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Ghosting on 12ms Samsung 710T??

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karnick

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Hi... heres my story with my samsung 710t (http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=MJ17BSABY&selTab=Specifications )

the monitor is for christmas, but I got a chance to test it out to 'make surethere were no dead pixels'... all i basically did was plug the monitor in and run a few games... no dead pixels but i did see some ghosting on this 12ms monitor... now i was just wondering if any of the following factors can affect the ghosting:

The fact that Its the first time it was used
The fact that I just plugged it in without installing drivers
Should it be plugged into DVI/VGA for mimimal ghosting
Does refreshrate (60hz vs 75hz) affect the amount of ghosting
Does constrast and brightness and all that other crap affect the ghosting?
My vid card is a crappy GF4 ti4200

if anyone has any other ideas as to why I may be seeing the ghosting i dont expect it would be greatly appreciated.. thanks!
 
In my experiences the biggest ghosting factor is what interface your using. If you use the VGA your gonna get ghosting and not as crisp as an image. DVI will solve all ghosting woes as well as give everything a super crisp look.
 
DVI/VGA interface has no effect on ghosting whatsoever on that monitor. I tried both and while DVI had slightly crisper image, the response time seemed exactly the same. You see the ghosting because it's there. Some people notice it, some don't. You are one of those unlucky ones I guess ;)
 
Roger said:
DVI/VGA interface has no effect on ghosting whatsoever on that monitor. I tried both and while DVI had slightly crisper image, the response time seemed exactly the same. You see the ghosting because it's there. Some people notice it, some don't. You are one of those unlucky ones I guess ;)
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Thats is most defidently wrong. According to reviews on various Samsung LCDs on www.anandtech.com, comparing the same monitor on VGA vs when using DVI showed much less "ghosting" when using DVI.

This review on the Samsung 172x (a comparable model):
http://anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2072&p=8
Shows on the bottom of page 8 (the link should work) that the same model has almost no streaking with digital while it did with VGA.


ALSO:What stores have the 710T, because I would rather pick it up at a store and test it then buying online, and I am looking into this particular LCD.
 
nikefido said:
Thats is most defidently wrong. According to reviews on various Samsung LCDs on www.anandtech.com, comparing the same monitor on VGA vs when using DVI showed much less "ghosting" when using DVI.

This review on the Samsung 172x (a comparable model):
http://anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2072&p=8
Shows on the bottom of page 8 (the link should work) that the same model has almost no streaking with digital while it did with VGA.
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Depends on your definition of ghosting. Anandtech certainly didn't say the response time of 172X was better with DVI than with VGA. I had the monitor, I tried both and there was very little difference in image quality with DVI but the reponse time was exactly the same.

Also, just because the 710T was the fastest panel that xbitlabs had tested, it doesn't mean there is no ghosting/blurring, whatever you want to call it.
 
Roger said:
Depends on your definition of ghosting. Anandtech certainly didn't say the response time of 172X was better with DVI than with VGA. I had the monitor, I tried both and there was very little difference in image quality with DVI but the reponse time was exactly the same.

Also, just because the 710T was the fastest panel that xbitlabs had tested, it doesn't mean there is no ghosting/blurring, whatever you want to call it.
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Anandtech also belives Response Time has absolutly nothing to do with ghosting. Belive what you will, I was just giving my thoughts on my personal experiences.
 
Raines8416 said:
Anandtech also belives Response Time has absolutly nothing to do with ghosting. Belive what you will, I was just giving my thoughts on my personal experiences.
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Like I said, it all depends of someone's definition of ghosting. Some people refer to severe blurring on LCDs as 'ghosting' while some think of something completely different when they talk about 'ghosting'

If you're thinking of ghosting as faint duplicated images of moving objects on the screen, I don't see how could DVI interface "solve all ghosting woes". I owned and tried many LCDs and I could never see the difference between the two regarding blurring/ghosting.
 
you say it doesnt make a difference, I say it does. i dont think either one of us is going to give in. i guess its just personal preference. maybe someone wouldnt notice a difference but on the same monitor someone else would.
 
i have a 710t and after reading this thread i took my 710t off dvi and put it on anolog and i DID notice a considerable increase in ghosting, i put it back on dvi and didnt see any ghosting.
 
I think you're right with temperautre affecting the timing. I think I read that most companies test their panels at ~78F. I think it was the warmer, the faster. Not positive though, I'm sure someone knows for sure.
 
i would say the warmer the faster.. when you think of what the L in LCD stands for it starts to make sense.. plus, ever leave you cell phone in your car when its cold out, then when you go to turn it on you can actually see ghosting.. i notice it on my head unit in my car when i start it in the morning too...
 
all it means is that ghosting is much less noticable when using DVI vs when using analogue, it doesnt change the response time of the monitor obvioulsy.

The true definition of ghosting is blurring (or other effects) due to interference in the cables running to the monitor. The popular use of "ghosting" (blurry due to high response time) is actually not technically correct, although the same result may occur.
 
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