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Going intel need help

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I am going to upgrade from my 965 to either a 2600k or a 3770k. I have a Hyper 212 evo for cooling. I am a gamer but will only be using a single monitor so I am not concerned about multi gpu"s. I am concerned about overclocking potential and realise that the motherboard is a huge factor for this. I do not need a gazillion i/o ports. Which cpu should I go for and please recomend a decent board that won't break the bank but will give me good overclocking potential. Also, I believe you can run a 2600k on a board with a z77 chipset....is this correct? Thanks in advance for any help, I am not a complete noob, just always had AMD. Oh this is going into a haf 932 advanced case.
 
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Z77 can use the sandy/ivy chips not the E versions of them, in this case, z77 can use either 2500k/2600k 3570k/3770k.

I would go for a 2500k or 2600k as they generally are better overclockers on average, the 2500k is still a sweet chip to this day in regards to overclocking, features, performance.

If it is strictly for gaming purposes, then a 2500k with an ASUS or MSI Z77 based board will be fine, 8gb ddr3@1600 speed with tight timings would work very well for you.

There is alot of motherboards that are very recomended, so its hard to nail out a specific one overall.

As for the 3770k, not that it wouldn`t find use for single gpu performance, but, for the $ spent and the performance given, I would say 2500k/2600k or 3570k would be the better picks, the extra cores/performance/cost at least as far as the benchmarks I have seen as well as overclocking performance, the 3770k is really aligned to "work" type uses and multi-gpu performance for the most part, but to each thier own.
 
Thanks for the suggestion of the 3570k, I am looking for the most bang for the buck not a bleeding edge system. The Egg has a combo with a Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H for $380.
My future upgrade path is to add an SSD in the spring, up the ram to 32gb when I catch a good sale and a new GPU next fall....most likely a 680. I won't be looking at upgrading the board and cpu for at least three more years. Anyone got any thoughts?
 
I think that is probably the best bet, you`ll get alot of bang for buck this way, and a nice SSD with a good gpu you`ll be all set.

and 32gb of ram is ALOT, unless you need it of course. The motherboard should get you at least 1 upgrade patth for cpu in the future if you choose to do so 1-2yrs down. The gpu will not be a 680 by then, it will be a 700 series for Nvidia and a 8k or 9k from AMD, lots to look forward to :)
 
I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as too much ram and it is cheap these days. I'll wait till I see a good discoumt on some low profile sticks with tighter timing and higher clocks than what I have.
I pulled the trigger on the combo deal from the egg about an hour ago. Once again, thanks
 
I like Gskill ram, most of what they currently offer is low profile, good price, very stable, overclock freindly, thats why I continue to use them, used to be corsair, but I like Gskill better for ram, but thats just me.

Not a problem, ddr3 1600 with 9,9,9 or lower timings, 1.5v or less of course is also a good thing.
 
Thanks for the responses, I have ordered the 3570k/GA-Z77X-UD5H combo deal from the egg. Think I'll leave the Ram issue alone for now, 16Gb should be enough for my usage, but a 500Gb class ssd is next.
 
:p you must make good coin to be able to afford a 512gb ssd. I could work for you if you like :O

Glad to see you settled on a build, hope it works well for you. 16gb should be ample, unless you are very heavy into "work" ripping movies, game creation or such.
 
I made good money 8 years ago before i got laid off. Now I work a dead end third shift job for peanuts. I've been saving for a year to do this. I'll be putting any money I get for Xmas towards the SSD. I missed out on a Samsung 840 or an OCD vertex 4 500GB during the eggs Black Friday deals cause my birthday gift came the day after. They were on sale for $300. So I took the money I was allocating for the SSD and decided to upgrade my board and CPU instead.
 
I hear you, not many of us are "lucky" enough to have wicked paying jobs where we can splurge on whatever we want, and have to rely on keeping it good performing for as long as possible. I think you are doing it right though.

