GPU prices — is the worst behind us ?

littlegreenmenfromhome said:
So are NVIDIA releasing a lot of consumer GB203-400-A1/GB203-450-A! dies nor not?

And just because a FEW engineering samples was shipped is not the same a luanch level dies.

So who are "simplistic"?
Me, saying this will not happen anytime soon and a handfull of sample dies does not constitute a luanch preperation.
Or you sayingall the dies are ready, but something is blocking the launch.

If I am so simplistic, tell me how many dies have been shpped to partner, beacuse once again (a common pattern in the this) a lot of personal views are being posted, despite the facts being something else.
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I explained it already, it is just the 3GB per chip density that is holding them back from a launch. They have the board designs already, GPU dies were produced, but just the chip scarcity of 3GB per chip having extremely high demand right now. The minimum amount per order required to essentially "get in line" is very high for high speed VRAM and Nvidia decoupled from providing the chips bundled with the GPU die sales. GPU board partners are therefore dealing with scarcity from these changes in the business arrangement and competing with Nvidia directly on VRAM purchasing.
 
DaedalusHelios said:
I explained it already, it is just the 3GB per chip density that is holding them back from a launch. They have the board designs already, GPU dies were produced, but just the chip scarcity of 3GB per chip having extremely high demand right now. The minimum amount per order required to essentially "get in line" is very high for high speed VRAM and Nvidia decoupled from providing the chips bundled with the GPU die sales. GPU board partners are therefore dealing with scarcity from these changes in the business arrangement and competing with Nvidia directly on VRAM purchasing.
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So how many dies shipped to board partners?
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
So how many dies shipped to board partners?
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Board partners were not worried about GPU die availability, just VRAM at 3GB chip density. Nvidia has the GPU dies available irregardless of how many were ordered so far. I hope not too many were ordered yet given they are unsure when they can get enough of that density VRAM to actually do a launch. GamersNexus and other sites were reporting on it. This is known by many, and now you know it too.
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DaedalusHelios said:
Board partners were not worried about GPU die availability, just VRAM at 3GB chip density. Nvidia has the GPU dies available irregardless of how many were ordered so far. I hope not too many were ordered yet given they are unsure when they can get enough of that density VRAM to actually do a launch. GamersNexus and other sites were reporting on it. This is known by many, and now you know it too.
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So you have no clue how many dies went our rigth?

The thread is full of false claims:
"AMD marketshare went up" = Stayed flat at 8 for almost 2 years.
"AMD foucsed on on AI not consumers" = AMD has 4% of of that market.
"NVIDIA should sell consumer dies, they are just stallng = No clue about the number of alleged dies just sitting wasting $$$
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
So you have no clue how many dies went our rigth?

The thread is full of false claims:
"AMD marketshare went up" = Stayed flat at 8 for almost 2 years.
"AMD foucsed on on AI not consumers" = AMD has 4% of of that market.
"NVIDIA should sell consumer dies, they are just stallng = No clue about the number of alleged dies just sitting wasting $$$
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You have entered the straw man phase apparently. I made none of those claims. Under your own claims it takes massive time to produce GPU dies in a manufacturing run. If scarcity of 3GB chips happens after your production run and you end up not being able to finish a product(completed product on the market) on that design because the 3GB density chips get used on more increased revenue generating products.

It does not matter how many GPU dies are delivered if you can't get supply of the correct density of VRAM. You can get GPU dies from Nvidia. The issue is not the GPU die supply. The chief complaint is that Nvidia stopped offering VRAM bundled with the GPU die. It is really simple and you keep pretending to not understand. I wish Nvidia would bundle VRAM again and sell it with it so we can have a RTX 5080 Super to fill the market gap. Without Nvidia doing that, we will never get the RTX 5080 Super as far as I know.

But the AI race is eating the VRAM supply our dGPUs need(especially 3GB for high density VRAM designs). Unfortunately, the big memory producers(Samsung, Micron, and SK Hynix) are not building up to create enough VRAM to meet the need. They might know something on the horizon that we do not as to why.

Some say a constricted supply creates more demand and it allows for a maximum market price to sell for datacenter products. It is probably a combination of factors as it always has been in production environments that I have been in over the years.
 
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DaedalusHelios said:
You have entered the straw man phase apparently. I made none of those claims. Under your own claims it takes massive time to produce GPU dies in a manufacturing run. If scarcity of 3GB chips happens after your production run and you end up not being able to finish a product(completed product on the market) on that design because the 3GB density chips get used on more increased revenue generating products.

It does not matter how many GPU dies are delivered if you can't get supply of the correct density of VRAM. You can get GPU dies from Nvidia. The issue is not the GPU die supply. The chief complaint is that Nvidia stopped offering VRAM bundled with the GPU die. It is really simple and you keep pretending to not understand. I wish Nvidia would bundle VRAM again and sell it with it so we can have a RTX 5080 Super to fill the market gap. Without Nvidia doing that, we will never get the RTX 5080 Super as far as I know.

