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Good Receiver?

I am trying to do the same thing. The amp on my poor Klipsches isn't up to snuff anymore.

I had ordered a Denon AVR-1706, but for three weeks Dakmart wasn't able to ship me one. So I called and got them to split the difference with me on a 1609 - it looks like the same thing, except with HDMI (which I will likely never use). Though the lower model number does have me slightly wary.

My main requirements were that it was decent and that it could take a digital input of some kind, saving me from having to buy a sound card with better DACs right off the bat. Once I get it, I'll use it with the Klipsch sats and sub until I can afford to replace them.

Anyway, my receiver should arrive next week, so I'll let you know how it goes!
 
neither the 1609 or that pioneer would be a bad choice, both have decent enough amplifiers to drive the 8ohm klipsch speakers, just don't try to hook up some 4ohm units, or expect them to drive 100Wch all channels, and all is good
 
Would it be worth it to spend an extra bill for a onkyo unit or would it just be overkill? Like I said it will only be used for my computer and music is my main focus
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
I had ordered a Denon AVR-1706, but for three weeks Dakmart wasn't able to ship me one. So I called and got them to split the difference with me on a 1609 - it looks like the same thing, except with HDMI (which I will likely never use). Though the lower model number does have me slightly wary.
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The last digit in Denon product models is the model's year.
The first #'s are the product line (somewhat)
So, 1706 vs 1609, the 17 is one tiny step up from the 16, but the 16 is 3 years newer, thus has a few more features that are well worth picking it.
The 1609 is an excellent choice and could power some really high-end audiophile speakers, so it'll handle your Klipsch promedia speakers with ease and they'll sound about as good as they possibly could. The receiver definitely won't be the bottle-neck in the system anyways, so don't worry.
 
FRZ said:
For just playing music and some games how does this receiver sound? Any other recommendation?
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Don't know about this Pioneer. Not sure you can use your Klipsch sub with a recever.
I got Yamaha HTR-6030 to use with my old Klipsch 4.1 speakers. It turned that Klipsch speakers had 2Ω resistance while the receiver had only settings for 4Ω and 8Ω. After all it turned that they did not sound as good as a 5.1 speaker set I got a bit later.
 
ashmelev75 said:
Don't know about this Pioneer. Not sure you can use your Klipsch sub with a recever.
I got Yamaha HTR-6030 to use with my old Klipsch 4.1 speakers. It turned that Klipsch speakers had 2Ω resistance while the receiver had only settings for 4Ω and 8Ω. After all it turned that they did not sound as good as a 5.1 speaker set I got a bit later.
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I went ahead and ordered the pioneer, I have always loved their stuff (kuuurrooooo). I wont be using my old Klipsch promedia ultra sub with this unit, but I will be buying a Sub like the Klipsch Sub-10/12 or something similar. Would those subs work with this unit and just the 5 Klipsch satellites.
 
FRZ said:
Would it be worth it to spend an extra bill for a onkyo unit or would it just be overkill? Like I said it will only be used for my computer and music is my main focus
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FRZ said:
I went ahead and ordered the pioneer, I have always loved their stuff (kuuurrooooo). I wont be using my old Klipsch promedia ultra sub with this unit, but I will be buying a Sub like the Klipsch Sub-10/12 or something similar. Would those subs work with this unit and just the 5 Klipsch satellites.
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theres nothing "Better" about Onkyo as a brand, just a competitor to Pioneer and Denon, at various price points, they all have competitive stuff

I'd honestly have no issues with the Pioneer

as far as the impedance goes, the ProMedia sats are 8ohms (as measured with my DMM), and run fine as such

the Sub 10 would be a good match, thats actually what Klipsch sold as the package (the ProMedia sats were re-branded as Quintet II at a time, for home theatre, and packaged with the Sub 10/12)
 
While I'm sure the promedia speakers are fine, you want to be careful about using a DMM to try and measure speaker impedance. What your DMM actually measures is DC resistance. That is not what an amplifier has to deal with, it deals with AC impedance, which is related but not the same thing. AC impedance varies with frequency response. For example here's the impedance curve for my SVS speakers. The dark line is impedance (the light one is phase):

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Notice that it is as high as 9 ohms, and as low as 3 ohms.

So in terms of speaker ratings, they summarize that as a nominal impedance, which is more or less the normal impedance over most of the bandwidth, in particular at low frequencies, since those need more power and thus load the amp harder. These speakers you would call 4 ohm nominal, maybe 6 ohm nominal.

At any rate, just worth knowing that what you measure at DC resistance you aren't necessarily going to get the same result. Depends on how the speakers, in particular their crossovers, are built.
 
Sycraft said:
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you know, I figured it would be assumed that a DMM measurement is not the same as a proper audio analyzer, and that impedance can never be stated as a static absolute

obviously without fancy graphics and a plucky attitude, its impossible for me to know this information though
 
obobski said:
obviously without fancy graphics and a plucky attitude, its impossible for me to know this information though
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Seriously man, what is your issue? Most people on this board are not trying to be hostile, yet any time anyone disagrees with you, or trys to provide you with information you perhaps weren't aware of, you get mad and/or condescending. What's your problem?