Most of my buddies will do every 2 years or so a new board/cpu following year new gpu, this way here it is constantly great perfoming, and when they need to , maybe every 3rd year or so, a new case, or swap out to better harddrives. It seems this way here, constant good performing, with new hardware going into it and making a new system every 3-4 years, better then having top of the line today and a year from now, finding out that you should have saved the big bucks for the fancy system for a new part that just came out :p

Different ways for different folks, but I think you are doing it the most reasonable way to do it, Im in the same boat as you though, got a good system for my needs, and it has to last as long as possible untill get "lucky" or find another road to take sorta speak, let us know how it performs for you :)
 
You could go crazy trying to keep up with advances in computer tech. There is always something new just around the corner. No sooner does something newer and faster come out then you start hearing about the even better stuff that is 6 months out. So at some point you have to say ...this is a real upgrade to what I have and it will carry me for a reasonable period of time before I will need to upgrade again. I used to buy complete systems till a friend turned me on to DIY. I have a good full tower case with lots of fans for good airflow and it has the space to hold more drives than I will ever use. There is not a single GPU that will not fit nor do I see any CPU heatsink that would give me a problem. The most demanding applications I run are games. Therefore my criteria for upgrades is simple..... will this system run the games I play with all the eye candy turned on at a high enough framerate to give me smooth gameplay and will it suffice for any games that will come out over the next couple of years. Right now my 6970 allows me to do so with the exeption of Ubersampling in the Witcher 2. I am upgrading the board and CPU now so that when I get a better GPU I will not be CPU limited. I believe this would be the case if I joined a 7970 or a 680 to the PhenomII 965.

With the holidays coming up I won't get around to installing the new board and CPU till the week after Christmas but I will post the results atfer it is up and running.
 
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Someone needs to make a "So you decided to switch from AMD to Intel? Read This!" sticky.
 
mrtheshaggy said:
Someone needs to make a "So you decided to switch from AMD to Intel? Read This!" sticky.
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while funny, I think that is a bad idea, no matter how good folks think Intel is vs how crud they think AMD is(popular opinion seems very biased even without knowing and seeing all the facts) we need AMD, to enforce switching from one to the next, it really is going to put a knife under all of our ribs.

Most of us do not have the big bucks we once may have had, and to go back to the prices we once had because there was NO competition, is something NO ONE should try to make happen. :(
 
Well I swapped out the boards and the CPU only to find that both of my DVD drives were IDE. There are no ports for them on the board. So I can't use the driver disc for the board. The system would'nt boot till I removed one of the hard drives and then it would crash constantly. Am I getting a conflict with legacy AMD drivers that are still on the drive?
I am currenty waiting for a sata optical drive to arrive so I can load the board drivers but it looks like I wil also have to do a clean install of windows.
 
umm, well generally you want to do a clean install whenever you switch major motherboards fro example a AMD series 790 to a series 990, but switching AMD to Intel that is def a mandatory thing to do, these use far different drivers for thier chipsets as well as 99% of time different baseline drivers for things such as Sata-usb and the like.

If you have a board that "natively" supports the cpu you have installed, then it shouldn`t constant crash, but, not having the right bios etc on the hard drive certainly is not helping anything :p
 
I'll have an optical drive tomorrow that is compatible with the board. After I install it I'll do a clean install of windows and then be able to load the board drivers from the disc. Not being able to use the two drives I had was not something I was prepared for. I did'nt have a clue. Guess I have enough knowledge to get me in trouble.
 
You could have always use a thumb drive to install windows and then put the drivers on the same drive. Then you wouldn't even need an optical drive. Just saying...lol...
 
if you wanted to keep using those drives, they do sell adapters that can transfer IDE to sata, most of them are only a few $, not pricey at all, and actually work quite well for IDE-sata for optical drive purposes.

But yeh, make sure to back up anything important you need, as a "clean" install is usually a full format to get the drive back to square 1 so you know that everything is gone from the drive, it sux putting it all back there, I have done this a few times :( but, unless you want to take the time to use acronis or something similar to keep what you do not want to lose, then it will be gone, unless, you want to keep a partition with the current information on the drive for your other hardware i.e dual boot type, but this makes things confusing and takes up space.