But the AI race is eating the VRAM supply our dGPUs need(especially 3GB for high density VRAM designs). Unfortunately, the big memory producers(Samsung, Micron, and SK Hynix) are not building up to create enough VRAM to meet the need. They might know something on the horizon that we do not as to why.

Some say a constricted supply creates more demand and it allows for a maximum market price to sell for datacenter products. It is probably a combination of factors as it always has been in production environments that I have been in over the years.
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I did not attritbute those claims to you, I stated this thread had those claims.
The devil is in the details.

And there is no need for a 50 series Super release as AMD not only has fumbled the ball, the dropped it off field all together.
And the 8% sales numbers proves this.

It also shows that the diffenrt stance on forums was false:
- Raytracing doesn't matter!!!
- Upscaling doesn't matter!!!
- Halo card doesn't matter!!!
- FPS per $$$ matter!!!

But in reality that belief has lead to 8% sales numbers.
So I will enjoy my RTX 4090 with all the additional features unmatched by AMD or far better features than AMD has to offer, unbested by anything they (AMD) has to offer until I build a new PC with a RTX 6090 and the repeat the cycle.
Like 90% of people that buys and NVIDIA consumer GPU.
I will also keep building server STUFFED with NVIDIA GPU's and nota single AMD GPU.
Like pratically the entire industry.

And I do not feel sorry for using GPU's so consumers can not get any cheap GPU, as my job is to take care of shareholder and not whiney gamers.
 
DaedalusHelios said:
A RTX 5080 Super 24GB for $2k launch would sell fine given current market conditions. I think Nvidia is too preoccupied with making ludicrous money in the datacenter market to do bother with it.
The space between RTX 5080 and RTX 5090 is widening in street price.
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RTX 5080 24GB Perhaps?​

There’s also rumor about potential 24GB version of RTX 5080, which comes from hongxing2020, also very reliable NVIDIA hardware leaker. NVIDIA has reportedly notified a factory about the end of RTX 5090 production. The same message suggests that a GeForce RTX 5080 24GB will replace the current 16GB version and become the highest-end GeForce card.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...-gb202-gpus-to-be-reserved-for-rtx-pro-series
 
Marees said:

RTX 5080 24GB Perhaps?​

There’s also rumor about potential 24GB version of RTX 5080, which comes from hongxing2020, also very reliable NVIDIA hardware leaker. NVIDIA has reportedly notified a factory about the end of RTX 5090 production. The same message suggests that a GeForce RTX 5080 24GB will replace the current 16GB version and become the highest-end GeForce card.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...-gb202-gpus-to-be-reserved-for-rtx-pro-series
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There is the China market which is separate, so that may be a Chinese market move to constrict capability as a tightening on their AI space build out. The RTX 5090 is slightly different over there with the v2. The RTX 5080 Super or perhaps a ti branding might eventually arrive on the market. Extra VRAM on the current vanilla RTX 5080 wouldn't help with much except AI models mainly. It would future proof the RTX 5080 some though.
The issue is still VRAM until that can be solved we might not see much high VRAM cards in actual full launch volume. Unless this other RTX 5080 (24GB) gets a very high price tag.
 
Agent_N said:
Again, both of you are wrong. If AMD was only Radeon GPUs and no other products, then I would agree with you, but they have a robust CPU side that is kicking Intel's butt and eating away at their dominance every quarter in Enterprise spaces and they are competing with Nvidia in the AI space, probably better than they are in the consumer discrete GPU space if comparing. They are also selling tens of millions of custom chips for Playstation, Xbox, handhelds, Steam hardware, etc. 10% in discrete GPU market share is not that bad when they are selling very well in other areas because they are a diversified company, not a one trick pony. Both Nvidia and ATI/AMD have expanded beyond being one trick pony discrete GPU designers because there isn't that much money in discrete GPUs, not compared to the deep pockets of big tech companies all fighting each other for chips.
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I have been very specific about the AMD discrete video card business. That's what sucks. AMD as a whole is a great company and doing very well.
 

“Starting This Month, AMD Implements Another Memory Price Hike for GDDR6-Based GPUs, But It's Not the Only Thing That Will Increase GPU Prices​

Memory prices must have climbed once again recently, which is why we are now hearing that AMD has implemented another price hike for memory. Board Channels reports that AMD has already raised the prices for its GDDR6 memory for its board partners, which means board partners will now have no other option but to pass the costs on to consumers.”

https://wccftech.com/amd-reportedly-raised-gddr6-memory-prices-for-its-partners/
 
Marees said:

RTX 5080 24GB Perhaps?​

There’s also rumor about potential 24GB version of RTX 5080, which comes from hongxing2020, also very reliable NVIDIA hardware leaker. NVIDIA has reportedly notified a factory about the end of RTX 5090 production. The same message suggests that a GeForce RTX 5080 24GB will replace the current 16GB version and become the highest-end GeForce card.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...-gb202-gpus-to-be-reserved-for-rtx-pro-series
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I don't know if they'd do it, but it'll be really pricey. Probably shoot up to the $5K mark despite the MSRP. More if it ends up being a RTX 5080 Super 24GB.
 