I was just trying to inform you that DC resistance isn't the same as AC impedance. This is something plenty of people don't know. I was then further trying to show that by measuring DC resistance and assuming that is the speaker rating could be problematic.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to ensure you don't some day overload an amp because you took a measurement and incorrectly inferred what it meant.

I don't see the reason to get defensive just because someone has more information to add. After all, I though most of us here were tech heads and as such were plenty interested in learning new things about technology.

I'm not trying to pick fights, be mean, look down on you, I'm just trying to be helpful.
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
Have any recommendations for me?
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As with anything audio, the question would be "What's your price range?" You don't have to nail down a specific number, but a general range. There's just too wide a price variance out there to make a general recommendation.
 
LST:

It also depends on where you live. Sometimes, locally produced speakers can be a _lot_ cheaper, and generally, a lot of smaller brands don't have worldwide distribution. I love and adore Dali speakers, for instance, but that's partly because they're produced practically next door by comparison to other brands...

You can't really go wrong with B&W as audiophile speakers go, that's what I hear. But expect them to be expensive, perhaps even overpriced, and I think you need to look at the low end for 8Ohm, if they even make them...

You also need to consider size. Bigger is often better within the same price range, once you get to a certain level of quality.

Also, consider used speakers. That generally means more research, but if you have the time and energy, rewards be bountiful.
 
I have a similar dilema.
I have a Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 set, the Sub/Amp has been repaired twice and finally gave up on me.

I ordered this:http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/538410594/yamaha-rxv365bl

and am planning on some sort of acceptable Subwoofer.

Now my needs here aren't great, this will be used to provide sound to my gaming computer and XBox 360..........no concert hall audio.

I wrote Klipsch to make sure the ProMedia satellites were 8 ohm before I bought anything.

I have a more expensive Yamaha Receiver for my HomeTheater sound and it has been rock solid, that's why I chose the entry-level Yamaha for the computer.

I'm looking for suggestions on a good-cheap subwoofer.............fire away.:D
 
You realize if you rip out the amp on your ProMedia sub, there are leads where you can connect your sub to a receiver just like one of your sats, right?

Whether or not this is something worth your time is something I will not know until I get my receiver. But I know the leads are there, dangling and ready.
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
You realize if you rip out the amp on your ProMedia sub, there are leads where you can connect your sub to a receiver just like one of your sats, right?

Whether or not this is something worth your time is something I will not know until I get my receiver. But I know the leads are there, dangling and ready.
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hmmm....I've been wondering if this is possible...well more so a good idea, I'm sure it's possible. I've ripped the amp out a few times for repair issues.
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
You realize if you rip out the amp on your ProMedia sub, there are leads where you can connect your sub to a receiver just like one of your sats, right?

Whether or not this is something worth your time is something I will not know until I get my receiver. But I know the leads are there, dangling and ready.
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Thing is most receivers don't provide an amplified sub channel. Since nearly all HT subs have built in amps these days, receivers just provide a line level output for the sub. You also don't really want to be connecting a sub to a different channel since things like bass management redirect to the special sub channel.

So if you intend to use an unpowered sub with a receiver, you'll either need to buy an external amp, or make sure you get a receiver with a powered sub output. An external amp costs money, of course. As for a receiver with a powered sub channel, well I don't know where you'd get one. None of the major brands have that feature, even on their expensive receivers.
 
Sycraft said:
Thing is most receivers don't provide an amplified sub channel. Since nearly all HT subs have built in amps these days, receivers just provide a line level output for the sub. You also don't really want to be connecting a sub to a different channel since things like bass management redirect to the special sub channel.

So if you intend to use an unpowered sub with a receiver, you'll either need to buy an external amp, or make sure you get a receiver with a powered sub output. An external amp costs money, of course. As for a receiver with a powered sub channel, well I don't know where you'd get one. None of the major brands have that feature, even on their expensive receivers.
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You are correct.
The SUB on the Klipsch Promedia is powered by the built-in AMP, amp no-workee,sub no workee.
It would be nice if you could just reconnect the Sub to the receiver and be done with it, but it won't work.....unless you could salvage just the Subwoofer amplifier from the thing......
I'm not going to mess with that, this Klipsch has served me well, and has been able to be repaired twice, but it's terminal this time and time to move on.
I don't need anything overly expensive, my stuff is in a small room way deep in the basement, and my wife yells at me if it's too loud anyway.:D
 
You can use another amp to power the sub, dont get one more powerful than the speakers rating.
 
you can easily use an external amp for the sub...I believe the term monoblock amp should yeild you something to power a mono channel, which is exactly what a sub channel is. So don't sweat it - no need to get something new unless you want something better =]
 
Aemsere said:
you can easily use an external amp for the sub...I believe the term monoblock amp should yeild you something to power a mono channel, which is exactly what a sub channel is. So don't sweat it - no need to get something new unless you want something better =]
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you'd need to buy a new amp, at minimum, which is around $100 (to buy an actual sub plate amp, over an external mono amp, this way you don't get a big gaping hole in the back of the sub, check PE), this could save you a few bucks, but a new sub probably isn't a ton more cash than a plate amp

a number of somewhat rare receivers (a few Kenwood's come to mind) have sub amp outputs, these are somewhat different from pure HTIB boxes, but fairly close, so no idea what you'll be looking at in terms of modernity or features
 
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