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Get Ready for the Next Windows Operating System

I remember how bad XP was at release.
Hell, my neighbor and I beta tested it.
Driver support was a nightmare because MS added an application layer everything had to go through to get to the kernel where it went straight to the kernel before. Hell, a tom of "new" games were still a jumbled mess of 8bit, 16bit and 32 bit code and wouldn't run on XP and many of us weren't giving up 98SE without a fight. XP SP1 is the XP we all love and adored. By the time SP1 came out Nvidia, ATI, Broadcom, AMd, Intel, Via, ect all learned how to write their drivers for the OS and it became a wonderful experience. It became such a great OS that MS couldn't get people off of it when Vista was released (UAC didn't do it any favors along the way).
7 didn't have the run XP did but it was MUCH more refined at its launch than XP.
 
Climber said:
Your post is full of fail. You forgot several versions which throws off these posts, guess it is easier to keep propagating myth rather than fact.
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I think the issue is that when Microsoft makes major changes to a version of Windows relative to the prior version there are always issues. XP had tremendous headwinds at launch that required 2 Service Packs to get right.
 
GORANKAR said:
Love your list, and wish it could be that way. Only problem is that except for 3, 7, 8 and 10, your list would end up with MS in court. Especially in the EU.
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I disagree with 1, 2, and 4 as well. Horrible suggestions tbh.
 
c0re said:
Hey Microsoft, here is 10 ideas you need to put into Windows 9.

1. Dump Windows Media Player, it sucks. Team up with VLC and include that instead.
2. Dump Windows Defender and MSCE. Team up with Avast, include the free version at least.
3. Dump Internet Explorer, it's will always suck, include Google Chome or Pale moon instead.
4. How about a real remote connect application, similar to what TeamViewer offers.
5. How about a real backup program, something on the scale that Acronis True Image offers.
6. A real virtual environment tool, similar to VMWare is needed that would allow someone to run any Windows or Mac os seamlessly side by side.
7. A real way to mount and dismount any image as a virtual machine.
8. Notepad needs a major overall, would be nice to see it have the features Notepad++ does.
9, Include Office Pro with Windows.
10. Allow the end user to remove any component/module of Windows 9 they wish to and replace it with a 3rd party solution.
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how about no to almost all of these.
1. nothing wrong with windows media player. but if you don't like it then don't use it.
2. again nothing wrong with this for people to use for those that want a free program that Microsoft takes care of updates for. if you don't like what is included then get Avast (or something else) on your own
3. nothing wrong with the newest versions of IE, but again if you don't like it then get what you do like
4. there is remote desktop connection and remote assist already included with windows, so you have those features already
5. you can do backups already
6. as pointed out by somebody else hyper-v is already included for that
7. you can mount and dismount vhds, they won't support somebody else's standard that cost them money.
8. stop using notepad then and get a better program on your own
9. this would jack the cost of windows up by a HUGE amount
10. you can pretty much do this now with most things and have been able to for a long time. You can uninstall IE, media player, hyper-v, notepad and other included programs if you want and have always been able to install 3rd party browsers and any other programs.

Overall your list is horrible and would jack the cost up by a large amount. None of that need to be done (excluding features that are already in there)
 
Holy crap, already? Should be interesting to see what this will look like though. Hopefully they don't go the 8 route. They don't have to scrap metro (that would be bad for devs that made apps) but it should be an option that you enable.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Holy crap, already? Should be interesting to see what this will look like though. Hopefully they don't go the 8 route. They don't have to scrap metro (that would be bad for devs that made apps) but it should be an option that you enable.
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A release next year puts it in the right time frame. XP just spoiled people being out so long. they are back to the same release schedule that they had outside of XP.

If you read the article, or any previous article you would have seen that metro is still around, but the apps can run either full screen or as a windowed program in desktop mode. so basically they run like any other program
 
heatlesssun said:
I think the issue is that when Microsoft makes major changes to a version of Windows relative to the prior version there are always issues. XP had tremendous headwinds at launch that required 2 Service Packs to get right.
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Yep, I can't believe that so many people, especially on [H], don't remember how bad 98, XP, and to a certain extent 7 was at release.