Total PC GPU Market (incl. APUs) 24% Nvidia 15% AMD 61% Intel

Those making games without discrete cards being release, too high in price etc will shift to the most common, Intel APU’s. They better be very inventive to make games appealing enough besides gambling ones.

I own both AMD and Nvidia. Don’t feel deprived at all using the 5070XT, most of my games run just as good if not better than my 5070 Ti. I have yet found a PT game usable on the 5070 Ti. Too little gain overall for the huge performance drop. As for RT, they are about dead even or very hard to notice. For DLSS and FSR 4, both to me are very good. FG on both suck. Everyone has unique tastes and subjective views.
 
There are over 100,000 available games on Steam, an estimated 2-3 million total PC games.

The total released, Official Titles of Path Traced games is 22. PT games make less than .022% of all Steam games.

Why would anyone give a fu__ about PT performance when basically for decent performance with IQ that is noticeably better and not being degraded by using work arounds like extreme DLSS or FG would need a 5090? Yet for Doom The Dark Ages, I leave PT off for a better gaming experience. That is with a 5090.

PT performance is irrelevant for the most part except for use case someone will need. My personal experience, PT adds so little to the gaming experience, even non RT games can have a better visual quality and performance due to expert baking and work than many of the RT games.

List of PT games officially released with PT. Not moded games.

1. Alan Wake 2
2. Black Myth: Wukong
3. Control: Resonant
4. Cyberpunk 2077
5. FBC: Firebreak
6. The Witcher 3
7. 007: First Light
8. DESORDRE
9. F1 25
10. Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
11. Minecraft RTX
12. Naraka: Bladepoint
13. Phantom Blade Zero
14. Pragmata
15. Resident Evil: Requiem
16. Sword of Justice
17. Directive 8020
18. DOOM: The Dark Ages
19. Neverness to Everness
20. Death Relives
21. Sword and Fairy 7 RTX Edition
22. Justice Online

Too many bought into the Nvidia hype train.
 
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noko said:
There are over 100,000 available games on Steam, an estimated 2-3 million total PC games.

The total released, Official Titles of Path Traced games is 22. PT games make less than .022% of all Steam games.

Why would anyone give a fu__ about PT performance when basically for decent performance with IQ that is noticeably better and not being degraded by using work arounds like extreme DLSS or FG would need a 5090? Yet for Doom The Dark Ages, I leave PT off for a better gaming experience. That is with a 5090.

PT performance is irrelevant for the most part except for use case someone will need. My personal experience, PT adds so little to the gaming experience, even non RT games can have a better visual quality and performance due to expert baking and work than many of the RT games.

List of PT games officially released with PT. Not moded games.

1. Alan Wake 2
2. Black Myth: Wukong
3. Control: Resonant
4. Cyberpunk 2077
5. FBC: Firebreak
6. The Witcher 3
7. 007: First Light
8. DESORDRE
9. F1 25
10. Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
11. Minecraft RTX
12. Naraka: Bladepoint
13. Phantom Blade Zero
14. Pragmata
15. Resident Evil: Requiem
16. Sword of Justice
17. Directive 8020
18. DOOM: The Dark Ages
19. Neverness to Everness
20. Death Relives
21. Sword and Fairy 7 RTX Edition
22. Justice Online

Too many bought into the Nvidia hype train.
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Copied from another forumm, the dishonesty from you to only include PT games says it all, not wonder only 8% buys AMD GPU's:

Software:
Teardown (Path Tracing)
Voxlands (Path Tracing)
Tiny Glade (Global Illumination and Shadows)
007 First Light (Global Illumination)
World Of Tanks (Shadows)
Crysis 1 Remastered (Reflections)
Crysis 2 Remastered (Reflections)
Crysis 3 Remastered (Reflections)
Gears 5 (Screen Space Global Illumination)
Days Gone (Screen Space Global Illumination)
The Outer Worlds (Screen Space Global Illumination)
Assassin's Creed Shadows (Global Illumination)
Star Wars Outlaws (Global Illumination)
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora (Global Illumination)
Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resynced (Global Illumination)

Software Lumen Global Illumination and Reflections (World Space for static elements mixed with Screen Space for dynamic elements):
Vampire The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2
Concubine
Dead Take
Deconstruction Simulator
Dungeon Stalkers
Empyreal
Fort Solis
Jusant
RoboCop Rogue City
Immortals of Aveum
Ark Survival Ascended
Lords of the Fallen
The Talos Principle 2
Mafia: The Old Country
Senua's Saga: Hellblade II
Still Wakes The Deep
Lego Horizon Adventures
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons Remake
Satisfactory
Bodycam
Slender The Arrival
Stray Souls
Quantum Error
Mortal Online 2
Cepheus Protocol
Entoria: The Last Song
Frostpunk 2
Incursion Red River
Palworld
Project Borealis: Prologue
Life Is Strange: Double Exposure
Spirit of the North 2
Funko Fusion
MechWarrior 5: Clans
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl
Spirit of the North 2
Synduality: Echo of Ada
Way Of The Hunter 2

