Going nuts...(stuttering)

[AlexStenka]

Ok so the other day i turned on my PC and all my games were stuttering. I went ahead and got myself a top of the line seasonic psu to replace the cheap one i was running. But the stuttering is still there. The only way it does not happen is if I lock the fps at 60. If it goes over or under 60 I get horrible stutter no matter what. I my card going bad or is it my Asrock board.

This is a new build btw.

card is a gtx570 classified edition.

 

[murkris118]

I also have the same issue. The lag when the fps goes below 60 even 59 for that matter is just immediately noticeable. 61 also gives me horrible tearing on all games. Mine is a 680 by the way, Any help would be appreciated... rig on sig.... Could a mobo create this issue because I man handled my mobo once when I setup the rig for the first time and I accidentally left a dent on the mobo near the PCI-e slot when I was securing the lock on my Graphics card with a screw driver, it slipped and dented the circuitry that is visible from the top on the PCB.

 

[Ali Man]

This certainly is new, although I'm not sure that what made you actually go ahead replace the PSU. Even thought it's a good upgrade, but I was just saying for the sake of stuttering.

 

[AlexStenka]

I'm getting this prob on my i7 platform and on a whole different PC running a AMD chip with a gts250 i swapped the cards in the 2 systems and i still have the same problem. This never use to happen till a few days ago. I reformated both rigs and they both do it. Its driving me crazy.

What made me replace it is the fact that I have to start somewhere. Asking people for suggestions ain't my thing cuz lot of the times they dont work. But idk what else to do.

 

[Domingo]

I know in my case, the last two PC builds I've had have had this problem - both of them are i7's (920 and now a 3770K) running Win7 x64.
It's been an issue with both AMD and Nvidia hardware, too.
After delving around, it seems like it happens in most cases when your monitor has an oddball reporting rate. Instead of 60hz, it's really 61hz or 60.5hz and that's what's causing the problem. At least that's the only common thread I can seem to find beyond it might be an x64 issue.
In terms of a fix, I just keep MSI Afterburner on all of the time. It has an internal frame limiter (just use the "Global" setting in the OSD program) which can essentially fix this issue across the board.
It works well enough for me.

 

[AlexStenka]

I know in my case, the last two PC builds I've had have had this problem - both of them are i7's (920 and now a 3770K) running Win7 x64.
It's been an issue with both AMD and Nvidia hardware, too.
After delving around, it seems like it happens in most cases when your monitor has an oddball reporting rate. Instead of 60hz, it's really 61hz or 60.5hz and that's what's causing the problem. At least that's the only common thread I can seem to find beyond it might be an x64 issue.
In terms of a fix, I just keep MSI Afterburner on all of the time. It has an internal frame limiter (just use the "Global" setting in the OSD program) which can essentially fix this issue across the board.
It works well enough for me.

I'm running a 3770 myself i want to get to the bottom of this. will try.

 

[Domingo]

Afterburner is an awesome program. In addition to setting a universal max FPS, it lets you monitor and overclock your video card, too. Ever since I started using it, my PC gaming experience has been much, much better.
I ended up going into the OSD program and deleted all of the settings except "global" which I then set to 60FPS. From there I set it to start with Windows and that's that. Just set it and forget it if you want, or you can try different values for different programs if you like. Both work fine.

 

[Dallows]

Afterburner is an awesome program. In addition to setting a universal max FPS, it lets you monitor and overclock your video card, too. Ever since I started using it, my PC gaming experience has been much, much better.
I ended up going into the OSD program and deleted all of the settings except "global" which I then set to 60FPS. From there I set it to start with Windows and that's that. Just set it and forget it if you want, or you can try different values for different programs if you like. Both work fine.

There are some compatibility issues though. For example I couldn't run it with Borderlands 2 while using the SMAA injector. It also used to cause me to get kicked from Bad Company 2 games because of punkbuster.

 

[AlexStenka]

There are some compatibility issues though. For example I couldn't run it with Borderlands 2 while using the SMAA injector. It also used to cause me to get kicked from Bad Company 2 games because of punkbuster.

Thing is even if I do that when GPS goes under I get stutter

 

[Deleted member 222586]

Do you play with vsync on or off? Also, it would be important to see your actual FPS... to analyze whether there are micro-dips in framerate and, thus, if that is the problem.

