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Getting around a Packeteer

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zappa86

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Hi. I'm a college student and my school has a packeteer which really slows down the bandwidth. I was wondering about ways to get around such a device if its even possible. (tried googling, but not much) I was wondering if it would be possible to exploit ipv4 fragmenting. By that I mean a way around simple state-less firewalls is to send a small small IP packet with a simple TCP header (which has an allowed pori like 80 or something) that has the more fragments flag set. Then send another IP packet with the real TCP port you want to go to, and under the fragmentation offset have it so it will rewrite the TCP header. This way the firewall has no idea what its going to do and passes the packet. Then at the reassembly buffer the computer will reassamble the packet and pass it up its stack and it will go to the banned port. Or course you have to have the same IP ID number and so on. My idea is that something along this line could be used against a packeteer.
Lets say you send out a very small packet to the server you want to connect to that the packeteer allows, such as as HTTP get request with the more fragments flag set. Then send out a packet to overwrite the dest port and have the more fragments flag set. Then send out another packet with the data you want to send to the server and have the fragmentation offset set to overwrite the data in the tcp part. This way when they get to the server they are reassambled and passed up the stack. Now this way can fail if the packeteer dosent allow fragmentation. It can also fail if the packeteer has a special way it handles fragments such as a little bandwidth. Or it can fail if it is such a smart device that it reassembles packets and really sees whats going on. Now, what I described above will only get data out at a fast rate (this would be usefull for a server type thing). Now if you wanted to get data in well you would have to make sure the server sending you stuff did some sort of fragmentation inorder to get by the packeteer. So by telling the server to send lots of fragments you could get arousd such a device. Does this seem practical, should I spend more time trying this out or drop the idea?
 
Dew said:

Not only that, but if you start pulling that kind of shit at school you are bound to get caught at some point. Your internet connection to your dorm room or whatever is not a right, they can take it away at any point and not give it back. Happened to a buddy of mine. The packeteer is there for a reason. It probably helps to keep the bittorrent and file sharing kids from taking up so much bandwith that you can't surf the web or get to your pr0nz after you get denied by the chick living down the hall.
 
Not to mention it being a respect thing... The network admins have kids ALL OVER the network trying to find holes all day long. That makes his job hard. Hell, there's probably more threats on the INSIDE than there are on the outside of the network. Now you know that box is there for a reason, why be a pain in the ass and attempt to circumvent it and most assuredly get caught and banned from the network. Your only solution in this case is to BUY YOUR OWN DAMN INTERNET CONNECTION. :D
 
if i were on a school network, i would try the same things to find out, but as a network administrator, i want and NEED MY BANDWIDTH. as far as the forum rules, i believe this goes under "how to circumvent school policies." admins, please lock this thread.
 
Don't be a dick and try to muck around with another man's network, learn to live with the bandwidth you are given.

If you aren't happy get cable modem or DSL and pay for it yourself.
 
The packet shaper is there for a reason. Don't try to make your network admins' jobs harder by trying to circumvent it. It will just piss them off and they will probably ban you from the network.
 
jpmkm said:
The packet shaper is there for a reason. Don't try to make your network admins' jobs harder by trying to circumvent it. It will just piss them off and they will probably ban you from the network.

yup, dont piss off your network admins. just watch this
 
yeah. the admins at my school are my friends so you are right, i dont want to piss them off. Sorry for the post since this is not the right place.
 
zappa86 said:
yeah. the admins at my school are my friends so you are right, i dont want to piss them off. Sorry for the post since this is not the right place.

If the admins at school are you friends then why don't you just voice your concern to them? I sometimes help friends at work with special issues.
 
pettybone said:
Would he even have the option to get DSL? Wireless internet would be an option.
Yes he does have the option. On my campus we have the same problem - and we have been told by the local cable company they can bring cable internet into any dorm room.
 
Nate7311 said:
BUY YOUR OWN DAMN INTERNET CONNECTION. :D
This is the best advice in the thread.

It wouldn't have been had someone told you to grow up, but no one did, so we'll just have to go with that.
 
Hey all,
Im on a network with a Packeteer as well...and have worked at another college that had one too....

The ONLY way you could do what you are thinking of doing is by having a node on the other side of the network to recompile the IP packets and reroute the traffic...TCP packets will not just recreate themselves once you get on the other side of the packeteer.

That being said...even doing tunneling on the packeteer is impossible...since it looks at everything in the data packet...not just the header passively.

AND not to mention the amount of overhead and additional traffic you would be creating on your network.

What I do to "get around" the shaper is to have a remote system on something that is wide open...aka my parents house (as lame as that sounds lol). SSH into it, set your bit torrent downloads for Linux to go...and then transfer them to your PC at school either by HTTP or FTP... This is the ONLY way to get around it...no joke! Ive seen the software in action, have played with the rulesets, etc. It doesnt cost a lotta $$ for nothing :p

Yes this is against forum rules...but I thought I would point out the flaws in what he is trying to accomplish...
 
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