Ambient Occlusion:
Battlefield 2042
Saints Row 2022
Dead Space Remake
Madden NFL 24
Skull and Bones
Madden NFL 25
EA FC 25
EA FC 26
Warhammer 40K Space Marines 2
Madden NFL 26
Madden NFL 27

Shadows:
Call of Duty Modern Warfare
Call Of Duty Warzone Caldera
Shadow of Tomb Raider
Dirt 5
Godfall
The Riftbreaker
The Riftbreaker: Prologue
Mortal Shell
Jurassic World Evolution 2
Poker Club
Life is Strange True Colors
Mercs Fully Loaded
World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands
World Of Warcraft: Dragon Flight
Halo Infinite
Kakudo
Endless Dungeon
Homeworld 3
World Of Warcraft: The War Within
World Of Warcraft: Midnight
Unknown 9: Awakening
Flight Simulator 2024
Zaccaria Pinball
Industria 2

Shadows + Ambient Occlusion:
Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War
Deathloop
A Plague Tale: Requiem
Forspoken
Elden Ring
Eve Online

Reflections:
Battlefield V
Wolfenstein Youngblood
Watch Dogs Legion
Ghostwire Tokyo
Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed
Observer System Redux
Doom Eternal
Arcadegeddon
Myst
Crysis 1 Remastered
Crysis 2 Remastered
Crysis 3 Remastered
Marvel's Guardian Of The Galaxy
Forza Horizon 5
Chorus
Paradise Killer
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil 7
Loopmancer
Martha is Dead
Fritz Chess 17
Fritz Chess 18
King Of Fighters 15
Steelrising
Q.U.B.E. 10th Anniversary
Blind Fate Edo no Yami
Gotham Knights
Tower of Fantasy
Batora: Lost Haven
Fobia - St. Dinfna Hotel
Myth of Empires
Gungrave G.O.R.E.
The Cycle Frontier
Domino Simulator
Soulmate
Pinball FX
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
The Outlast Trials
Layers of Fear
Armored Core VI
Q.U.B.E 2
Ripout
Suicide Squad Kill Justice League
Synced
Retreat to Enen
Persona 3 Reload
Atomic Heart
Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess
Gori: Cuddly Carnage
NBA 2K25
NBA 2K26
NBA 2K27
Evotinction
Predator Hunting Ground
Delta Force: Black Hawk Down
Mortal Kombat 1
Rise of the Ronin
Monster Hunter Wilds
Riven
The Sinking City Remastered
Kingshunt
Firmament
Ashes Echoes
Ananta
Jurassic World Evolution 3
Alien Rogue Incursion
Call of Duty Black Ops 7
Pure Pool Pro
Ash Echoes
Onimusha Way of the Sword
Silver Palace
Lord of Mysteries

Reflections + Ambient Occlusion:
The Medium
Marvel’s Midnight Suns
Hell Pie
Dark Picture Anthology: Man Of Medan
Dark Picture Anthology: Little Hope
Dark Picture Anthology: House Of Ashes
Dark Picture Anthology: The Devil in Me
Until Dawn Remake
Dragon Age: The Veilguard
Infinity Nikki
Death Stranding 2

Reflections + Shadows:
MechWarrior V
Deliver Us The Moon
Deliver Us Mars
Bright Memory
Ghostrunner
Ghostrunner 2
F1 2021
Redout: Space Assault
The Orville
Far Cry 6
Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
The Callisto Protocol
Hellblade
Little Nightmares
Little Nightmares II
Amid Evil
Hitman 1
Hitman 2
Hitman 3
The Diofield Chronicle
Dolmen
Returnal
Perish
Turbo Sloths
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum
Orbit.industries
The Idolmaster: Starlit Season
Diablo IV
The Casting of Frank Stone
Echo Point Nova
Lost Souls Aside
Active Matter

Reflections + Shadows + Ambient Occlusion:
Wrench
The Ascent
Industria
Dahlia View
Raji: An Ancient Epic
Five Nights At Freddy's Security Breach
Trail Out
Exit From
Titan Station
Beyond Evolution
F1 2022
Sackboy A Big Adventure
Hogwarts Legacy
Day Dream Forgotten Sorrow
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Fishing North Atlantic
Daydream Forgotten Sorrow
Gripper
The Eternal Cylinder
Time Breaker
To Hell With It
The First Descendant
Age of Mythology Retold
Marvel's Spider-Man 2
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 4

