addition, you selectively left out the rest of what Puget Systems had to say about ASUS. For convenience's sake, I will put it down below:
"We've received some questions about what brands and models of card we used. We primarily use Asus DirectCU cards whenever possible, and the basic Asus models when there are not DirectCU versions available. It is possible that the high failure rates are limited to Asus cards, but we have used Asus as our primary supplier for video cards for a long time now. This includes NVIDIA cards as well as the Radeon HD 7xxx and Radeon HD 6xxx cards which have a much lower failure rate than the Radeon R7/R9 cards. This is a clear indication to us that Asus is not the problem, but rather something fundamental to the R7/R9 cards themselves." (highlights are mine)
Also, gee, Bumpgate didn't really put too much of a dent into NVIDIA's revenue stream (long term), for all that NVIDIA were crapping on the affected users (yes, NVIDIA's response was bull$hit). Otherwise there wouldn't be this:
http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/11/15/what-nvidias-blowout-quarter-says-about-amds-comeb.aspx
http://www.gurufocus.com/news/458543/why-nvidia-is-still-better-than-advanced-micro-devices
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nvidia-profit-more-than-doubles-as-revenue-tops-guidance-1478815878
AMD needs to put out superior products at better prices, over an extended period of time to erase consumer perceptions of "AMD unreliability"
Dude, people aren't going to spend the same amount or more on an AMD GPU that can't compete with an Nvidia GPU. You want people to buy a lesser product? That's not how this all works. Nvidia makes a high performance product at a price we are willing to pay. AMD does not.
Simple as that. PC gamers will buy the best card at the best price. Period. There are a few brand loyalists out there, but most don't give a shit. AMD has just been shit lately.
Dude, people aren't going to spend the same amount or more on an AMD GPU that can't compete with an Nvidia GPU. You want people to buy a lesser product? That's not how this all works. Nvidia makes a high performance product at a price we are willing to pay. AMD does not.
Simple as that. PC gamers will buy the best card at the best price. Period. There are a few brand loyalists out there, but most don't give a shit. AMD has just been shit lately.
We tested both video cards in their out-of-box default performance against each other and then overclocked both of them and compared against each other. We tested in DX12 games, DX11 games and Vulkan. The results were very close in all regards. In fact, we were shocked as just how close both of these are and the gameplay experience delivered. For all intents and purposes the gameplay experience was "the same" between the video cards when we compare the best IQ settings we could game with at a given resolution.
The overall final conclusion in terms of performance is that both video cards are neck and neck, providing equivalent desktop gameplay experiences. What is going to then be the primary factors when choosing one over the other is going to come down to price, manufacturer and brand, and the highest overclock you can achieve.
You can lie all you like, but the reviews show the 8GB RX480 to be the equal of the 6GB GTX1060. Let's see.... Quiet, 2GB more VRAM and less expensive.... Hmmmm.... Yeah, that's a tough one.Well we have to count on the wingnuts with enough irrational hate for Nvidia to buy the over-priced and underperforming hot and noisy red cards. God bless them.
Any reason to upgrade over my 980 Ti? I get great frames in every game at 1440p. I think I'll keep my money in my wallet if it's seriously going to cost so much, and depreciate immediately at 70$ a month.
This may as well readI always get a kick out of the people who want the latest/greatest/best... but don't want to pay for it.
We live in a free market country, you gotta learn to deal with it plain and simple.
That's like me complaining that I can't afford that Lamborghini Aventador that I've wanted for years and years. It's a top tier car that performs like no other, if they were priced like a ford focus, do you still think it would be any good?
The Pascal line offers incredible value in pretty much ANY slot from the 1050 all the way up. Pick up what you can afford and enjoy, and enjoy life man.
Nvidia isn't a chairty, they are doing what any one of us would do in that situation, sell it for what people will pay. You spend billions of dollars and years of R&D on arguably the best GPU in the world... it's stupid to expect they will just give it away. Compounding the problem are the people that think $1 will always be $1 i value. Many here remember buying top end GPUs' 10 or 15 years ago for $300? which was a ton back then for such a thing. an average of 3% inflation per year over 15 years certainly changes things as well.