You should use fraps and capture the "frametimes" as a log. Once done, you can use that information with MS Excel, sort it out, and check what the frame-times look.

 

[AlexStenka]

checked all that with fraps. vsync on or off when FPS goes under 60 I get stutter when vsync is off and I get 80 I still get stutter when it's at 60 vsync or not no stutter.

 

[AlexStenka]

anymore ideas? im thinking its the monitor problem since i am on a hdtv, but i hooked it up to my other hdtv and it still does it. Maybe i just need to get a real monitor. But i love my 32 inch lol.

 

[Anticommon]

anymore ideas? im thinking its the monitor problem since i am on a hdtv, but i hooked it up to my other hdtv and it still does it. Maybe i just need to get a real monitor. But i love my 32 inch lol.

I'm not sure if TV's are necessarily well equipped to handle frames that aren't 'normal' video-content frame-rates. (24, 30, 60fps). Might be something to look in to.

 

[evilsofa]

After delving around, it seems like it happens in most cases when your monitor has an oddball reporting rate. Instead of 60hz, it's really 61hz or 60.5hz and that's what's causing the problem. At least that's the only common thread I can seem to find beyond it might be an x64 issue.

You mean the Windows 7 59Hz issue? If so, those of you having this problem might want to try this:

- Go to Nvidia Control Panel
- Go to Add resolution
- Create Custom Resolution
- Click on Timing
- Click on Manual
- Set refresh rate to 60.001 Hz
- Press Test
- Restart Windows

No idea if this what you are all suffering from, but it's not hard to try it.

 

[AlexStenka]

You mean the Windows 7 59Hz issue? If so, those of you having this problem might want to try this:

- Go to Nvidia Control Panel
- Go to Add resolution
- Create Custom Resolution
- Click on Timing
- Click on Manual
- Set refresh rate to 60.001 Hz
- Press Test
- Restart Windows

No idea if this what you are all suffering from, but it's not hard to try it.

I'm gone try this thanx, this is what my problem is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgM2O8Ci4SU&feature=related when i got over 60 or under 60 this happens say im getting 70 fps it will stutter but when i get 60 its smooth when it drops under 60 i get the same effect (stutter). I did try to change my refresh rate from 60 to 59 to see if it would help but same problem. But i will try to make a custom rez with refresh rate of 60.001 or w/e.

Well insane amout of people are having this problem on youtube vid comment section and no one can figure out a fix people rebuild their pcs with the stuttering still there.

 

[Domingo]

Weird. Seems like your problem is different than mine, although we're both on TV's. My stuttering was happening with 2 different TV models (Sony and Samsung) and I even tried VGA just for the hell of it. Afterburner was my salvation - but you might try that 60.0001hz trick. I've used a similar trick to finally make Crysis work without reverting to 24hz.

 

[thesecond]

To everybody: Did you install the most recent beta drivers? Have you checked your global nvidia settings to ensure that vsync is not enabled?

Seriously, I have noticed that the beta drivers tend to put in settings that i didn't consent to. Double check them yo.

 

[AlexStenka]

I'm guessing a Windows update caused the issue (if you have Windows update set to Auto). KB2753842 broke the fonts in CorelDRAW (something to do with how the memory is allocated for the font). Uninstalling the update fixes the issue (in CorelDRAW). I'm not sure what OS you are running; I'm assuming Windows 7.

Now, I'm not saying that it is 100% related, but it's entirely possible that a KB patch was released that caused the issue, especially if it just started happening and it is happening on TWO different machines / configurations.

Is your Windows update set to auto update? You may want to try rolling back your PC to prior to this Tuesday's patches. If you really really want to troubleshoot, you can rebuild the OS and not install the updates and see if the issue happens. Then, install the updates one at a time to figure out which is causing the issue. It would certainly be a pain in the ass, but it would be a valid troubleshooting route. (You could also make a backup of your PC, then uninstall the most recent updates one by one.)

EDIT: It could also be video driver related since both machines use NVidia flavor cards.

