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Google I/O 2013 thread

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Anyone watching this? It's been really disappointing so far. I was really looking forward to a unified messaging service from Google, instead they add yet another chat app without unifying any of the combing ones :mad:

Chromebook Pixel is very meh - strange form factor, Chrome is a toy OS and outside of education/schools I don't really see a use for this.
 
Was hoping for a Nexus 5 announcement. Don't think that is happening at the I/0. Have they said anything about a refresh of the Nexus 7 tablet or anything?
 
Looks like the big stuff coming to the November event this Fall, with the Android 5.0 and Nexus-Five release.

This Google I/O just a minor patch release, and developer convention, nothing major.

Was hoping for an iMessage competitor, but Google Hangouts doesn't even include SMS Texting, WTF ? That sucks.

Where is Android 4.3 ? Where is the new Nexus tablet ? Where is the white Nexus 4, with 32GB and LTE ?

Oh well, i always expected the big event to be the Nexus phone release in the Fall anyways.
 
Cbone said:
I rate this I/O Keynote a Yawn-. Pretty boring.
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How the hell is it boring? Hangouts is pretty cool (replaces GTalk on phones). The upgrade to Maps is amazing. The Android Studio is gonna rock. I'm in the middle of exporting my apps from Eclipse right now. The new

Zorachus said:
Is there no 4.3 release ?
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Nope. Not surprised either. After the no 4.3 announcement I'm guessing release during the summer to coincide with the new Maps. New API's and what not for integration with it. Overall just a bug release and a few new things.

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When does the new Maps go live? Only good thing from the keynote.
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Preview is live now. Invites go out tomorrow morning. All goes live this "summer".

Only good thing? Seriously?
 
Hangouts, Maps update, and Android Studio are boring. No hardware talk, no Jelly Bean. I stand by my Yawn-.
 
MrCrispy said:
When does the new Maps go live? Only good thing from the keynote.
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You can request to be invited to the preview here

As for the yawn remark, it's not surprising it's a bit boring if you were looking for new hardware. They already came out and said this I/O was going to be developer-centric beforehand, so if you were still expecting massive hardware roll-outs you were going to be disappointed regardless :p
 
Google IO is going on for two more days though, correct? I see a lot of people are not happy with the limited amount of stuff today, but maybe more will be tomorrow or Friday. I know I for one am watching closesly for the second gen Nexus 7, hopefully that gets mentioned tomorrow.
 
I think that the Memphis BBQ Festival might be more interesting... just kidding <-- adding these words in case people don't get sarcasm
 
leh18621 said:
Google IO is going on for two more days though, correct? I see a lot of people are not happy with the limited amount of stuff today, but maybe more will be tomorrow or Friday. I know I for one am watching closesly for the second gen Nexus 7, hopefully that gets mentioned tomorrow.
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Yes it goes on for two more days, but there is only one keynote...the one that just happened. If they were to release something they would have mentioned it. It's highly unlikely they'll announce anything at one of the sessions since the audience is much more limited and you want to have a large audience for a launch. Still possible, but imo highly unlikely :p

https://developers.google.com/events/io/agenda
 
Cbone said:
Hangouts, Maps update, and Android Studio are boring. No hardware talk, no Jelly Bean. I stand by my Yawn-.
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Yep.

Hangouts sucks without SMS Text integration. I thought Google was releasing something called "Babel" to compete against Apple's iMessage, guess not. All the tech blog forums are blowing up on this Hangouts thing not including the most important feature, a new Text Messaging app :rolleyes:

Maps update looks good, but this is just a preview, its months away from release.

Oh well, I prefer the Nexus phone events Google does in the Fall anyways. those Fall events are much better, with new phone hardware and new OS releases. Can't wait till November for the Nexus-Five and Android 5.0 release.
 
Hangouts is pretty snazzy. I'm using it now and it's much better all around than Gtalk. I really like the little animations and annotations that tell you when someone has sent, been read and if the other person is replying. But the whole UI is pretty damn smooth and much more streamlined.

Yeah, SMS integration would have been nice, but hardly a requirement for me. I have already converted most of my friends over to Gtalk anyways, so I don't use SMS for anyone else much as it is.
 
Zorachus said:
Yep.

Hangouts sucks without SMS Text integration. I thought Google was releasing something called "Babel" to compete against Apple's iMessage, guess not. All the tech blog forums are blowing up on this Hangouts thing not including the most important feature, a new Text Messaging app :rolleyes:

Maps update looks good, but this is just a preview, its months away from release.

Oh well, I prefer the Nexus phone events Google does in the Fall anyways. those Fall events are much better, with new phone hardware and new OS releases. Can't wait till November for the Nexus-Five and Android 5.0 release.
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I don't see all the commotion about the lack of SMS. It can be added later and it certainly isn't a deal break now. Hangouts is pretty damn slick.