Reflections + Shadows + Water Caustics:
Sword and Fairy 7

Reflections + Limited Global Illumination:
Resident Evil 8 Village

Reflections + Limited Global Illumination + Water Caustics:
Chernobylite

Global Illumination:
Metro Exodus Standard Edition
Xuan-Yuan Sword VII
Ring Of Elysium
Icarus
Rune 2
Moonlight Blade
Togges
The Finals
Dragon's Dogma 2
Planet Coaster 2
Space Engineers 2
Arc Raiders
Mecha Break
MONGIL: STAR DIVE
EA Sports College Football 27
Star Wars: Galactic Race

Global Illumination + Reflections:
Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
Fortnite
F.I.S.T. Forged In Shadow Torch
Ant Ausventure
Warhammer 40K: Darktide
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
The Fabled Woods
Warhaven
Raze 2070
Starship Troopers: Extermination
The Isles Evrima
Supermoves
inZOI
Silent Hill 2 Remake
A Quiet Place: The Road Ahead
Torque Drift 2
Ninja Gaiden 2 Black
Assassin’s Creed Shadows
Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resynced
Avowed
Desordre
Ambulance Life: A Paramedic Simulator
Black Myth Wukong
Doom The Dark Ages
Indiana Jones and The Great Circle
Zombieville USA 3D
STORROR Parkour
The Talos Principle Reawakened
Oblivion Remastered
Forza Motorsport 2023
Deadzone Rouge
Brickadia
Anno 117: Pax Romana
Cronos: The New Dawn
Little Nightmares III
Backrooms: Escape Together
METAL EDEN
Fate Triggers
Directorate Noivtiate
Valor Mortis
The Outer Worlds 2
Crashowary
Dinoblade
Carmageddon: Rogue Shift
Lunar Eclipse
Norse: Oath of Blood
Subliminal
Pragmata
Resident Evil 9
Forza Horizon 6
The Black Ice
Samson
Gray Zone Warfare
Scientific Project: Optic
Zenless Zone Zero
1666: Amsterdam
Halo Campaign Evolved
Mortal Shell 2
Fatekeeper
Mistfall
The Sinking City 2
Hell Let Loose Vietnam
Ace Combat 8
Bodycam
Silent Hill Townfall

Global Illumination/Reflections (Hardware Lumen) enabled through ini files:
Fort Solis
Metal Gear Solid Delta
Silent Hill F
Chernobylite 2
Wuchang Fallen Feathers
Palworld

Global Illumination + Reflections + Shadows:
Control
Control Resonant
Bright Memory Infinite
LEGO Builder's Journey
The Persistence
Escape From Naraka
Cyberpunk 2077
Dying Light 2
Pumpkin Jack
Automation - The Car Company Tycoon Game
The Witcher 3 Definitive Edition
Hello Neighbor 2
Stay In The Light
F1 2023
Exoprimal
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
F1 2024
Star Wars Outlaws
Grand Theft Auto V
Wuthering Waves
F1 2025
Dying Light The Beast
FragPunk
Enlisted
Moon Runner
Crimson Desert
Gears of War E-Day (Ultra is NVIDIA exclusive)
Honeycomb: The World Beyond

Full Ray Tracing (~Path Tracing for everything but primary shadows, not all lights are shadow casting):
War Thunder (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Enlisted (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Sword of Justice (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Neverness to Everness (NVIDIA exclusive)
Naraka: Bladepoint

Full Path Tracing:
Tides of Annihilation
Phantom Blade Zero
The Witcher 3 Remastered (Max is NVIDIA exclusive)
Control Resonant (Ultra is NVIDIA exclusive)
007 First Light (NVIDIA exclusive)
Directive 8020 (NVIDIA exclusive)
Sea of Remnants
Pragmata (NVIDIA exclusive)
Resident Evil 9 Requiem (NVIDIA exclusive)
Doom The Dark Ages (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
F1 2025 (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
FBC: Firebreak (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Indiana Jones The Great Circle (Max is NVIDIA exclusive)
Black Myth Wukong
Alan Wake 2 (Ultra is NVIDIA exclusive)
Cyberpunk 2077 (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 (NVIDIA exclusive)
Desordre
Half Life 2 RTX (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Portal RTX (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Portal Prelude RTX
Minecraft RTX
Quake 2 RTX

Full Path Tracing (mods):
Dark Souls 2 (mod)
GTA IV RTX (mod)
Painkiller RTX Edition (mod)
Halo Campaign Evolved (mod)
Duke Nuke'm 3D (mod)
Doom 64 (mod)
Doom (mod)
Doom 2 (mod)
Quake (mod)
Half Life (mod)
Serious Sam First Encounter (mod)
Dragon's Dogma 2 (mod)
Resident Evil 2 Remake (mod)
Resident Evil 3 Remake (mod)
Resident Evil 4 Remake (mod)
Resident Evil 7 (mod)
Resident Evil 8 (mod)