Cerulean said:
2014 will be year of Linux!
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Highly doubt this. Not sure why you think Linux is the answer. If you think Windows 8 is difficult to use just imagine trying to get someone to use Linux unless it was extremely dumbed down ala android.
 
blitzkommando said:
Why these features weren't featured in Windows 8 is still baffling to me. In the long run it would have been better for Microsoft to just have delayed what has become Threshold rather than unload Windows 8 and the bad blood that created. That said, I sure hope they can keep on schedule without sacrificing too much as delays would be bad but so would another fouled up product. They need another home run like Windows 7 and not another ME/XP/Vista/8 release mess.
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Good idea then when windows threshold came out there would be no apps developed for it. Just like when vista came out there were no drivers ready and it was crashing. By the time windows 7 comes most of the gains made during the windows vista time in getting drivers ready, stable and good are credited to windows 7 when in reality they were just the result of Vista being mature and working well.

Here is the thing some people say MS has 2 teams, a good team and a bad team but really that isn't right, what MS has is an innovative or ground breaking team, then a clean up or efficiency team. The innovative team pushes new ground, with windows ME it was all the auto updates and shit we now take for granted, with Vista it was a total new underlying OS, and with windows 8 it was a new interface and paradigm for how to make all devices consistent. Then the other team comes in and cleans up the loose ends, fixes up bugs, and most importantly just takes time doing it, in that time the rest of the world does the same, gets used to the new features and quirks. Then the second team gets all the credit for the ground breaking work for the first team did. Take windows 7 what was the killer feature that made it so much better than vista? um TRIM? Pretty much all I can think of I actually wanted.

Luckily for MS both teams work for the same "team" so they may not care so much that team 1 is shitted on by everyone when actually they do all the really important work. Its sort of like the whole rest of a soccer team that sets up a play for the offense to score and only the offense gets credit.
 
c0re said:
Hey Microsoft, here is 10 ideas you need to put into Windows 9.

1. Dump Windows Media Player, it sucks. Team up with VLC and include that instead.
2. Dump Windows Defender and MSCE. Team up with Avast, include the free version at least.
3. Dump Internet Explorer, it's will always suck, include Google Chome or Pale moon instead.
4. How about a real remote connect application, similar to what TeamViewer offers.
5. How about a real backup program, something on the scale that Acronis True Image offers.
6. A real virtual environment tool, similar to VMWare is needed that would allow someone to run any Windows or Mac os seamlessly side by side.
7. A real way to mount and dismount any image as a virtual machine.
8. Notepad needs a major overall, would be nice to see it have the features Notepad++ does.
9, Include Office Pro with Windows.
10. Allow the end user to remove any component/module of Windows 9 they wish to and replace it with a 3rd party solution.
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Can you say antitrust lawsuit?
 
phatbx133 said:
Hope I can get Windows 9 upgrade for 14.99, Just like previous OS.
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Hey, that's what sold me; and since it's at least as smooth as 7 was, with meaningful under-the-hood upgrades, I'm happy with 8.1.

I am disappointed that I can't use memory mapped files when coding a 'metro' app, but considering those need to run on RT tablets, oh well.
 
Motley said:
Glad I stayed away from Windows 8, I guess we'll see what Windows 9 brings, I mean it can't get much worse. And get rid of all that touchscreen crap. Let us use the GODDDDAAAMMM MOUSE!
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But mice are so 1980's, and the keyboard is even older. Why are we using such old technology, we need to phase that out! (this is probably something that was said in a meeting when designing windows 8 :D )
 
rudy said:
Good idea then when windows threshold came out there would be no apps developed for it. Just like when vista came out there were no drivers ready and it was crashing. By the time windows 7 comes most of the gains made during the windows vista time in getting drivers ready, stable and good are credited to windows 7 when in reality they were just the result of Vista being mature and working well.

Here is the thing some people say MS has 2 teams, a good team and a bad team but really that isn't right, what MS has is an innovative or ground breaking team, then a clean up or efficiency team. The innovative team pushes new ground, with windows ME it was all the auto updates and shit we now take for granted, with Vista it was a total new underlying OS, and with windows 8 it was a new interface and paradigm for how to make all devices consistent. Then the other team comes in and cleans up the loose ends, fixes up bugs, and most importantly just takes time doing it, in that time the rest of the world does the same, gets used to the new features and quirks. Then the second team gets all the credit for the ground breaking work for the first team did. Take windows 7 what was the killer feature that made it so much better than vista? um TRIM? Pretty much all I can think of I actually wanted.

