Nobu
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I know, I was just letting you know that you can use them, and who I heard it from.I meant linus tech tips
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I know, I was just letting you know that you can use them, and who I heard it from.I meant linus tech tips
Horribly overpriced, not worth it.
35%-40% @ 4K is hardly “incremental”, not to mention what DLSS will bring..
Incremental is Intel. And they got around that by adding cores.
Horribly overpriced, not worth it.
That 30% on average increase over the GTX 1080 Ti just isn't worth the price, nor does it justify the insane pricing. If you want either a RTX 2080 or a 1080 Ti, probably wiser to get a 1080 Ti at this point, more VRAM and cheaper. That 8GB VRAM buffer for the RTX 2080 is rather unattractive at that price point.
Yup. And I've seen games use more than 8GB at 2K resolution. Like the COD Blackout beta was using around 9.5 GB. So, that may very well be the reason the 1080Ti is beating the 2080 in some games.
Well, it is the fastest gaming video card out there right now
So was the 980ti at 649
So was the 1080ti at 699
I think the big thing is there is just no more space for a larger die. Because of that, nvidia simply can't release a titan version of their current line, so they increased the price to compensate. If the die is small enough with the next shrink, then we might see lower prices and a new Titan, but I'm not holding my breath.Yes it is the fastest gaming card out there.
So was the 980ti at 649
So was the 1080ti at 699
The jump to 1200 is Titan territory and not “gaming “ card prices and is unprecedented for gaming cards. That’s where the hate comes from.
Yes the 2080ti is a compute/gaming card but the price hike is too much.
Still if you want the best single 4K card right now this is it. Pony up I guess.
Sticking to 1440p and 500 dollar or less cards for a while yet myself.
I think the big thing is there is just no more space for a larger die. Because of that, nvidia simply can't release a titan version of their current line, so they increased the price to compensate. If the die is small enough with the next shrink, then we might see lower prices and a new Titan, but I'm not holding my breath.
Actually, if you look at it historically by performance increase,Sooo...
2080 = 1080TI
2080TI = 1080TI + 30%
This would be great...if the 2080 and 2080TI were $500 and $700, respectively. But they aren't, and it isn't.
Actually, if you look at it historically by performance increase,
2080 = 1070
2080 Ti = 1080
New Series listing will = 1080 TI
They just accelerated the naming scheme to make it look like the TI series is the top tier card......I suspect a "better performance" card announcement in a few months. They typically release the TI edition a little bit after the initial release of the new series.
They are just pulling a marketing stunt.
Price is far overblown to be honest......looking at Guru of 3d review the TI series is faster in most games, and the 2080 matches the 1080 TI in performance in a lot of instances......so the price increase for the 2080 isn't really warranted for a upgrade from a TI especially when its such and large price increase.
I'm not saying a new die change but, they will overclock or tweak something to get another iteration in there. I can't see them changing from what they have done for the past 5 years. Even if this is the case and you are correct. It still doesn't warrant a 300$ increase over price of the last gen cards. They are probably wanted to clear out the old inventory of 10xx series so the prices are inflated.....i know if i were about to get a new card i'd just buy the last gen cards because i'd save money and get nearly the same performance, 2080 to 1080 TI.unfortunately, no. Look at the die size and compare it to the Quaddro. This is pretty much it.
In the current market.? Yes at or near 500 on a good used 1080ti all day.
New AIB 1080s and Vega64s are that much.
1080ti is a nice bump in performance for the same price so.
We get caught up on historical pricing but that's irrelevant to what it actually costs to make a part in the here and now. I'm sure nVidia understood that there was going to a lot of negative reaction to RTX 20x0 pricing. When it comes to the 2080 Ti at least, I doubt nVidia can make a ton of them and would never been able to keep up with demand at a $700 price point if that's even possible.
I agree that Turing is more expensive to produce and obviously RnD baked in on the new tech. But Nvidia in command of the market is going to push pricing to the absolute break point of what the market will bear. They can afford fewer sales with a high margin. The only competition is their own previous gen so no lost sales at all really.
I get it. Shareholders to appease but for me they are reaching here. They have margin to give. But why give up profits? If they want the world to embrace the RT and all the other new tech in Turing the price should be lower.
Once games actually exist for this hardware maybe then they get price adjusted. Or the market accepts these huge price jumps and pays up going forward.
