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God I hate being a web designer...

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rana

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I dont understand people....

So I do all of my web design with flash....when I started, the web sites I made sucked horrendous ass....I mean they were just terrible...but now that my brain has developed, I can put toghether some very pleasing sites...

However, people just dont understand simplicity any more. I like making flash websites because you can add a bit more interactivity with them but some of my clients just want to go overboard. They want the biggest highest quality pictures on the site but complain when it loads slow....Then they want wacky animation that makes it look like the website is for toys r us or something....

Apart from that, half these people think that others care about their website....no one gives a rats ass about your damn site...People dont want to be bombarded with dumb music or stupid flash introductions...they just want the damn information quickly and efficiently and if you can present that information in an asthetically pleasing manner...even better...

Sorry, Im just venting....I lost a big contract (which could have potentially propelled by small business to something bigger) because the contractee wanted a damn childish looking carbon copy of another website and I presented them with something else (read better)..... :rolleyes:
 
I got the same stuff with network/systems design.

"We want what those guys have..we have a 5,000 budget...we want all cisco and top of the line...that should be enough, right?"
 
rana said:
I dont understand people....

So I do all of my web design with flash....when I started, the web sites I made sucked horrendous ass....I mean they were just terrible...but now that my brain has developed, I can put toghether some very pleasing sites...

However, people just dont understand simplicity any more. I like making flash websites because you can add a bit more interactivity with them but some of my clients just want to go overboard. They want the biggest highest quality pictures on the site but complain when it loads slow....Then they want wacky animation that makes it look like the website is for toys r us or something....

Apart from that, half these people think that others care about their website....no one gives a rats ass about your damn site...People dont want to be bombarded with dumb music or stupid flash introductions...they just want the damn information quickly and efficiently and if you can present that information in an asthetically pleasing manner...even better...

Sorry, Im just venting....I lost a big contract (which could have potentially propelled by small business to something bigger) because the contractee wanted a damn childish looking carbon copy of another website and I presented them with something else (read better)..... :rolleyes:
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I hear you loud and clear. I've lost a few clients to that... and once or twice within a couple of weeks they came back "Hey, you know how you told us about less is more, simple is better, and how we can't do what we want cos it sucks? Yeah? We want that now."
Flash is great when used sparingly and for small enhancements. When you start getting more flash than anything, you have a serious problem.
They'll understand sooner or later. Probably later.
 
I'm no web designer, but it pisses me off to wade through flash animation after flash animation. I don't mind a pretty Flash menu or something for me to get to links faster, but bombarding me with CPU/browser lagging "effects" is a pain in the ass.

Fucking flash whores contributing to making the 'net a PITA to browse on older machines. I mean the really, really obnoxious flash ads with sounds and everything that add nothing to a website whatsoever.

At least newegg's ads here display useful animated content. "Hey, those items are on sale...I'm a go buy some!". Can't say the same for "ZOMG WHOSE LEGS ARE THESE LOLOL?".

...They're Angelina Jolie's.
 
Meh.... The biggest takeaway I remember from my web design class, other than building a customer-centric website was simplicity, simplicity, simplicity (ok three things LOL :p )

When in doubt, always use the tried and true KISS principle !!

I'm no web designer, but I've built my share. I hated Flash because 1) I'm a nOOb when it comes to that, and 2) the projects I had to learn in Flash were rather simplistic, and, if you screw one thing up, the whole ball-o-wax gets screwed up.
 
I hear all your pains my brethren. I'm an app developer - VB.NET and MSSQL. I am practically begging people to stop sending in work requests for ticky-tack crap, and let my team have a few months to stabilize the system on hand. We have been so busy adding extraneous functionality that all we have time to do is patch things as they crop up.

The worst part is we are only internal! One of these days I am going to set an auto reply on our team’s email telling people to bugger off for a quarter, and if they still have a problem to track us down in person. (Which gets really funny since we are an international company and no one really knows where my team is located).

The last joyous addition’s brainstorming went like this: “Hey, let’s make a shopping cart for our item catalog! Yeah, it will be just like amazon! Yeppie! I am so sm4rtz because I thought up the idea! I r0x0rz! I totally pwn those programmers!” Yup, I loved implementing a shopping cart system based on their wonky security. Oh, the only benefit I discerned was the preexisting ‘temporary cart’ would be broken down into smaller, more manageable item groups. Yeah, that was a great idea until someone deleted their shopping cart of over 3,000 items and wanted to know if I could magic it back. Did I mention they clicked through the four pop up warnings, and ignored the radically different “delete cart” icon versus the “delete item” icon.

*sigh* Love the users… Love the users… Love the users… Love the users…
 
modi123 said:
Hahaha.. well here's a nice website designed by some schmuck in the boonies of western nebraska.. he was running for governor.

http://www.mortsullivanforgovernor.com/

1992 called, they want they web designs back.
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Oh. My. Dear. God.

$10 that some soccer mom with AOL made that site. Then again, in 1992, they didn't expect you to have broadband otherwise that page would shit full of tacky MS-Office style GIFs.
 