Luckily for MS both teams work for the same "team" so they may not care so much that team 1 is shitted on by everyone when actually they do all the really important work. Its sort of like the whole rest of a soccer team that sets up a play for the offense to score and only the offense gets credit.
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If what I had heard around the days of ME was true, those features didn't come from it. Home users jumped over to 2000 when it was released and had issues since it was missing directx and other home features. So since XP was still a ways off Microsoft decided to fill the gap by back porting features they were putting into XP and put them into windows 9X line to create ME as a new windows release to hold people off till they finished XP. Which I also have heard is what caused the issues as the XP code didn't mix well with the 9X code and caused the stability issues. So if that is true, then it isn't so much that ME created these features but that those were features Microsoft wanted to showcase more of less and back ported to the 9X code quickly to "upgrade" 98SE into a new OS to get people to stop trying to use 2000. However SP4 for windows 2000 was also being worked on and solved the issues faster than the thrown together stop gap os did.

Now I do agree about Vista and the driver stuff. Microsoft got smart there and started requiring Vista drivers to work with windows 7 before it was even out. that way once people started to fix Vista drivers that set the stage for 7 to come and have better driver support from the start.
 
Motley said:
Glad I stayed away from Windows 8, I guess we'll see what Windows 9 brings, I mean it can't get much worse. And get rid of all that touchscreen crap. Let us use the GODDDDAAAMMM MOUSE!
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I have windows 8.1 on two computers and use a keyboard and mouse as one is a desktop. So they do let you use the damn mouse. it works just fine.
 
heatlesssun said:
SteamOS will at the end of 2014 run more Steam games than Windows. Guaranteed. Or not.
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lol steamOS and steambox are the most idiotic things that valve have come out with in a while. no ones going to play the diminutive stack of games that work, and give up all their backwards compatibility. if anything they should focus on developing big picture mode and maybe an xbmc-style launcher.
 
cesium666 said:
lol steamOS and steambox are the most idiotic things that valve have come out with in a while. no ones going to play the diminutive stack of games that work, and give up all their backwards compatibility. if anything they should focus on developing big picture mode and maybe an xbmc-style launcher.
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"No one's going to run Android."

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heatlesssun said:
No one is going to run desktop Linux. We can trade irrelevant barbs forever. Though my barb is somewhat more relevant to SteamOS than yours.
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I'm sure this has something to do with something.
 
heatlesssun said:
I'm sure your first post had nothing to do with anything as usual. Except perhaps a personal insult.
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I have no idea why you're even posting or what its about. I responded to a guy saying "no one will ever run SteamOS" with an analog about the same stuff I heard about the first Android phone when it came out.

Stop assuming everything is about you and everything is about Windows.
 
Windows 8 and 8.1 with Start8 works just like Windows 7. My only real gripe is the total lack of a safe mode option - unless you let it BSOD over and over again, or just get really lucky on spamming F8.
 
cesium666 said:
lol steamOS and steambox are the most idiotic things that valve have come out with in a while. no ones going to play the diminutive stack of games that work, and give up all their backwards compatibility. if anything they should focus on developing big picture mode and maybe an xbmc-style launcher.
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Using Mint 16 daily, I can tell you that Linux works fine. It's for Power Users at the moment. I wouldn't give Linux to someone who plays games and is computer illiterate. But a Power User can install Wine and get backwards compatibility with Windows games. Once they get that damned D3D patch into Wine then games will run almost identical to Windows in performance.
 
Real question is, how are they going to make money with this new business model? There is really no real reason to switch from Win8 for example, so if they keep churning out a new OS every 2 years no one is going to buy it
 
Igroock said:
Real question is, how are they going to make money with this new business model? There is really no real reason to switch from Win8 for example, so if they keep churning out a new OS every 2 years no one is going to buy it
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It's their core business, so they're going to try. Even though all around them the OS business has changed. Apple gives away iOS updates, and Android is free. Desktop Linux is free, so there's really nothing they can do but give it away for free. But this being Microsoft, free isn't something they comprehend.

Apple relies on iOS hardware sales, and not the OS. Google collects user info for advertisements, and not the OS itself. Linux is just free. So Microsoft is the only OS company that makes and OS to profit from its sales.
 