I just reformated my i7 rig and played games with out installing any updates at all. Well in short my problem is still there. Maybe its always been there and I never noticed it. But then again I play games like 6 hours a day, so I would think i'd notice it. I wish I had a monitor to try. I think I might take my PC to my parents house to try it on their monitor. My pops just got a nice ASUS monitor.

I also tried all the recent drivers, going back as far as 301.24>310.70. Plus I spent hours in the CP to try to see if it was a setting I was missing. I even shut of my HPET (High Precision Event Timer) in the bios. OO yeah lets not forget the unparked cores.

Also messing with the refresh rate seems to make my tearing go down a lot, but all my colors get messed up, everything becomes dark. But I'm willing to try anything at this point. Thanx guys

PS: I even flashed my z77 Extreme4 bios to 2.70. Thats the newest bios for that board.

 

[murkris118]

Report immediately if you have any solutions to this issue. I have another monitor but its 1680 x 1050 so I cannot possibly find any game that would tax my 680 at that res to get frame rates below 60 or above 60 with Vsync enabled but I`ll give it a try.

 

[AlexStenka]

I sure will. Its driving me mad.

 

[demowhc]

Sometimes I have to use a 59fps cap @ 60hz with vsync enabled, and without vsync I use a 125fps cap, you could also try 62 and 66.

 

[murkris118]

I sure will. Its driving me mad.

Yeah, it does. Because of this I am having to lower graphical settings in-game in some heavy games to keep the fps at 60 and never drop or exceed. To me even 50 fps seems like 30 on my rig... I guess you are experiencing the same issue?. What on earth could it be I wonder... ...

 

[AlexStenka]

Yeah, it does. Because of this I am having to lower graphical settings in-game in some heavy games to keep the fps at 60 and never drop or exceed. To me even 50 fps seems like 30 on my rig... I guess you are experiencing the same issue?. What on earth could it be I wonder... ...

I been doing research and I think i read somewhere that someone said FERMI chips have this problem. IDK what to think cuz my gts250 does it too. Is it a nvidia only thing? Thats the exact same problem I'm having btw.

 

[murkris118]

I been doing research and I think i read somewhere that someone said FERMI chips have this problem. IDK what to think cuz my gts250 does it too. Is it a nvidia only thing? Thats the exact same problem I'm having btw.

Have you tried swapping mobo`s just to get that out of the equation because that is what is common if you have the same problem with two graphics cards. I have only one so I cant try a different one. I know my 680 is not the issue because benchmarks say otherwise. My overcclocked TOP pummels everything you throw at it benchmark wise, my issue has only been games.

 

[AlexStenka]

Have you tried swapping mobo`s just to get that out of the equation because that is what is common if you have the same problem with two graphics cards. I have only one so I cant try a different one. I know my 680 is not the issue because benchmarks say otherwise. My overcclocked TOP pummels everything you throw at it benchmark wise, my issue has only been games.

Thing is this happens to me on my AMD and i7 rig what are the chances of 2 different setup doing the same thing. I did swap the cards in both for a day and had the same problem. Today I'm going to try a monitor. I wish I had AMD/ATI card to try.

 

[AlexStenka]

Is this not happening to anyone else? I don't know what to do should i get a new cpu.

 

[-PK-]

Horrible Unplayable Stutter. Usually what you describe happens when un-polished games use Multicore Rendering (cpu). There are certain things that can be split up, and if done incorrectly the cores spend too much time waiting on eachother. Disabling it will smooth out the framerate.

Small microstutter. can be caused by the way the game uses a raw input device without thresholds/smoothing. Test using a controller? Or rendering 60 Hz (60 frames) at the cmos clockrate of 64 Hz (1/64th of a second), and 4 frames are displayed twice. Bad console ports can do both of these.

 

[AlexStenka]

Horrible Unplayable Stutter. Usually what you describe happens when un-polished games use Multicore Rendering (cpu). There are certain things that can be split up, and if done incorrectly the cores spend too much time waiting on eachother. Disabling it will smooth out the framerate.

Small microstutter. can be caused by the way the game uses a raw input device without thresholds/smoothing. Test using a controller? Or rendering 60 Hz (60 frames) at the cmos clockrate of 64 Hz (1/64th of a second), and 4 frames are displayed twice. Bad console ports can do both of these.

will do thanx dude. gone hook up my 360 controller.