Step 1, install windows
step 2 change to AHCI mode if need be
step 3 reboot install drivers for chipset etc
step 4 reinstall games and such
step 5 temperature programs and such (openhardware monitor, heaven benchmark, LinX for testing temps)
step 6 enjoy your new system

as for the "Guess I have enough knowledge to get me in trouble." been there done that, its very cool to learn it all, and at least this way here, you can brush up on what you are not to familiar with, this is a great place for folks helping each other out :)
 
The system is now running and stable. Temps are very good, running 22 at idle. All components are recognized. The crashes seem to have been caused by the bios running Turbo on the ram by default. I switched it to normal and have'nt had a problem since. Manualy clocked the ram to 1600. I'll run the system at factory clocks for some burn in time for a while and most likely do some mild overclocking next week. I've already done a full backup to the secondary drive.

Thanks once again.
 
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Holy crap, this thing is a monster! Got it overclocked to 4.4 with no problems and temps in the low 60's while running my most demanding games. WEI shows 7.8 on cpu, 7.9 for ram and my gpu was already at 7.9 on the former Amd setup. Can't wait to get an SSD in this.
 
I just built a new comp in an 800D case and I went with the 3770K and an Asus Sabertooth. I couldn't be happier with both. I overclocked it to 4.2 ghtz with stock voltage and it will run prime95 for 8hrs+ and never get above 50 degrees. I aslo gamed all day yesterday with max settings and it never got above 40.
 
dragonstongue said:
Z77 can use the sandy/ivy chips not the E versions of them, in this case, z77 can use either 2500k/2600k 3570k/3770k.

I would go for a 2500k or 2600k as they generally are better overclockers on average, the 2500k is still a sweet chip to this day in regards to overclocking, features, performance.

If it is strictly for gaming purposes, then a 2500k with an ASUS or MSI Z77 based board will be fine, 8gb ddr3@1600 speed with tight timings would work very well for you.

There is alot of motherboards that are very recomended, so its hard to nail out a specific one overall.

As for the 3770k, not that it wouldn`t find use for single gpu performance, but, for the $ spent and the performance given, I would say 2500k/2600k or 3570k would be the better picks, the extra cores/performance/cost at least as far as the benchmarks I have seen as well as overclocking performance, the 3770k is really aligned to "work" type uses and multi-gpu performance for the most part, but to each thier own.
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I'm sorry, but what do you mean by "but not the E versions of them"? Is there a 2500E instead of a 2500K? New to intel, thanks for the info
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_i_Series_chipsets

from what I remember,
first gen 1156(i7 8xx series chips) socket 1366(9xx series i7 bloomfield as well as gulftown X58 is the board)
this was changed to socket 1155 for sandybridge(examples being i7 2xxx series and Z77 board) and socket 2011 for sandy bridge-E(i7 3xxx series and X79 as an example)

so I suppose to sum it up in a more clean fashion as I had said in that quote
-socket 1155/1156 would be generally considered non E class chips or non enthusiast/extreme whereas socket 1366/2011 would be used/considiered E class or enthusiast/extreme if that makes sence to you.

put it a differnet way, if you have alot of cash, are trying to chase records, have work to do that requires speed that extra cores/channels can provide, are a professional user/enthusiast that simply requires the most performance that can be had, well then the higher end chipsets are a very good proposition, for everyone else then the lower end chips will be just fine if you look into carefully what your needs are and what limitations this may pose.

Z77 can use non E versions what I tried to point out is Z77 can use 2600k/3570k/3770k but not the E versions or i7-3820 and whatever Ivy-e will be called possible i7 4xxx or something else.

I hope this all makes a bit of sence?
 
To the great people that gave me advice on this upgrade......thank you. The system is running great. I settled on a modest overclock of 4.2. This should be more than enough for my gaming applications. Max temps running Prime95 are in the low to mid 60's. I picked up a Samsung 840 500gb and installed it today. The installation went smooth as silk and I am loving the snappiness when I load a program. I am quite happy with the upgrade. The only thing left will be a new gpu after the next generation comes out. My 6970 handles everything I throw at it for now. After all, I'm, just running a single monitor at 1920x1080.
 
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