Games with ML Denoising (Ray Reconstruction/Ray Regeneration):
Honeycomb: The World Beyond
The Witcher 3 Remastered
007 First Light
Fragmentary Order
Call of Duty Black Ops 7
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 4
Crimson Desert
Resident Evil 9
Pragmata
Neverness to Everness
Directive 8020
Samson
Subliminal
Dying Light The Beast
Backrooms: Escape Together
Swords of Justice
Valor Mortis
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora
Enlisted
Naraka: Bladepoint
Doom: The Dark Ages
F1 2025
FBC: Firebreak
Indiana Jones and The Great Circle
Alan Wake 2
Cyberpunk 2077
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
Half Life 2 RTX
Portal RTX
F1 2025
Star Wars Outlaws
The First Descendant
Marvel's Spider-Man 2
Hogwarts Legacy
Incursion Red River
War Thunder
EVERSPACE 2
Control Resonant
Sea of Remnants
Star Wars: Galactic Race
Halo Campaign Evolved (ini file)
Silent Hill 2 Remake (ini file)
Gears of Ware E-Day (ini file)
Silent Hill Townfall (ini file)
 
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littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Copied from another forumm, the dishonesty from you to only include PT games says it all, not wonder only 8% buys AMD GPU's:

Software:
Teardown (Path Tracing)
Voxlands (Path Tracing)
Tiny Glade (Global Illumination and Shadows)
007 First Light (Global Illumination)
World Of Tanks (Shadows)
Crysis 1 Remastered (Reflections)
Crysis 2 Remastered (Reflections)
Crysis 3 Remastered (Reflections)
Gears 5 (Screen Space Global Illumination)
Days Gone (Screen Space Global Illumination)
The Outer Worlds (Screen Space Global Illumination)
Assassin's Creed Shadows (Global Illumination)
Star Wars Outlaws (Global Illumination)
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora (Global Illumination)
Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resynced (Global Illumination)

Software Lumen Global Illumination and Reflections (World Space for static elements mixed with Screen Space for dynamic elements):
Vampire The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2
Concubine
Dead Take
Deconstruction Simulator
Dungeon Stalkers
Empyreal
Fort Solis
Jusant
RoboCop Rogue City
Immortals of Aveum
Ark Survival Ascended
Lords of the Fallen
The Talos Principle 2
Mafia: The Old Country
Senua's Saga: Hellblade II
Still Wakes The Deep
Lego Horizon Adventures
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons Remake
Satisfactory
Bodycam
Slender The Arrival
Stray Souls
Quantum Error
Mortal Online 2
Cepheus Protocol
Entoria: The Last Song
Frostpunk 2
Incursion Red River
Palworld
Project Borealis: Prologue
Life Is Strange: Double Exposure
Spirit of the North 2
Funko Fusion
MechWarrior 5: Clans
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl
Spirit of the North 2
Synduality: Echo of Ada
Way Of The Hunter 2

Ambient Occlusion:
Battlefield 2042
Saints Row 2022
Dead Space Remake
Madden NFL 24
Skull and Bones
Madden NFL 25
EA FC 25
EA FC 26
Warhammer 40K Space Marines 2
Madden NFL 26
Madden NFL 27

Shadows:
Call of Duty Modern Warfare
Call Of Duty Warzone Caldera
Shadow of Tomb Raider
Dirt 5
Godfall
The Riftbreaker
The Riftbreaker: Prologue
Mortal Shell
Jurassic World Evolution 2
Poker Club
Life is Strange True Colors
Mercs Fully Loaded
World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands
World Of Warcraft: Dragon Flight
Halo Infinite
Kakudo
Endless Dungeon
Homeworld 3
World Of Warcraft: The War Within
World Of Warcraft: Midnight
Unknown 9: Awakening
Flight Simulator 2024
Zaccaria Pinball
Industria 2

Shadows + Ambient Occlusion:
Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War
Deathloop
A Plague Tale: Requiem
Forspoken
Elden Ring
Eve Online

Reflections:
Battlefield V
Wolfenstein Youngblood
Watch Dogs Legion
Ghostwire Tokyo
Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed
Observer System Redux
Doom Eternal
Arcadegeddon
Myst
Crysis 1 Remastered
Crysis 2 Remastered
Crysis 3 Remastered
Marvel's Guardian Of The Galaxy
Forza Horizon 5
Chorus
Paradise Killer
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil 7
Loopmancer
Martha is Dead
Fritz Chess 17
Fritz Chess 18
King Of Fighters 15
Steelrising
Q.U.B.E. 10th Anniversary
Blind Fate Edo no Yami
Gotham Knights
Tower of Fantasy
Batora: Lost Haven
Fobia - St. Dinfna Hotel
Myth of Empires
Gungrave G.O.R.E.
The Cycle Frontier
Domino Simulator
Soulmate
Pinball FX
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
The Outlast Trials
Layers of Fear
Armored Core VI
Q.U.B.E 2
Ripout
Suicide Squad Kill Justice League
Synced
Retreat to Enen
Persona 3 Reload
Atomic Heart
Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess
Gori: Cuddly Carnage
NBA 2K25
NBA 2K26
NBA 2K27
Evotinction
Predator Hunting Ground
Delta Force: Black Hawk Down
Mortal Kombat 1
Rise of the Ronin
Monster Hunter Wilds
Riven
The Sinking City Remastered
Kingshunt
Firmament
Ashes Echoes
Ananta
Jurassic World Evolution 3
Alien Rogue Incursion
Call of Duty Black Ops 7
Pure Pool Pro
Ash Echoes
Onimusha Way of the Sword
Silver Palace
Lord of Mysteries