Oh and for the record, buying an 18 month old 1080Ti is stupid. Your options are
1) Wait for the [H] review then either...
2) Wait 2 years for the next generation.
3) Buy a 2080 or 2080 Ti and hope you get the value of it over the next 2 years.
Oh and for the record, buying an 18 month old 1080Ti is stupid. Your options are
1) Wait for the [H] review then either...
2) Wait 2 years for the next generation.
3) Buy a 2080 or 2080 Ti and hope you get the value of it over the next 2 years.
To be clear, I am saying it is stupid to buy a 1080Ti right now (and was a great purchase 18 months ago). This is because the potential performance improvement of DLSS if you run AA on in any of the games you play.I have been, and continue to be, quite happy with my "stupid" purchase. Nothing I've seen from these cards has made me think that buying it was a bad idea.
It's nice that they provide such a list. I am interested in one, maybe 2 of those titles. If you're playing sub 4k (like I am) and aren't looking forward to a lot of those titles, the 1080 ti still makes a lot of sense. I bought mine 10 months ago and do not regret it.To be clear, I am saying it is stupid to buy a 1080Ti right now (and was a great purchase 18 months ago). This is because the potential performance improvement of DLSS if you run AA on in any of the games you play.
The games slated for DLSS are here.
The question is when, not if. Buying a 1080Ti will get you a few months of fun and then regret when DLSS is supported in one of the games that you play.
Of course, this is assuming DLSS works as advertised, which is why I say "buy 2080 and hope"
To be clear, I am saying it is stupid to buy a 1080Ti right now (and was a great purchase 18 months ago). This is because the potential performance improvement of DLSS if you run AA on in any of the games you play.
The games slated for DLSS are here.
The question is when, not if. Buying a 1080Ti will get you a few months of fun and then regret when DLSS is supported in one of the games that you play.
Of course, this is assuming DLSS works as advertised, which is why I say "buy 2080 and hope"
It's nice that they provide such a list. I am interested in one, maybe 2 of those titles. If you're playing sub 4k (like I am) and aren't looking forward to a lot of those titles, the 1080 ti still makes a lot of sense. I bought mine 10 months ago and do not regret it.
It's a hard call to spend the very high prices they have listed here for potentially a better experience, when you can save hundreds of dollars to get excellent performance right now.
I firmly believe we are at least one generation away from raytracing's performance hit being acceptable. Anyone looking to save the money here would also seriously consider a used 1080 ti, especially with this lineup. I don't buy the whole we need to sell old 10 series stock that some people have talked about, but I will admit I was thinking of used price value since there will likely be a lot more on the market with the 20 series release. We've also reached a large enough cost that it's difficult to justify the 2080 at all with the 2080 Ti right there only a few hundred more, for almost acceptable raytracing performance.The price delta between a 2080 and a new 1080 Ti isn’t hundreds of dollars though... it’s about $100:
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080ti/
Now the questions turns into “Do I want to spend an extra $100 for the potentially huge upsides RTX tech will bring?” For a lot of people, that answer will be yes.
The price delta between a 2080 and a new 1080 Ti isn’t hundreds of dollars though... it’s about $100:
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080ti/
Now the questions turns into “Do I want to spend an extra $100 for the potentially huge upsides RTX tech will bring?” For a lot of people, that answer will be yes.
Exactly. If you already have a 1080Ti. Great, you should not buy a 2080. However, if you have something lesser like a 1080 then buying a 2080 is a no brainer to me unless you can get a 1080Ti used for much cheaper.The price delta between a 2080 and a new 1080 Ti isn’t hundreds of dollars though... it’s about $100:
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080ti/
Now the questions turns into “Do I want to spend an extra $100 for the potentially huge upsides RTX tech will bring?” For a lot of people, that answer will be yes.
Note that I have a 1080 and I'm on the fence. I can easily afford the 2080Ti but I game at 1440p right now.
It isn't undeveloped tech, it is a chicken and egg problem. Games won't support anything until hardware does and hardware won't support anything until games do. Someone has to go first and buyers decide whether it sticks. Given that everything is out of stock, this will stick.Wouldn’t pay $100 for underdeveloped tech that may or may not catch on. And if it does catch on, I’d want to go with the more refined 2nd generation.
Which is why I will likely get one lol.The 2080 Ti will kick the nuts out of that 1080 even at 1440p though not cost effectively.