 

[AlexStenka]

I'm still having the issue could both of my cards be bad? I feel like I'm ready to build a whole new pc all over again i cant take the stutter it ruins gaming for me. I swapped ram today in the 2 rigs same problem. Thinking of getting a AMD card to try.

 

[murkris118]

I'm still having the issue could both of my cards be bad? I feel like I'm ready to build a whole new pc all over again i cant take the stutter it ruins gaming for me. I swapped ram today in the 2 rigs same problem. Thinking of getting a AMD card to try.

Have you tried running benchmarks on your card?... do the scores look normal to you?. Have you tried changing monitors?

 

[AlexStenka]

Have you tried running benchmarks on your card?... do the scores look normal to you?. Have you tried changing monitors?

tried everything. 3 monitors.

 

[-PK-]

Microstutter cant be fixed if it's in the game's code. With the exception using a frame limiter at a very minimum fps, or turning off vsync and accepting tearing. There are some games that I will not play because of it. Which games are you having trouble with? You can also try reverting back to much older drivers.

 

[murkris118]

Microstutter cant be fixed if it's in the game's code. With the exception using a frame limiter at a very minimum fps, or turning off vsync and accepting tearing. There are some games that I will not play because of it. Which games are you having trouble with? You can also try reverting back to much older drivers.

Yeah I know that but the lag I am getting is not like any. I am pretty sure 30 fps on your rig will be totally different from 30 fps on mine. As I said before I have seen youtube videos of games running at 30 fps and mine seems to be much more laggy at the same frame rate or it could be a placebo. I dont know. Its definitely not microstutter I am experiencing, its actual lag.

 

[AlexStenka]

Yeah I know that but the lag I am getting is not like any. I am pretty sure 30 fps on your rig will be totally different from 30 fps on mine. As I said before I have seen youtube videos of games running at 30 fps and mine seems to be much more laggy at the same frame rate or it could be a placebo. I dont know. Its definitely not microstutter I am experiencing, its actual lag.

Thats what I get lag when panning the camera. I guess i kinda confuse the too sometimes but i do stutter too.

 

[murkris118]

Thats what I get lag when panning the camera. I guess i kinda confuse the too sometimes but i do stutter too.

The stutter is pretty much due to drivers. Nvidia`s drivers have been crap for the latest gen cards. Stutter is there in almost all the drivers till date. The only one in which stutter was not there was 304.48. Give it a try.

 

[AlexStenka]

The stutter is pretty much due to drivers. Nvidia`s drivers have been crap for the latest gen cards. Stutter is there in almost all the drivers till date. The only one in which stutter was not there was 304.48. Give it a try.

i sure will thanx.i went back as far as 296.10 and still got stutter.

 

[Domingo]

If the OP's stutter is anything like mine, I don't think it's drivers. In my case, I had/have it with both ATI and Nvidia hardware.
I honestly think it's something related to either a quad core processor or Windows x64. Those are the two things I swapped to when mine started doing it.
His description of it mainly being camera related definitely mirror my experiences.
While Afterburners FPS limiter being set to 60 work for me, I'm almost thinking you might try using it, but going with settings like 59, 61, etc. It seems to even take fractions of a frame, so you could try 60.125 or something similar.

 

[murkris118]

Could you be more clear in what should be done regarding the frame limiter. I did not understand your previous post.

 

[Acoustique]

Running SLI 680's and got a much nicer experience setting the windows refresh to 59

 

[AlexStenka]

guys frame limiter does me no good when the game grops under 60 which bf3 does i get the wierd camera stutter. frame limiter only prevents it from going over. But as soon as one frame dips i get it. I even installed a 32bit win 7. I'm starting to think its my CPU too, but 2 CPUs one the AMD Phenom 1090t in my sig and another is a i7 3770k. Frame limiting does nothing for me, unless its a old game like CS that will never drop under 60 lol. So what did you do to fix it OP? Replace CPU?

And like the OP said that my problems are mirroring his. They sure are, its a camera panning thing. Vsync just makes it worse. If my games never dropped under 60 well then this would not be a problem. But new games still do, so my problem is there.

But I'm gone try the odd frames with after burner. I got EVGA-P right now which doesn't allow that. Guys I tried everything besides getting a new CPU.