T4rd said:
Hangouts is pretty snazzy. I'm using it now and it's much better all around than Gtalk. I really like the little animations and annotations that tell you when someone has sent, been read and if the other person is replying. But the whole UI is pretty damn smooth and much more streamlined.

Yeah, SMS integration would have been nice, but hardly a requirement for me. I have already converted most of my friends over to Gtalk anyways, so I don't use SMS for anyone else much as it is.
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Hangouts is impressive. The Chrome extension is just as good as the mobile app version. Google is doing everything right with this. The only misstep could be the lack of SMS but again it isn't a deal break and can easily be added later.

Oh and the new Android Studio is incredibly nice.
 
To me it sounds like next year 2014, will be the big advance for smartphones, this year has just been updates, nothing radically new really. We got the Samsung Galaxy S4 which is great and all, but not radically different than the S3. Apple bringing out the iPhone 5S in September, rumored to be an updated iPhone 5, but nothing radically new. Windows Phone 9 delayed to next year, just some minor updates coming this Fall, to current models. And Google, looks to be delaying Android 5.0 to the new year as well.

Rumors I hear for 2014;

- iPhone 6, totally brand new phone design, larger screen.

- Samsung Galaxy S5 is rumored to be a major change, with future tech never before seen in a smartphone, whole new design process, new screen technology, and radically updated and changed Touchwiz.

- Windows Phone 9 due in Spring / Summer next year, completely new hardware, and big OS update.

- Android 5.0 being all new and big update, pushed back to the new year, possibly this Fall.

Seems like smartphones from 2012 and 2013 pretty much the same, just minor hardware updates as expected, but end of the day an S3 to S4 isn't major, an iPhone 5 to 5S nothing major. From the rumors I read, it sounds like next year will bring advancements, big time.
 
I'm really unhappy with Google's apparent lack of interest in Voice, carrier integration or SMS etc.

Hangouts is nice but confusing and not very useful. Talk is now gone. Hangouts now shows all my Google contacts, along with Circles, and I don't care for that. I tried to start a video chat with someone else who just have a regular Google account, and they never got it. Since I use gtalk a lot to keep in touch with my family who are far away (we video chat over wifi) this is a deal breaker. Maybe I'm missing some settings.
 
MrCrispy said:
I'm really unhappy with Google's apparent lack of interest in Voice, carrier integration or SMS etc.

Hangouts is nice but confusing and not very useful. Talk is now gone. Hangouts now shows all my Google contacts, along with Circles, and I don't care for that. I tried to start a video chat with someone else who just have a regular Google account, and they never got it. Since I use gtalk a lot to keep in touch with my family who are far away (we video chat over wifi) this is a deal breaker. Maybe I'm missing some settings.
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Your family members have Google+ accounts?

I think you may need them for it to all work. Make sure you add each other into your circles
 
Zorachus said:
To me it sounds like next year 2014, will be the big advance for smartphones, this year has just been updates, nothing radically new really. We got the Samsung Galaxy S4 which is great and all, but not radically different than the S3. Apple bringing out the iPhone 5S in September, rumored to be an updated iPhone 5, but nothing radically new. Windows Phone 9 delayed to next year, just some minor updates coming this Fall, to current models. And Google, looks to be delaying Android 5.0 to the new year as well.

Rumors I hear for 2014;

- iPhone 6, totally brand new phone design, larger screen.

- Samsung Galaxy S5 is rumored to be a major change, with future tech never before seen in a smartphone, whole new design process, new screen technology, and radically updated and changed Touchwiz.

- Windows Phone 9 due in Spring / Summer next year, completely new hardware, and big OS update.

- Android 5.0 being all new and big update, pushed back to the new year, possibly this Fall.

Seems like smartphones from 2012 and 2013 pretty much the same, just minor hardware updates as expected, but end of the day an S3 to S4 isn't major, an iPhone 5 to 5S nothing major. From the rumors I read, it sounds like next year will bring advancements, big time.
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Maybe correct here. End of 2012 and 2013 are snore fest for smartphones. Havent been so uninterested in phones ever. I hope 2014 brings something new to the table so I can get excited again.

MrCrispy said:
I'm really unhappy with Google's apparent lack of interest in Voice, carrier integration or SMS etc.

Hangouts is nice but confusing and not very useful. Talk is now gone. Hangouts now shows all my Google contacts, along with Circles, and I don't care for that. I tried to start a video chat with someone else who just have a regular Google account, and they never got it. Since I use gtalk a lot to keep in touch with my family who are far away (we video chat over wifi) this is a deal breaker. Maybe I'm missing some settings.
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This. I love iMessage and Facetime. Easiest way to chat with family ever. Group Messaging is amazing and its the only reason I have kept my iPhone 5 for so long. Voice sucks hard.
 