Reflections + Ambient Occlusion:
The Medium
Marvel’s Midnight Suns
Hell Pie
Dark Picture Anthology: Man Of Medan
Dark Picture Anthology: Little Hope
Dark Picture Anthology: House Of Ashes
Dark Picture Anthology: The Devil in Me
Until Dawn Remake
Dragon Age: The Veilguard
Infinity Nikki
Death Stranding 2

Reflections + Shadows:
MechWarrior V
Deliver Us The Moon
Deliver Us Mars
Bright Memory
Ghostrunner
Ghostrunner 2
F1 2021
Redout: Space Assault
The Orville
Far Cry 6
Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
The Callisto Protocol
Hellblade
Little Nightmares
Little Nightmares II
Amid Evil
Hitman 1
Hitman 2
Hitman 3
The Diofield Chronicle
Dolmen
Returnal
Perish
Turbo Sloths
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum
Orbit.industries
The Idolmaster: Starlit Season
Diablo IV
The Casting of Frank Stone
Echo Point Nova
Lost Souls Aside
Active Matter

Reflections + Shadows + Ambient Occlusion:
Wrench
The Ascent
Industria
Dahlia View
Raji: An Ancient Epic
Five Nights At Freddy's Security Breach
Trail Out
Exit From
Titan Station
Beyond Evolution
F1 2022
Sackboy A Big Adventure
Hogwarts Legacy
Day Dream Forgotten Sorrow
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Fishing North Atlantic
Daydream Forgotten Sorrow
Gripper
The Eternal Cylinder
Time Breaker
To Hell With It
The First Descendant
Age of Mythology Retold
Marvel's Spider-Man 2
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 4

Reflections + Shadows + Water Caustics:
Sword and Fairy 7

Reflections + Limited Global Illumination:
Resident Evil 8 Village

Reflections + Limited Global Illumination + Water Caustics:
Chernobylite

Global Illumination:
Metro Exodus Standard Edition
Xuan-Yuan Sword VII
Ring Of Elysium
Icarus
Rune 2
Moonlight Blade
Togges
The Finals
Dragon's Dogma 2
Planet Coaster 2
Space Engineers 2
Arc Raiders
Mecha Break
MONGIL: STAR DIVE
EA Sports College Football 27
Star Wars: Galactic Race

Global Illumination + Reflections:
Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
Fortnite
F.I.S.T. Forged In Shadow Torch
Ant Ausventure
Warhammer 40K: Darktide
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
The Fabled Woods
Warhaven
Raze 2070
Starship Troopers: Extermination
The Isles Evrima
Supermoves
inZOI
Silent Hill 2 Remake
A Quiet Place: The Road Ahead
Torque Drift 2
Ninja Gaiden 2 Black
Assassin’s Creed Shadows
Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resynced
Avowed
Desordre
Ambulance Life: A Paramedic Simulator
Black Myth Wukong
Doom The Dark Ages
Indiana Jones and The Great Circle
Zombieville USA 3D
STORROR Parkour
The Talos Principle Reawakened
Oblivion Remastered
Forza Motorsport 2023
Deadzone Rouge
Brickadia
Anno 117: Pax Romana
Cronos: The New Dawn
Little Nightmares III
Backrooms: Escape Together
METAL EDEN
Fate Triggers
Directorate Noivtiate
Valor Mortis
The Outer Worlds 2
Crashowary
Dinoblade
Carmageddon: Rogue Shift
Lunar Eclipse
Norse: Oath of Blood
Subliminal
Pragmata
Resident Evil 9
Forza Horizon 6
The Black Ice
Samson
Gray Zone Warfare
Scientific Project: Optic
Zenless Zone Zero
1666: Amsterdam
Halo Campaign Evolved
Mortal Shell 2
Fatekeeper
Mistfall
The Sinking City 2
Hell Let Loose Vietnam
Ace Combat 8
Bodycam
Silent Hill Townfall

Global Illumination/Reflections (Hardware Lumen) enabled through ini files:
Fort Solis
Metal Gear Solid Delta
Silent Hill F
Chernobylite 2
Wuchang Fallen Feathers
Palworld