I always try to steer my clients in the best direction, but sometimes money talks. If you have a big client like the Pfizer saying they want something you know will fail and you've offered your advice over and over, just do what they want. I'd rather keep a large client and their money than lose them and retain my beliefs.
 
movax said:
Oh. My. Dear. God.

$10 that some soccer mom with AOL made that site. Then again, in 1992, they didn't expect you to have broadband otherwise that page would shit full of tacky MS-Office style GIFs.
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I think Mort made it... you know... he's all chalk full of 'can-do' attitude... He probably did it in MS Word. Oh, and the fact this is a 2006 creation date is scary as well.
 
This is a classic debate between content and functionality. There is no easy answer, as it always comes down to managing the expectations of the decision makers (or whoever is signing the checks).

As for that Governor site ... Embarrassing. Absolutely embarrassing. Ignoring the line that reads "meta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft FrontPage 4.0" in the page source, I can only assume that the web designer attended the same school of computers that Ted Stevens went to.

And if you don't get that last comment, check this link out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
 
it also cracks me up when companies want their org charts, executive bios, pictures of their offices, etc prominently displayed on their website. its hard to tell them that their customers don't give a damn about that crap.

visitors to your site want to know, in the following order:
- what are you selling or offering?
- is it something i'm looking for?
- how much does it cost?
- how do i order it?
- who are you?

if you cannot answer the first two questions in less than 5 seconds, you're going to lose potential sales. if you can't answer the next two questions in 30 seconds, you going to lose even more sales.

i do usability studies all the time, and i tell you time and again i see people immediately reach for the "Skip intro" button no matter how fascinating your Flash intro might be. If they can't find that skip intro button, they are gone if it lasts more than 10 seconds.
also, nobody, and i mean nobody gives a shit about your org structure, the smiling face of your CEO or the crappy picture of your office building that takes up half the content on the front page.

finally, boring as it may be, people have come to expect to find certain consistent elements on every site they visit, such as the main nav links clearly visible along the top or sides, vertical scrolling, etc. when you deviate from these accepted norms, you force people to have to re-learn their behaviors just to use your site, not a good first impression.

of course, there are exceptions to every rule, sites that are clearly artistic in purpose, or have a strong multimedia or entertainment focus can get away with vanguard designs and whiz-bang fluff, but for the other 95%, stick with tried and true designs.
 
It's all money, warn them why it's a bad plan, charge them to do it, then charge them again when the realise you weren't lying and they ask you to redo it.
 
well, i can suffer through a lot of things, but this tries my patience.

i connect to this radio station's website to listen to its live Christmas music playlist (yeah, i'm hoaky like that)...

this site makes my laptop's processor fan go at full tilt and becomes barely responsive in a short time under both IE and Firefox.
 
rana said:
I dont understand people....

So I do all of my web design with flash....when I started, the web sites I made sucked horrendous ass....I mean they were just terrible...but now that my brain has developed, I can put toghether some very pleasing sites...

However, people just dont understand simplicity any more. I like making flash websites because you can add a bit more interactivity with them but some of my clients just want to go overboard. They want the biggest highest quality pictures on the site but complain when it loads slow....Then they want wacky animation that makes it look like the website is for toys r us or something....

Apart from that, half these people think that others care about their website....no one gives a rats ass about your damn site...People dont want to be bombarded with dumb music or stupid flash introductions...they just want the damn information quickly and efficiently and if you can present that information in an asthetically pleasing manner...even better...

Sorry, Im just venting....I lost a big contract (which could have potentially propelled by small business to something bigger) because the contractee wanted a damn childish looking carbon copy of another website and I presented them with something else (read better)..... :rolleyes:
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Did you explain the "people want information, not flashy junk" to your client? I am no expert, but I think that your choice may well be a good business decision. If they get the CC website and eventually find out that people despise it, whom are they going to blame? Exactly, the web designer. Of course, this scenario will only happen if they actually find out how much their website sucks.

I am sorry to hear you lost the contract, since I like the attitude that you have towards websites, since it reflects mine. And I am the consumer.
 
maw said:
it also cracks me up when companies want their org charts, executive bios, pictures of their offices, etc prominently displayed on their website. its hard to tell them that their customers don't give a damn about that crap.
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Competitors and investors may. There was plently of the usual AMD-Intel discussion in the usual forums and people were throwing around allegations about which company lost how much money. A quick trip to AMD's financials report website was all that was needed to gather facts.

I think that transparency is an important factor in investment decisions, therefore this type of information needs to be somewhere on a publicly owned company. Where exactly is a different story.
 
nameless_centurian said:
well, i can suffer through a lot of things, but this tries my patience.

i connect to this radio station's website to listen to its live Christmas music playlist (yeah, i'm hoaky like that)...

this site makes my laptop's processor fan go at full tilt and becomes barely responsive in a short time under both IE and Firefox.
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It didn't go much easier for my AMD4000... that is after it finally loaded...
 
nameless_centurian said:
well, i can suffer through a lot of things, but this tries my patience.

i connect to this radio station's website to listen to its live Christmas music playlist (yeah, i'm hoaky like that)...

this site makes my laptop's processor fan go at full tilt and becomes barely responsive in a short time under both IE and Firefox.
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wow! that made my dual-Xeon work machine cry uncle!!
 
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