Motley said:
Also, they need to seperate mobile OS from Desktops OS.
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heatlesssun said:
But this really doesn't seem to be what the market is saying about Windows tablets. The #1 criticisms of Windows RT the OS is that it doesn't run x86 desktop applications. Indeed virtually all OEMs have dropped Windows RT devices and these new Bay Trail tablets seem to be a hit and one the big reasons mentioned by many for that is because these Bay Trail devices are x86 compatible.

Whatever the complaints and issues with Windows 8 the concept of devices capable of running both tablet and desktop oriented software looks to be well received and when the hardware is good and cheap enough to do it that hardware is getting pretty high marks.
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Its almost like you didn't even read what he wrote and jumped straight to Windows White Knight mode...

Its sad that I have to point out that a tablet interface is going to be well received on....wait for it.... TABLETS. What Motley pointed out was they need to not have the same OS on PC's as they do on mobile devices, you know, peoples biggest gripe about Win8? Windows RT tablets also got dropped because they ran "windows," without actually being able to run any windows programs, kind of fucking pointless don't you think?
 
Igroock said:
Real question is, how are they going to make money with this new business model? There is really no real reason to switch from Win8 for example, so if they keep churning out a new OS every 2 years no one is going to buy it
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New business model? This is what MS has done all along, outside of XP of course. A new OS every 3 years or so. People got to used to XP and the long run it had and seem to have forgotten that it's not the norm for MS to run an OS for that long before they put out a new one. They are just going back to their normal routine now.
 
Igroock said:
Real question is, how are they going to make money with this new business model? There is really no real reason to switch from Win8 for example, so if they keep churning out a new OS every 2 years no one is going to buy it
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Most people do not upgrade windows, they buy it with a device. The real point of the new model is not to force people to upgrade all the time it is to prevent something like windows XP from happening again where people get so entrenched into a single OS you cannot get people to move to the new OS. This is the same reason MS made office.
 
Teenyman45 said:
I have hated M$'s naming convention for a very long time. 1) Win 1.0; 2) Win 2.0; 3) Win 3.0; 4) Win 95; 5) Win 98; 6) Me/2K; 7) XP; 8) Vista; 9) Windows 7; and 10) Windows 8.0.

Seriously, is Balmer that bad at counting?!

I may switch from Win 7 (the ninth iteration of consumer windows) if there is a pure desktop non-touchscreen mode.
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left out 2K was part of the NT line
Me was the last of the DOS based windows
XP was the first consumer OS based on the NT kernel
so more like
1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, Me
NT, NT4, 2k, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 9
 
SGA76 said:
XP SP1 is the XP we all love and adored
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I think you mean SP2. There wasn't much to write home about in SP1 (in fact, Microsoft disabled features like allowing more than 3.25GB of RAM with XP SP1).
 
Sovereign said:
Windows OSes are starting to remind me of the axiom about Star Trek movies...

Windows XP: Good
Windows Vista: Bad
Windows 7: Good
Windows 8: Bad
Windows 9: Good?
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Vista was good after sp1 though. Very similar to windows 7. Windows 8.1 on the other hand... not much changed.

I'm hoping windows 9 is in a similar direction to what windows 7 was. To me windows 7 is the best OS for a PC.
 
Terminus said:
It's code-named Threshold because it is the version of the kernel and UI that will run on all desktops, tablets, Windows Phone, and the Xbox One

I'd make deals to have it embedded into TVs too instead of that garbage Samsung and the rest of the TV manufacturers are passing off as "Smart"
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Yep that sounds good. Who wouldn't want their TV sets full of malware and hackers looking through the built in user monitors in current and future tv sets.

I'll pass thanks.
 
c0re said:
Hey Microsoft, here is 10 ideas you need to put into Windows 9.

1. Dump Windows Media Player, it sucks. Team up with VLC and include that instead.
2. Dump Windows Defender and MSCE. Team up with Avast, include the free version at least.
3. Dump Internet Explorer, it's will always suck, include Google Chome or Pale moon instead.
4. How about a real remote connect application, similar to what TeamViewer offers.
5. How about a real backup program, something on the scale that Acronis True Image offers.
6. A real virtual environment tool, similar to VMWare is needed that would allow someone to run any Windows or Mac os seamlessly side by side.
7. A real way to mount and dismount any image as a virtual machine.
8. Notepad needs a major overall, would be nice to see it have the features Notepad++ does.
9, Include Office Pro with Windows.
10. Allow the end user to remove any component/module of Windows 9 they wish to and replace it with a 3rd party solution.
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You lost me at include VLC.
 
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