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I believe that the Intel bay trail will probably be the most exciting thing for phones since I guess the original iPhone. That's coming year end and release early next year. Here's to hoping that Intel get its software defined radio working by that time because carriers will demand it.

Every preview I've seen on it makes it ridiculously powerful and more efficient than anything we have today. And this also means x86 is back.

Microsoft needs to jump on this wagon as soon as possible.
 
MrCrispy said:
I'm really unhappy with Google's apparent lack of interest in Voice, carrier integration or SMS etc.

Hangouts is nice but confusing and not very useful. Talk is now gone. Hangouts now shows all my Google contacts, along with Circles, and I don't care for that. I tried to start a video chat with someone else who just have a regular Google account, and they never got it. Since I use gtalk a lot to keep in touch with my family who are far away (we video chat over wifi) this is a deal breaker. Maybe I'm missing some settings.
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Indeed. Hangouts is pretty much the same as talk, I don't any difference between them. Circles are overrated, most people don't care about it. Missing Google Voice integration, SMS support, etc. This is a let down.
 
Android 4.3 and new Nexus 7 arriving in July
http://www.androidauthority.com/rumor-android-4-3-new-nexus-7-july-211300/

This is what I find strange about Google I/O this week, it seemed so underwhelming, missing big announcements like the expected 4.3 update and new Nexus tablet, and I thought there was an Android version of iMessage coming out too, not this "Hangouts" thing.

So now these big releases are due in July supposedly, why weren't they ready for Google I/O ? Without 4.3 and the new Nexus tablet announcement or at least previews of them, made I/O seem out of place. Would be like Apple having their annual June event when they announce the new iOS version, but then not actually mention the new iOS whatsoever, just some new apps only.
 
If you try to call a person with GTalk installed from Hangouts, it doesn't work. And Hangouts has critical missing features :-

- no way to see who's online/offline
- no way to call a local phone number
- your 'contacts' list contains everyone you ever emailed etc. No way to filter it.
- is not a standalone app but needs Chrome, its just an extension

I mean really, they could've just improved GTalk which millions already use, instead of forcing everyone into G+/Circles crap and then removing features.

Google will NEVER have the level of integration and ease of use iMessage has had for years now. All they do is adding yet more services and api's instead of simplifying.
 
Zorachus said:
Android 4.3 and new Nexus 7 arriving in July
http://www.androidauthority.com/rumor-android-4-3-new-nexus-7-july-211300/

This is what I find strange about Google I/O this week, it seemed so underwhelming, missing big announcements like the expected 4.3 update and new Nexus tablet, and I thought there was an Android version of iMessage coming out too, not this "Hangouts" thing.

So now these big releases are due in July supposedly, why weren't they ready for Google I/O ? Without 4.3 and the new Nexus tablet announcement or at least previews of them, made I/O seem out of place. Would be like Apple having their annual June event when they announce the new iOS version, but then not actually mention the new iOS whatsoever, just some new apps only.
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There is no need to have a flashy Nexus 7 announcement. Google is not Apple. Android 4.2 was released buggy. I'd much prefer them make sure 4.3 is ready.

Hangouts IS iMessage. It just isn't complete. Earlier today Google confirmed that Hangouts is replacing the G+ messenger as well. The hold up for that is they have to have a way to migrate the history from G+ Messenger to Hangouts. They've already confirmed SMS integration is coming and it appears that Google Voice integration is coming too.

I/O is a developers conference. Not a lets show off what we are going to sell in the future conference. Have you bothered to look at all the new API's Google has introduced and wondered why they're tying everything to Google services? I'm guessing you haven't because you clearly missed the biggest point of this I/O. Not to mention the giant ass slap across Amazon's face.

All of those amazing new API's create a dependence in Android on Google. This is a superset of API's that REQUIRE Google services to be there. That means more revenue for Google. This also means that the platform SDK can be extended without having to worry about what Android version a device is running. Google no longer has to worry whether or not the OEM is pushing an update. Hear that? Fragmentation disappears!

The people hurt most by this are those who want to fork Android for their own projects like Amazon. There have been plenty of rumors of Samsung creating their own fork of Android. Well that idea is probably DOA now.

If you want to control the entire ecosystem and get all the revenue from said ecosystem you fork Android, give nothing back to the project, and close it off like Amazon did while adding Bing as the default search. Guess what? Now Google is back in it and has a revenue stream back in Amazon and there isn't a damn thing Amazon can do about it. How do you think Jeff Bezos is feeling today? ;)

The big winners here? Developers. They an now create cross-platform apps that use these API's and they are guaranteed they are there regardless of the OS and with that Google gets to laugh all the way to the bank.