Global Illumination + Reflections + Shadows:
Control
Control Resonant
Bright Memory Infinite
LEGO Builder's Journey
The Persistence
Escape From Naraka
Cyberpunk 2077
Dying Light 2
Pumpkin Jack
Automation - The Car Company Tycoon Game
The Witcher 3 Definitive Edition
Hello Neighbor 2
Stay In The Light
F1 2023
Exoprimal
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
F1 2024
Star Wars Outlaws
Grand Theft Auto V
Wuthering Waves
F1 2025
Dying Light The Beast
FragPunk
Enlisted
Moon Runner
Crimson Desert
Gears of War E-Day (Ultra is NVIDIA exclusive)
Honeycomb: The World Beyond

Full Ray Tracing (~Path Tracing for everything but primary shadows, not all lights are shadow casting):
War Thunder (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Enlisted (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Sword of Justice (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Neverness to Everness (NVIDIA exclusive)
Naraka: Bladepoint

Full Path Tracing:
Tides of Annihilation
Phantom Blade Zero
The Witcher 3 Remastered (Max is NVIDIA exclusive)
Control Resonant (Ultra is NVIDIA exclusive)
007 First Light (NVIDIA exclusive)
Directive 8020 (NVIDIA exclusive)
Sea of Remnants
Pragmata (NVIDIA exclusive)
Resident Evil 9 Requiem (NVIDIA exclusive)
Doom The Dark Ages (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
F1 2025 (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
FBC: Firebreak (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Indiana Jones The Great Circle (Max is NVIDIA exclusive)
Black Myth Wukong
Alan Wake 2 (Ultra is NVIDIA exclusive)
Cyberpunk 2077 (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 (NVIDIA exclusive)
Desordre
Half Life 2 RTX (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Portal RTX (ML denoising is NVIDIA exclusive)
Portal Prelude RTX
Minecraft RTX
Quake 2 RTX

Full Path Tracing (mods):
Dark Souls 2 (mod)
GTA IV RTX (mod)
Painkiller RTX Edition (mod)
Halo Campaign Evolved (mod)
Duke Nuke'm 3D (mod)
Doom 64 (mod)
Doom (mod)
Doom 2 (mod)
Quake (mod)
Half Life (mod)
Serious Sam First Encounter (mod)
Dragon's Dogma 2 (mod)
Resident Evil 2 Remake (mod)
Resident Evil 3 Remake (mod)
Resident Evil 4 Remake (mod)
Resident Evil 7 (mod)
Resident Evil 8 (mod)

Games with ML Denoising (Ray Reconstruction/Ray Regeneration):
Honeycomb: The World Beyond
The Witcher 3 Remastered
007 First Light
Fragmentary Order
Call of Duty Black Ops 7
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 4
Crimson Desert
Resident Evil 9
Pragmata
Neverness to Everness
Directive 8020
Samson
Subliminal
Dying Light The Beast
Backrooms: Escape Together
Swords of Justice
Valor Mortis
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora
Enlisted
Naraka: Bladepoint
Doom: The Dark Ages
F1 2025
FBC: Firebreak
Indiana Jones and The Great Circle
Alan Wake 2
Cyberpunk 2077
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
Half Life 2 RTX
Portal RTX
F1 2025
Star Wars Outlaws
The First Descendant
Marvel's Spider-Man 2
Hogwarts Legacy
Incursion Red River
War Thunder
EVERSPACE 2
Control Resonant
Sea of Remnants
Star Wars: Galactic Race
Halo Campaign Evolved (ini file)
Silent Hill 2 Remake (ini file)
Gears of Ware E-Day (ini file)
Silent Hill Townfall (ini file)
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I guess reading comprehension is beyond you. RT performance between the 9070 XT and 5070 TI is so close, depending on title it makes little difference. The 9070 for most is faster than the 5070 and for the millions of other titles that many are played, don’t need RT.
As for PT performance,
Who really cares? As for one company contributing the most to the current dilemma, for gaming cards, it’s your’s truly Nvidia.
 
noko said:
I guess reading comprehension is beyond you. RT performance between the 9070 XT and 5070 TI is so close, depending on title it makes little difference. The 9070 for most is faster than the 5070 and for the millions of other titles that many are played, don’t need RT.
As for PT performance,
Who really cares? As for one company contributing the most to the current dilemma, for gaming cards, it’s your’s truly Nvidia.
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1. My 2022 RTX 4090 still makes AMD look like 2nd choice.
2. AMD sales have dropped to 8% for almost 2 years now, so you are dead wrong going by the data.
3. You are peddling "stop progress, my card cannot do it, so nobody should" aka whining.

Your view is a minority view, mr. 8%.

And what happend to your lie about "little difference"?
Did it fail so hard, you have to start shifting the goalposts now? 🤡
It did didn't it?

AMD has had nothing in my performance bracket for years, live with it.
 
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