MrCrispy said:
If you try to call a person with GTalk installed from Hangouts, it doesn't work. And Hangouts has critical missing features :-

- no way to see who's online/offline
- no way to call a local phone number
- your 'contacts' list contains everyone you ever emailed etc. No way to filter it.
- is not a standalone app but needs Chrome, its just an extension

I mean really, they could've just improved GTalk which millions already use, instead of forcing everyone into G+/Circles crap and then removing features.

Google will NEVER have the level of integration and ease of use iMessage has had for years now. All they do is adding yet more services and api's instead of simplifying.
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Online/Offline you're wrong. In app faded out picture means "offline/away". Bright means there. With the Chrome extension you get a little green line.

The rest I'm hoping they fix in the future but they sure aren't deal breakers for me. I'm enjoying Hangouts. /ponies to you all. :D
 
Zorachus said:
Android 4.3 and new Nexus 7 arriving in July
http://www.androidauthority.com/rumor-android-4-3-new-nexus-7-july-211300/

This is what I find strange about Google I/O this week, it seemed so underwhelming, missing big announcements like the expected 4.3 update and new Nexus tablet, and I thought there was an Android version of iMessage coming out too, not this "Hangouts" thing.

So now these big releases are due in July supposedly, why weren't they ready for Google I/O ? Without 4.3 and the new Nexus tablet announcement or at least previews of them, made I/O seem out of place. Would be like Apple having their annual June event when they announce the new iOS version, but then not actually mention the new iOS whatsoever, just some new apps only.
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Actually, I would say that without 4.3 and the Nexus tablet, Google I/O is returning to it's roots as a developer conference. In 2011 they announced HoneyComb update 3.1 and ICS, in 2012 they announced a bunch of hardware, but the three years prior to that there were no software nor hardware announcements during those Google I/O's. Not too comparable to Apple's launch events.
 
Neb said:
Actually, I would say that without 4.3 and the Nexus tablet, Google I/O is returning to it's roots as a developer conference. In 2011 they announced HoneyComb update 3.1 and ICS, in 2012 they announced a bunch of hardware, but the three years prior to that there were no software nor hardware announcements during those Google I/O's. Not too comparable to Apple's launch events.
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Good point, Google I/O is a "developers" conference at heart, and that's what they discussed this year.

I guess it's the "nexus" events in the Fall, are the ones I prefer, that show off the new annual phone release, with the new Android OS updates.
 
Zorachus said:
Good point, Google I/O is a developers conference at heart, and that's what they discussed this year.
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Correct, it's a developers conference. No quotes. :p It's nice when they release stuff, but you can't fault Google for focusing on developer items at a developer conference.
 
Got my invite to maps preview. It's noticeably quicker than the current version (not that the current version is slow by any means) and the directions system is quite slick. The little animations as you interact with the map are a nice touch as well.
 
Zorachus said:
A lot of reputable sites are reporting this. I guess everything is a rumor, until it's actually on sale in stores or online.

http://www.phonedog.com/2013/05/16/...amera-shy-by-posing-for-another-leaked-image/

http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...me-said-to-launch-june-10th-with-android-4-3/

http://phandroid.com/2013/05/16/white-nexus-4-android-43-jelly-bean-june/
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The problem with all those links is that they're reporting using androidandme.com as their source, with no separate confirmation of the rumor from a different site. Linking multiple sites that use the same source is exactly the same as linking the source. :p

CHANG3D said:
The most interesting is that link in the article:
http://androidandme.com/2013/05/opi...g-android-is-the-biggest-news-out-of-io-2013/

Google will update android without updating firmware... say what?!? Sweetness! Oh... it's just Google's apps... nvm.
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I actually found arstechnica's article written better.

If this week's announcements are any indication, there are three kinds of things that Google is going to be able to update without actually updating the core of Android: their back-end services (things like Knowledge Graph improvements), first-party apps like Gmail and Google Maps, and the API layer (the single sign-in improvements, Google game services). This doesn't cover every part of the OS, but it does cover the vast majority of the user-facing features.
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If there is one thing we learned at Google I/O this year, it's that what version of Android you're running no longer matters as much as it used to. This article does an OK job of explaining it:

http://www.androidcentral.com/new-google-play-services

Through Google's use of API's and the Play Store, they can now push whatever new feature they want to every Android phone - no matter what version it is.

If you don't believe me - look at your phones. There is now an icon for "Google Play Services" that includes Games, Hangouts, etc. - all installed automatically. If you look at your Google Account info, you will now see new entries for App Data and more. Google was able to add all of these android features without touching the SW on your device.

This is a game changer IMO - everyone's experience with Google Services will now be the same, no matter who is maintaining your SW. This should also chase the "fragmentation!!" dissenters away...for now.
 
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